Started by Absurd Atheist, April 22, 2017, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Baruch on May 18, 2017, 03:59:33 AMRight, but I didn't know how to get past your irrational hatreds.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on May 18, 2017, 09:00:02 AMBut how can nature be both everything and nothing, as per your words?Is that not illogic?Sent from my Alcatel_6055U using Tapatalk
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2017, 09:20:35 AMAre we both reading English?? Could you point out 'my words' that says that?
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2017, 09:18:46 AMThat's the problem. Those 'irrational fears' are not mine but yours.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on May 18, 2017, 10:37:35 AMI recall you recently saying that everything is nature.I recall you more recently saying that nature is not anything.Sent from my Alcatel_6055U using Tapatalk
Quote from: Baruch on May 18, 2017, 01:13:27 PMThen David Duke is a good candidate for you to vote for? ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 18, 2017, 01:19:45 PMI think he means the first ... but that nature doesn't exist or not exist, it is what is. Exist/not-exist is a dichotomy he considers irrelevant. So for you, for something to be anything, does existence matter? I think this question is mere semantics, not substance. I think he is a "hard empiricist" ... the fact that a fiction exists, is non-existence to him, because it is self contradictory? My hand exists, but my ideas about my hand (that it proves G-d) don't exist. A Medieval turn in theology, discarded, was extreme nominalism, that names are "flatus vocis" ... mere flatulence ... compared to the things they signify. So fiction, which is all words, is a whole lot of flatulence.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominalism
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2017, 01:28:35 PMWhat do you think.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2017, 01:34:57 PMNature is what is. What you see is what you get. The significance of anything--including you--is determined by you and you alone. Nature is the set of laws (or processes if you prefer) that creates this universe and all that is in it. I don't recall saying nature is not anything. Nature is everything--all that is is natural. Therefore, nothing exists that is unnatural or supernatural. If it exists, it is natural and of nature. Nature is not a being, it is not a creature, it does not live; it is a set of processes. So, Pops, when I tell you god is a fiction, I simply mean that since god does not exist, god cannot be. Nothing can transcend nature.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on May 18, 2017, 07:03:22 PMThat's a hell of a leap of faith.Sent from my Alcatel_6055U using Tapatalk
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2017, 08:27:04 PMThere is not a drop of faith involved.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on May 18, 2017, 08:58:14 PMYou base GOD not existing on the fact that YOU cannot observe IT in nature.Doing so is basically to say that existence as a whole is only comprised of what you can wrap your head around...your right; that doesn't take faith.You now say nature is the laws that bind, but what is causal to the laws? Nature?I'm done; you are going in illogical circles of repeat thought and thinking it to be some superior critical conclusion of all thought when it is based on partiality.Sent from my Alcatel_6055U using Tapatalk
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2017, 09:55:44 PMYou were done before you started. Your stupidly held beliefs are just that--beliefs. The only foundations that exist for them are in your own head and nowhere else. You want to live a fiction--go ahead and do so, I don't give a shit. You are simply irreparably ignorant.