Goddidit Vs Naturedidit

[Baruch]

Why; based on the shortness of my response, would you posit that I may have an issue with my mother or father?



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Did I mention your nick?

[SGOS]

This thread, if I understand correctly (which Drew will deny), is that atheists claim that it's naturalistic forces all the way down.  This is a straw man, as anyone who has been in this forum for very long has heard over and over again that if it were somehow proven that a god did it, they would believe in a god.  Atheists, do believe in naturalistic causes, no question about it, and I do too, and for good reason, because natural things can be observed.  They do exist, and they interact with other natural things, and their causal effects can be observed.  The wind blows and the trees bend.

This does not eliminate a God, but it hardly requires an unseen hand to be injected into the process either.  If a god were proven to exist, then it would be included in the list of natural and real things, and it would be added to our scientific knowledge base, but would Drew accept that then?  Or would he demand more?  Would he say we still don't see the big picture?

Call me guilty as charged.  I do not see the big picture, because well, the picture is bigger than the entire sum of what humanity knows, and I know but a dribble of what humanity knows.  But I resist waving my arms about and filling in the gaps of ignorance with my favorite colors.

[Sorginak]

But I resist waving my arms about and filling in the gaps of ignorance with my favorite colors.

Theists are impatient and want the readily available, comforting answer with which religion provides them. 

[Sargon The Grape]

Hey Drew, were you planning on answering my thread anytime soon?

[trdsf]

They'll have better luck when they treat infinity as a quality rather than quantity.

Which infinity? There's more than one kind.

[aitm]

Well....Let's see....Do you care about the things you do? How bout your work? Do you give a shit about that? What of your mother? She helped to form you. Does/ did she care about you?
Have you ever accomplished anything? Did you care about whatever it was in order to accomplish it?

Get your head out of your ass please.

so in short, no, you don't have any evidence that the "creative forces" cares. Good job, very impressive....indeedy. You B da man! I am sure you have them sunday school kids a quakin in fear of your evi"dance".

[aitm]

To be even more quippy, a universe is God flipped inside out....naturally. ;)

so....to a little more pointed....your god... is not a real god...as most humans define a god. Your god is more of a universal force...a kind of a spiritual ephemera....where with a good deal of patience and mental masturbation, you can wield a light saber and fight off a dozen storm troopers. How cool is that!

[trdsf]

To be even more quippy, a universe is God flipped inside out....naturally. ;)

'god' inside out would be 'ogdo', and I don't think I want to live in a thirteen-point-eight billion lightyear radius ogdo.

[Ananta Shesha]

@Ananta Shesha
In my experience, "Goddidit" is usually used to imply some kind of intent on the part of God. There is usually an implication that God purposefully arranged for the universe to be created and provided the impetus for its cause. If it were not for some kind of will on God's part for the universe to come into being, then there would be no universe. This is not what you are describing in your posts. You're describing "Naturedidit" without the explanation, and replacing "Nature" with "God."

There does not need to be intent if the symmetry breaking vibration was either the shock or expression of self recognition/existence.

God spoke its own name and that resulted in procreation/ the metaverse.

[Ananta Shesha]

Which infinity? There's more than one kind.

A substantial infinite. Absolute matter taking up 100% of available space forever in all directions.   Keep in mind that atoms are 99.99999999% empty space. There is very very little actual matter to an atom.

With this consideration there can be no other infinity.  It is one, and there is no nothing.

[popsthebuilder]

so in short, no, you don't have any evidence that the "creative forces" cares. Good job, very impressive....indeedy. You B da man! I am sure you have them sunday school kids a quakin in fear of your evi"dance".

Nope, no proof. Just common sense. The vastness of the observable universe coupled with our seeming unique ability for life, and potential as a whole, including earth, is quite telling to me. Why would we be formed with such uniqueness​ and potential if what formed us didn't care about it's creation or the energy it used to form it? If we where so absolutely insignificant, then why are we so unique in terms of life as we know it within the observable universe, and why can we observe and fathom our exponential potential as a whole, be it good or bad​?



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[Ananta Shesha]

so....to a little more pointed....your god... is not a real god...as most humans define a god. Your god is more of a universal force...a kind of a spiritual ephemera....where with a good deal of patience and mental masturbation, you can wield a light saber and fight off a dozen storm troopers. How cool is that!

How many ancient ideas of god are you famiar with? You'll find the idea of an original infinite undifferentiated substance rife throughout ancient religions and sciences.

Sounds like you'd make a good performance artist! ;)

[Ananta Shesha]

'god' inside out would be 'ogdo', and I don't think I want to live in a thirteen-point-eight billion lightyear radius ogdo.

Surely you aren't confusing the visible universe for the total universe…?

[Baruch]

so....to a little more pointed....your god... is not a real god...as most humans define a god. Your god is more of a universal force...a kind of a spiritual ephemera....where with a good deal of patience and mental masturbation, you can wield a light saber and fight off a dozen storm troopers. How cool is that!

Westerners assume that the Western religion they are familiar with, are the only religions.  Parochialism.

[Baruch]

'god' inside out would be 'ogdo', and I don't think I want to live in a thirteen-point-eight billion lightyear radius ogdo.

It does explain why people are such turds though ... we are in G-d's intestinal tract ;-)