The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA

[Cavebear]

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.807160

Apparently I'm not the only one. Where do you get this only left does just peaceful protest from?

The neo-Nazis came equipped with guns, shields, torches and helmets and attacked the police.  The counter-protesters came equipped with none of those and came to just BOO!

There IS a difference. 

You wanna come across as some balls-ass norse demi-god, go ahead.  No skin off MY nose.  But don't ignore the differences between the thugs and the onlookers.

[Mike Cl]

I' have to advise you that the Nazis were a socialist State.  Socialist in the sense that all industry was held by private individuals but completely controlled by the State (much as Russia is now, BTW)

"NAZI stands for der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei â€" in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party.  All production was given to the State, which took all that was needed, and gave the State goods to the workers as they needed.  Sound familiar?

I'm sorry to have to tell you that.  I thought you knew.  One of the problems with being a Political Science major is that you have to do a lot of national case studies.  And sometimes you realize really strange things.

In a sense, okay.  Socialism was in the name of the Nazi party.  I knew that.  But it seems to me that the Nazi's were organized around race whereas socialism is usually based around class. 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

OK, they either came from Polynesia via the Pacific coastline or across the northern Atlantic along the ice shelf.  They didn't first come across the Bering land mass.

You were there?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I' have to advise you that the Nazis were a socialist State.  Socialist in the sense that all industry was held by private individuals but completely controlled by the State (much as Russia is now, BTW)

"NAZI stands for der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei â€" in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party.  All production was given to the State, which took all that was needed, and gave the State goods to the workers as they needed.  Sound familiar?

I'm sorry to have to tell you that.  I thought you knew.  One of the problems with being a Political Science major is that you have to do a lot of national case studies.  And sometimes you realize really strange things.

The National Socialists were statists, not socialists. Everything was for the good of the state, not the people. "Socialist" was added to the party name in the hope of confusing left-leaning people.

[Baruch]

The neo-Nazis came equipped with guns, shields, torches and helmets and attacked the police.  The counter-protesters came equipped with none of those and came to just BOO!

There IS a difference. 

You wanna come across as some balls-ass norse demi-god, go ahead.  No skin off MY nose.  But don't ignore the differences between the thugs and the onlookers.

Thugs are bad.  But with anti-Fa .. they are violent ... doesn't matter if they only have fists, or AK-47s.  I get the impression that anti-Fa was present.  Also paid protestors ($25 per person) were bussed in by Soros ... again.  If the Left were all pacifists ... I would laugh them off, because they will be as politically significant as Esperantists.

[randomvim]

The situation was trickier than you assume.  It seems that more Native Americans died of diseases the Europeans didn't even know they had than were ever killed directly.

That being said, the incoming Europeans were often brutal thugs who never considered treaties worth enforcing. treated Native Americans horridly, took advantage of the tribal structure, and even took steps to reduce their numbers. 

Americans of European origin have 2 shames...treatment of Native Americans and Black slavery.  I could say "I wasn't there then", but had I been raised then, I probably would have been the same.

I have no shame for that. not only did none of my ancestors partake in that, but not every single white person during that time period  treated natives like crud.

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[Baruch]

I have no shame for that. not only did none of my ancestors partake in that, but not every single white person during that time period  treated natives like crud.

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Notice how anti-racists, still think in collectivist terms.  All Native Americans, all Illegal Immigrants (what pioneers were).  I don't support racism, but I find collectivism just as bigoted.  The OP though is about statues of specific individuals.  That ennui doesn't necessarily extend to their contemporaries they associated with ... except guilt by association, which is also something SJWs seem high on ... and racists.

[Sorginak]

All Baruch's. 

[Baruch]

All Baruch's.

Well I can tell you that life isn't all blessings (baruchah).

[Sorginak]

Well I can tell you that life isn't all blessings (baruchah).

I already knew that.  Curse you.

[Munch]

The neo-Nazis came equipped with guns, shields, torches and helmets and attacked the police.  The counter-protesters came equipped with none of those and came to just BOO!

There IS a difference. 

You wanna come across as some balls-ass norse demi-god, go ahead.  No skin off MY nose.  But don't ignore the differences between the thugs and the onlookers.

They didn't come just to boo, they came with more primitive weapons and attacked in kind. There was nothing peaceful about any of that, and both sides attacked each other.

Also, I'm not just talking about this incident solely, I'm thinking of the broader sense of everything happening around this. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows the extremism of the far right, supporting racism, bigotry, slavery. However in the modern day western culture, these practices are not supported and are against the law, making this skinhead protest from neo nazis just a fringe group of bigots attacking out of protest from having one of their heroes statues torn down.
They are a fringe, a smaller group of bigots. They are easily dealt with. But they are far less scary then what Antifa and all its associated groups represent in the grand scheme of things. Antifa for all his rosey outset, represents its own level of fascism in how it goes against freedom of speech, and its just a growing constant now in western countries to shut down freedom of speech because its against your own beliefs with violence.

Antifa, Feminazis, BLM, its all the same shit, people who don't care for someones right to speak, thats more terrifying then any loud mouthed bigot group that would be cut down by the law of the land.




I'd sooner have a bigots right to spout his crappy bigoted words, then live in a world where just saying or thinking the 'wrong thought' gets you arrested. There is a place like that, its called north korea.

[randomvim]

Nazis are NOT socialist.  From Wiki--The National Socialist Program, adopted in 1920, called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries. In Mein Kampf, written in 1924, Hitler outlined the antisemitism and anti-communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for parliamentary democracy and his belief in Germany’s right to territorial expansion.

Hitler's deepest hatred was not for the Jews--but communism and socialism.  He blamed the Reichstag's fire not on Jews, but on Communists and socialists.    Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum.

stalin and other communist leaders abroad have killed thousands of socialiats and fellow communists.

having a changed idea to how things are done does not change socialist views. internal fighting does not prevent a system from being socialist.

2. considering a true political scale, yes ... nazis are on the left. as the far-right is NO govt.

https://youtu.be/ODJfwa9XKZQ

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[Gawdzilla Sama]

If someone, from the hard right, says we should keep these statues, ask them if a two hundred foot tall FSM statue on government property and maintained by THEIR tax dollars would be okay with them? You'll see selectivity in action very quickly.

[randomvim]

The intent of statues is to honor the individuals for what they accomplished.  I can't see how honoring a traitor is appropriate.  What Lee did before or after the speaks to him as an individual.  But his statues aren't depicting him as a proper young Federal Officer or President of a College. 

His statues are of him as a military leader fighting to support slavery (as declared explicitly in most of the Confederate State constitutions) and as a traitor to his Government and Country.  Those must all be removed.

thats the thing. everyone today is looking at the past with eyes of thw present. except today we say, " united states is" instead of "united states are." thats due in thanks, unfortuantely, civil war.

every state was considered its own country, in a way. loyalties were to ones state, because that was your nation.

generals had upmost respect for each other, though some may not be included in this list, because they recognized one another as fullfilling their duties as soldiers acording to where loyalty lied. echoing social differences between the states in terms of vision/consideration as to what federal govt. is.

letters involving lee and others involving lee's refusal to side with union.

personally I think observation of Lee should be during his time with the most conflict he experienced during his life. His actions during war conflicted him up to his years as President of a college. that lesson is for us to learn from.

However I can see and understand your consideration to have the man honored after turmoil as a respected individual. if such a form exists. many pertain idea he remained ville till death. I do not.


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[Cavebear]

Look, I'm sorry if I am stepping on any "socialist" toes here but socialism is when the government controls the means of production.  The German nation, under the Nazis, had de facto control over all national means of production.  Why are you getting bent out of shape about this?  I don't even consider it a serious matter. 

Of course the Nazis were Statist, so were the Soviet communists and so is modern Russia.  A nation can be both without any logical problem.