Started by GSOgymrat, December 10, 2018, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 13, 2018, 03:35:10 PMAnd that worries me because we're a secular state, not a Christian one. If our objection to Islamism is merely that it's the wrong religion, we have already lost.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 13, 2018, 10:33:41 PMhttps://youtu.be/cuOfs7IRh5Q
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 13, 2018, 11:35:55 PMI mostly agree, but I'd like to play devil's advocate and come at this from a polar opposite position and see which claim is stronger. So forgive anything that seems excessively harsh."we are the first mass-scale, religiously diverse democracy"Were we really that religiously diverse? There weren't official censuses on that until relatively recently, but I'm pretty confident that in the 1700s, the US was almost entirely Christian (and specifically Protestant) with a small Catholic population and an even smaller Jewish population and a light dusting of everything else. If you cut hairs enough and get down to the nitty-gritty of Anabaptists and Baptists and Presbyterians and Seventh Day Adventists, then yeah, it was a "diverse" landscape, but not really diverse.And yeah, the US was IIRC first to the party with a "diverse" democracy/republic, but lots of other countries followed suit (Canada, Australia, UK, France, India, etc) so that's no longer our selling point. That's like bragging about doing something before it was cool. No one cares about that!"low levels of prejudice"Ehhh...there was that whole thing about state religions and witch trials and making laws against atheists holding office. And that's just religious prejudice. If you want to expand it out to racial prejudice, we would be here all night."respect for different identity communities"Ehhh...Also, I'm pretty sure the native Americans wouldn't agree with that. Or Catholics. Or Jews.I don't really disagree with his spiel about the Founders. If anything, that just highlights how progressive they were in comparison to other people of the time."I think about it as a potluck nation [preferring the cultural mosaic idea over the melting pot idea]"I mean, that's partially true, but Americanization strikes fast and hard. Shiranu can back me up on this. It's like 3-4 generations from 100% non-assimilated to 100% assimilated. (Amerika ist wunderbar!) I mean, just listen to guy on the video. He has that generic American reporter accent. Tell me that's what his great-grandfather sounded like. Sure, some cultural practices stick around for a long time, but there's a huge cultural shift in not a very long time at all.To go totally off-track, the real thing that binds Americans together is capitalism. Black, white, Jewish, Protestant, Wiccans, whatever - we all hit up the local Walmart, order some burgers at McDonalds, chug some Coke, watch the latest Game of Thrones episode, crank up Bohemian Rhapsody, etc. We have strong cultural ties, mostly through crass commercialism and mass entertainment. And that works to pave over a lot of differences between us. Mostly.That video is mostly correct but only gives part of the picture - it glosses over a LOT of really horrible stuff from our past to push this liberal "we love diversity!" narrative. Yeah, that's true now (sort of). But it's definitely not nearly as universal or as strong a sentiment as he's leading us to believe.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 14, 2018, 01:57:14 PMAmerica aspires to an ideal, but has never achieved it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2018, 01:36:30 PMWell, let's just hope we can continue dodging those damned alligators, and you're right, we might make it. But the 'gators keep coming up from the sewers...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 21, 2018, 09:38:33 AMI try and that is all any of us can do.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 21, 2018, 02:31:24 PMDon't let Yoda hear you say that!LOL
Quote from: Cavebear on December 21, 2018, 02:34:30 PMOK. OK. "The try all is what can do I"...Hey speaking of which, how do the Star Wars characters relate to us?