Started by alexxmedeiros, October 14, 2016, 12:39:47 AM
Quote from: Baruch on October 15, 2016, 01:48:40 PMas a parent I can say, people aren't reachable after 6 years old.
Quote from: trdsf on October 16, 2016, 11:20:11 PMI dunno. I have had some excellent discussions (not debates) with believers. I count some quite devout believers among my friends -- and I have tremendous respect for a born-again friend of mine who said, early in our friendship, that he was praying for me and that was the last thing he would say to me about my beliefs -- and it was. He has not mentioned it since, and it's been more than 25 years. I respect faith like that (regardless of whether I agree with it), and I respect respect like that.They make me feel obliged to be an example by being a good example for the non-religious life, rather than by talking about it, and I cannot help but think that that's a good thing.
Quote from: Baruch on October 17, 2016, 07:17:27 AMSo you are the exception that proves the rule? If the majority had a life story like yours, the world would be radically different.
Quote from: SGOS on October 17, 2016, 06:57:56 AMDon't confuse reachable with respect. I am good friends with a fundamentalist couple, and while there is acceptance of each other's views, or respect if you wish to call it that, they are not reachable. Nor am I at this time. There is no possibility of rational debate over religion with that couple. There might be at sometime in the future, but they have made it clear that it is not possible at this time. This is a positive understanding between us.I also think some people are reachable after the age of six. At six, I was a Christian, but I gradually became an atheist. Not that anyone person "reached" me and caused a conversion, although obviously my transformation involved a lot of discussion with both atheists and theists. I don't know. Perhaps I was predisposed to atheism. The theist arguments, while inspirational, made no logical sense to me. The atheist arguments interested me, and caused me to think.
Quote from: aitm on October 18, 2016, 10:43:48 AMRespect is a difficult thing to truly do. I prefer the word considerate. I am considerate of "your" religion, but I do not respect it. There are one or three "religions" that are less intrusive so they can get a little more consideration, but respect implies, at least to me, a little bit of agreement.
Quote from: trdsf on October 18, 2016, 10:32:28 AMOh, certainly -- but 'reachable' implies 'willing to listen in the first place', and I'm always willing to respect 'willing to listen in the first place' even if it never gets to the point of 'reachable'.And likewise, I was raised a Catholic, and throughout the 1970s I was a very devout young RC -- altar boy, lector, probably on track to be a deacon, and then John Paul II happened and I watched 'my' church turn reactionary and I just couldn't anymore. Even so, it took drifting through Wicca and a sort of collision between Jeffersonian Deism and Discordianism before finally sitting down and having a good solid think about it and realizing that it was an explanation of the universe that was entirely unnecessary.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 19, 2016, 04:13:44 AMThe problem is that most theists can't discuss things rationally. In another forum, a theist just said (in totality) "John something" as if that was proof I was wrong. No discussion, no explanation, just a quote from the very book we were arguing did not exist as proof of Jesus. I don't understand these people. There is NO rational thought in any of them.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 19, 2016, 05:40:37 AMI am aware of their chaotic thinking. That is the whole frustration.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 19, 2016, 08:16:25 AMMakes sense, I even save worms from the driveway after it rains hard.
Quote from: SGOS on October 19, 2016, 05:26:57 AMTry and have a debate with a theist, and if you can draw them out, you will see the chaos. It takes the familiar shape of a discussion the makes no sense. Faith in a god of some sort is the remedy they use to deal with it.