Are you guys a part of any marxist groups?

Started by Jannabear, November 12, 2016, 06:55:54 AM

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Jannabear

is anyone here a part of any marxist groups in their area?
I'm curious.
I've seen more marxist groups popping up in the states, some are more libertarian forms of leninism, whilst others are just random forms of marxism
I'm personally a marxist and I'm just curious

Sal1981

Uhm, I know too little to comment about Marxism, but I am a technocrat. Basically, I think that only competent people should be able to be voted in ...

SGOS

You never know.  Anyone could be called a Marxist, Nazi, Fascist, Socialist, Communist, or some sort of 'phobe at any time, but to my knowledge, I have never been associated with a Marxist group.

Gawdzilla Sama

Not a member of any such group but I've wiped a few out in my day.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

drunkenshoe

Do you mean one of those philosophy debate groups that members actually know that Marxism is not some sort of a 'Russian' movement founded by a man called Karl Marx to impose 'a regime' called 'communism' OR you mean some sort of a social agitation club that full of men with side burns who think Bukowski is the best thing happened to the world literature drinking and cussing all day to everything in their 'high brand' vintage outfits from 60s?

I really don't see any other functional Marxist groups existing today. :lol:
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Atheon

Not me. Not fond of Commies, Nazis, or other political philosophies that oppose freedom and democracy.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca

Jannabear

Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 12, 2016, 08:29:20 AM
Do you mean one of those philosophy debate groups that members actually know that Marxism is not some sort of a 'Russian' movement founded by a man called Karl Marx to impose 'a regime' called 'communism' OR you mean some sort of a social agitation club that full of men with side burns who think Bukowski is the best thing happened to the world literature drinking and cussing all day to everything in their 'high brand' vintage outfits from 60s?

I really don't see any other functional Marxist groups existing today. :lol:
I mean groups that are actually talking about potential strategies to spreading communist viewpoints and eventually a marxist takeover of the government.

Jannabear

Quote from: Atheon on November 12, 2016, 08:33:19 AM
Not me. Not fond of Commies, Nazis, or other political philosophies that oppose freedom and democracy.
quite alot of communists are against authoritarianism, tankies are generally hated among the communists ive been around.

Hydra009

I like Rage Against the Machine.  (Perfect time for a reunion, btw)  Other than that, no.

Baruch

Quote from: Sal1981 on November 12, 2016, 06:59:59 AM
Uhm, I know too little to comment about Marxism, but I am a technocrat. Basically, I think that only competent people should be able to be voted in ...

That is what Socrates is claimed by Plato to have said in The Republic ... and Socrates probably did say it.  Basically if you are potter, do pottery ... if you are a doctor, do medicine ... the usual professional ethics, but for everyone, not just licensed professionals.  Whatever you are good at, do that, and not try to do more than one thing, just the one thing you are good at.  Since most people are evidently bad at voting, obviously most people should not vote.  Socrates was part of an Athens that had pure democracy (for 6000 White male citizens only).  Athenian juries had 300 - 600 people on them ... the more the merrier.  Plato's ultimate conclusion (probably not Socrates) is that philosophers like him, should rule (not be elected).  Both Marxism and Fascism trade on having read The Republic.  It is monarchists who are opposed to it (hence small R republicanism is from Plato).  Plato was an aristocrat, not a monarchist ... he thought like Jefferson, that talent can come from any family, should be identified early (as Pamela Harriman did with Bill Clinton) and nurtured.  Monarchists on the other hand, believe their semen is magic invariably.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 12, 2016, 08:29:20 AM
Do you mean one of those philosophy debate groups that members actually know that Marxism is not some sort of a 'Russian' movement founded by a man called Karl Marx to impose 'a regime' called 'communism' OR you mean some sort of a social agitation club that full of men with side burns who think Bukowski is the best thing happened to the world literature drinking and cussing all day to everything in their 'high brand' vintage outfits from 60s?

I really don't see any other functional Marxist groups existing today. :lol:

I thought that all Frenchmen of the 50s, who weren't Existentialists ... were Communists (of the French sort) ;-)  Russia used to say that France is the only country that got Marxism right.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Gawdzilla Sama

I like the Marxist group that Groucho fronts for.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Jannabear on November 12, 2016, 09:16:00 AM
I mean groups that are actually talking about potential strategies to spreading communist viewpoints and eventually a marxist takeover of the government.

They don't exist.
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Baruch

#13
I would be happy to discuss the topic with you ... since I freely color outside the box ... and was well read on Marxism (as part of the Cold War) in my youth.

So you actually think that industrialization makes a phase change in human cultural/social/political evolution?  What about the computer revolution.  For technologists, revolution is so trite and commercialized.  You read the Communist Manifesto ... it isn't very long.  One thing in it I support is free public education (this should include college though).  Is dialectical materialism a real thing for you?

They don't exist as groups however, just intellectuals.  Slavoj Zizek is the leading European Marxist.  Mr Varoufakis is a functioning Marxist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4vHSiotAFA ... he is always worth listening to, and he talks a lot like Shoe ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4s5b9NL3I ... the only recent Marxist in public service ... in Greece ... and in office only 6 months.

Of course thinkers like this are mind blowing to Americans posting here.  In this video, Varoufakis is quoting Yugoslavia under Tito.

Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Here is a good place to start ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3u4EFTwprM

Marxism is history based (even if Marx's historiography has been obsoleted) ... so I am down with that -)  Also Marxism takes class difference and class struggle seriously, whereas America is fatally Middle Class (who ignores class and class struggle).  There is no solidarity, when your class (the 99%) is divided into individuals (conveniently for the 1%). 

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” ― Warren Buffett

Americans are such gullible rubes, just ask the Trump or Hillary voters ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.