Theist:Why do you think God does not exist what are your reasons?

[Mr.Obvious]

I have already proven you that God exists on page one.

No, you really haven't. I know you think you do. But no.

And again. Please go make an intro-thread. Strictly speaking, this thread shouldn't have been made (yet) if you were to follow the rules.

[Mike Cl]

Ultimately, there is nothing inherently different between an atheist or a non- Christian with religious beliefs. We theists can definitely address your concerns and arguments but only the Holy Spirit can save (John 15:26, 16:8, 13-15). God always get the glory. We are only His instrument for evangelism. If you rejects what I say, you are not rejecting me or the strength of your counter argument. Rather you are rejecting the One who sends me.

God bless.

John, are you on an assignment or something?  Were you sent to troll this site as a requirement of some sort; are you earning savior points or something?  So, who the fuck is sending you?  This One???  Oh yeah, that One god.  Not the others, but the one.  Since only the holy spit can save, I hope he is saving Green Stamps, for I can't use Blue Chip Stamps. 

John, look into a mirror--you see that reflection?  As kindly as I can put it, you are seeing an idiot; a gullible, stupid, vapid, thoughtless, blind person of belief.  Have you ever had a thought in your life; and I don't mean a belief, for you are riddled with them.  A thought--they are good for the soul--which does not exist either, but you know what I mean. 

[Solomon Zorn]

Excuse me for my misspelling as I am from Asia and I am not very familiar with English, If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves whom you will serve  either yourself or the Lord your God. You are still not accepting God because you are continuing to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, Romans 1:18 also you are spinning my points around, very clever, but remember you will not have the  opportunity to argue in front of God, but as  but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. I have already proven you that God exists on page one. But you heart tells you deep down that God exists, God is existence itself.

So while the you made a compelling argument about religion, it is an argument derived from your intellect. Without illumination from the Holy Spirit, you cannot understand the things of God and can only see the world through your intellect (1 Corinthians 1:18, 23, 2:14). Used to seeing religion as a system of “dos and don’ts” (I.e. control by the religious elites), it is hard for you to understand Christianity as a relationship with God.

So while I can counter your arguments, it may not necessarily convince you. your argument and your atheism merely offers me an opening to share the Gospel. If my aim is to convert you, I still need to preach the Gospel to you. Often, this includes the possibility of offending you since people are naturally hostile to the Gospel (Romans 8:7). True Gospel is Christ centered and not man centered. There is really no such thing as “seeker sensitive” as some churches are deep into these days.

Paul in Acts 17:16-34 serves as a good model for us. He used the “unknown god” as an opening to start a conversation with the Greeks. But once he started, he went straight to the Gospel. No time is spent debating to satisfy the listeners’ curiosity despite their inclinations (verse 21). Yet, while some mocked (verse 32), some were converted after hearing Paul (verse 34).

Ultimately, there is nothing inherently different between an atheist or a non- Christian with religious beliefs. We theists can definitely address your concerns and arguments but only the Holy Spirit can save (John 15:26, 16:8, 13-15). God always get the glory. We are only His instrument for evangelism. If you rejects what I say, you are not rejecting me or the strength of your counter argument. Rather you are rejecting the One who sends me.

God bless.

Sorry, Mike and Mr. O, I know there are several composing responses to this, but I only have one question:


I mean, for fuck's sake, man. Go preach on a street-corner or something.

[Hydra009]

Ultimately, there is nothing inherently different between an atheist or a non- Christian with religious beliefs.

Well...except for the religious beliefs.  Other than that small difference (and the different mentalities that cause that difference), they're not very different at all.

[John Paul]

John, are you on an assignment or something?  Were you sent to troll this site as a requirement of some sort; are you earning savior points or something?  So, who the fuck is sending you?  This One???  Oh yeah, that One god.  Not the others, but the one.  Since only the holy spit can save, I hope he is saving Green Stamps, for I can't use Blue Chip Stamps. 

John, look into a mirror--you see that reflection?  As kindly as I can put it, you are seeing an idiot; a gullible, stupid, vapid, thoughtless, blind person of belief.  Have you ever had a thought in your life; and I don't mean a belief, for you are riddled with them.  A thought--they are good for the soul--which does not exist either, but you know what I mean.

I repeat, If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves whom you will serve  either yourself or the Lord your God. You are still not accepting God because you are continuing to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, Romans 1:18 also you are spinning my points around, very clever, but remember you will not have the  opportunity to argue in front of God, but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. I have already proven you that God exists on page one. But your heart tells you deep down that God exists, God is existence itself.

So while you made a compelling argument about religion, it is an argument derived from your intellect. Without illumination from the Holy Spirit, you cannot understand the things of God and can only see the world through your intellect (1 Corinthians 1:18, 23, 2:14). Used to seeing religion as a system of “dos and don’ts” (I.e. control by the religious elites), it is hard for you to understand Christianity as a relationship with God.

So while I can counter your arguments, it may not necessarily convince you. your argument and your atheism merely offers me an opening to share the Gospel. If my aim is to convert you, I still need to preach the Gospel to you. Often, this includes the possibility of offending you since people are naturally hostile to the Gospel (Romans 8:7). True Gospel is Christ centered and not man centered. There is really no such thing as “seeker sensitive” as some churches are deep into these days.

Paul in Acts 17:16-34 serves as a good model for us. He used the “unknown god” as an opening to start a conversation with the Greeks. But once he started, he went straight to the Gospel. No time is spent debating to satisfy the listeners’ curiosity despite their inclinations (verse 21). Yet, while some mocked (verse 32), some were converted after hearing Paul (verse 34).

Ultimately, there is nothing inherently different between an atheist or a non- Christian with religious beliefs. We theists can definitely address your concerns and arguments but only the Holy Spirit can save (John 15:26, 16:8, 13-15). God always get the glory. We are only His instrument for evangelism. If you reject what I say, you are not rejecting me or the strength of my counter argument. Rather you are rejecting the One who sends me.

God bless.

[PickelledEggs]

I repeat, If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves whom you will serve  either yourself or the Lord your God. You are still not accepting God because you are continuing to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, Romans 1:18 also you are spinning my points around, very clever, but remember you will not have the  opportunity to argue in front of God, but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. I have already proven you that God exists on page one. But your heart tells you deep down that God exists, God is existence itself.

So while the you made a compelling argument about religion, it is an argument derived from your intellect. Without illumination from the Holy Spirit, you cannot understand the things of God and can only see the world through your intellect (1 Corinthians 1:18, 23, 2:14). Used to seeing religion as a system of “dos and don’ts” (I.e. control by the religious elites), it is hard for you to understand Christianity as a relationship with God.

So while I can counter your arguments, it may not necessarily convince you. your argument and your atheism merely offers me an opening to share the Gospel. If my aim is to convert you, I still need to preach the Gospel to you. Often, this includes the possibility of offending you since people are naturally hostile to the Gospel (Romans 8:7). True Gospel is Christ centered and not man centered. There is really no such thing as “seeker sensitive” as some churches are deep into these days.

Paul in Acts 17:16-34 serves as a good model for us. He used the “unknown god” as an opening to start a conversation with the Greeks. But once he started, he went straight to the Gospel. No time is spent debating to satisfy the listeners’ curiosity despite their inclinations (verse 21). Yet, while some mocked (verse 32), some were converted after hearing Paul (verse 34).

Ultimately, there is nothing inherently different between an atheist or a non- Christian with religious beliefs. We theists can definitely address your concerns and arguments but only the Holy Spirit can save (John 15:26, 16:8, 13-15). God always get the glory. We are only His instrument for evangelism. If you reject what I say, you are not rejecting me or the strength of my counter argument. Rather you are rejecting the One who sends me.

God bless.

Oh I get it. You're trying to convert us.

Sorry, I stopped believing in Santa Clause years ago.

[John Paul]

If you want to know whether christianity is true and Jesus Christ is a real historical person, research it yourself.  You seem intelligent.  I'm sure you could find evidence on your own, most everyone else who studies history did.

Back to my main point, that the first thing to ever, ever exist is what? "Existence".  Existence is what first existed before anything came to be, God is existence that decides, what to come into existence. Existence is God, God is existence, if you prefer not to use the term "God," you may simply call him/it: "The Extremely Powerful, Uncaused, Necessarily Existing, Non-Contingent, Non-Physical, Immaterial, Eternal Being Who Created the Entire Universe...And Everything In It."

My main point on page one can be summarized, here by brother Linux from Catholic Forum who wrote:

Aquinas does state that God's essence is identical with his esse; which means he is the act of existing itself, and is not simply participating in existence.

If this is true, then it would mean that the act of existence is God's nature, which explains his necessity.

Also God is the fullness of existence, which means God by himself is the very antithesis of nothing, he is the very meaning of existence itself.

He lacks no existence, which means he is not in potentiality to more existence, and therefore everything that is necessarily true of the act of existence is identical to God.

Thus if God creates something, it cannot mean that he creating another "act of existence", since that would mean he is not the fullness of reality given that there is an act of existence that is not his own; as a result he would be in potentiality to more existence which is a contradiction.

Also that which is synonymous to the act of existence would exists necessarily and so it is incoherent for God to create an act of existence. Therefore creatures, in-order to be real, have to participate in Gods existence, because they cannot by logical necessity have their own act of existence.

If creatures have an act of existence, their nature is either identical to the act of existence and therefore its their nature to exist (making them God, which is impossible), or the act by which they are real is not identical to their nature and therefore the act by which they are real is a distinct nature of its own. Since such a nature is the act of existence it would exist necessarily and would be God.

Think about it, but you don't have to let me know.

[aitm]

Blah blah….NOTHING suggests the universe NEEDS a creator, except for people like you who demand that your god is actually real to justify the time, money and ego you have spent defending it. Its called "embarrassment".

I don't need to explain any part of the universe when there is nothing that says it cannot happen naturally, and this is absolutely true because it everything says it happened that way!

You want intelligent design? Fine, I have no problem with an accidental creator or an apathetic creator, but the notion that in a 14 billion light year universe so vast that it could not recognize the difference between an atom and our entire planet was created for "us" and then demands our piety while being so incompetent that it cannot even defeat us in a war is fucking absurd.

You claim it is possible for a conscious "being" to have always existed prior to anything else existing, billions of years and have the ability to know everything of things "it' won't "create" for billions more, a concept so absurd that you claim it must be taken as reasonable simply because it IS absurd. This is not just an assumption but an absurdity that deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule. By your "logic" I can proclaim that Alice in Wonderland created the universe and then settled in as the character to watch humans exist. And using your "logic" I should be able to demand everyone listen and respect my "facts". Bull-shit. Absurdity does not get any special clause for consideration simply because you want it to be.

The only reason you are pushing "intelligent creation" is for the sake of your god who is so stymied by a woman's menstrual cycle (that you claim he made with intelligent design-HA) that he orders her to be ordered out of the village.  Even your god is an embarrassment.

[aitm]

If you want to know whether christianity is true and Jesus Christ is a real historical person, research it yourself.   I'm sure you could find evidence on your own, most everyone else who studies history did.

BULLSHIT.

In the first place less than 1/3 of the world believes in your boy. Secondly "most" christians are christians not because they researched it, they were born into it and forced into it. Lastly, christianity was spread by the sword and gun and if you don't know that, you sure as hell shouldn't be flapping your lips about reading history.

[PickelledEggs]

Tell me this, John Paul:

If god exists, why isn't he able to help me find my car keys?

[Mr.Obvious]

Tell me this, John Paul:

If god exists, why isn't he able to help me find my car keys?

Obviously, in your heart of hearts, you hear him screaming: "check yesterday's pants you fool!" But you convince yourself you don't hear him because you want to live in sin and watch porn at home, rather than drive to salvation army and drop off some clothes.

Remember, the fool sayeth in his heart; there is no goddamned sign of my goddamned keys anywhere.

[John Paul]

Tell me this, John Paul:

If god exists, why isn't he able to help me find my car keys?

The prayer must be in Gods will~my thought, but lets see the full reason.

This may be sound insulting but I can't explain otherwise.

John 9:31 declares, “We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will.” It has also been said that “the only prayer that God hears from a sinner is the prayer for salvation.” As a result, some believe that God does not hear and/or will never answer the prayers of an unbeliever. In context, though, John 9:31 is saying that God does not perform miracles through an unbeliever. First John 5:14-15 tells us that God answers prayers based on whether they are asked according to His will. This principle, perhaps, applies to unbelievers. If an unbeliever asks a prayer of God that is according to His will, nothing prevents God from answering such a prayerâ€"according to His will. https://gotquestions.org/unbeliever-prayer.html

Any question can be answered with a little bit of research e.g google, I may research for you if you couldn't find the answer to a particular question.

[Jason78]

I have already proven you that God exists on page one. But your heart tells you deep down that God exists, God is existence itself.

All my heart is doing at the moment is pumping blood.   

I've still seen no compelling reason to even suspect a god exists, let alone believe in one.

Your premise that god is existence is unfounded and nonsensical.   Have you heard of the Anthropic Principle?

[Baruch]

The Anthropic Principle is speculation, it isn't science.

[doorknob]

Just asserting that there is a reason for the universe and a cause of it is pretty arrogant. Not to mention claiming to know, what this cause is with out any proof is also pretty arrogant.

We don't know what was before the universe or what physical laws it followed. You coming here and telling us that you do with out a lick of evidence is a waste of your time and my time. If scientists don't know, what makes you think that you know or better yet some bronze age herders know? Did mommy and daddy teach you that from a young age and now you are unable to tell the difference between a perpetuation of deception and what is real?

Just because YOU can not fathom anything existing with out a cause or reason doesn't mean that it can't.

Going a step further and then assuming the creator is YOUR god is also pretty arrogant. You haven't even proven that the universe was created or what it was created by but now you go straight to your god! Pretty convenient way to explain things rather than doing any research or scientific studies.