"Real Reason White People Say, 'All Lives Matter.' "

[Baruch]

Whether the grand-poo-bah of BLM supports it or not, the fact that people are inspired(?) to do things like this because of BLM, it makes BLM a problem.

And I say grand poo bah in partial jest because there is none. Every time someone says "this isn't what [insert movement/set of beliefs here] stands for" it's just one, big no-true-scottsman fallacy. This movement is now a both a multi-headed and a no-headed beast. No one controls it, but it controls a vast amount of people in a vast amount of ways.

Peasant uprisings become critical when a leader does emerge who provides a focus i.e. Nat Turner.  This is why Occupy didn't need to call in the snipers that were on the planning board.  Maybe the race war every American has hoped for has finally arrived ... or not.

People want justice, yet justice is human conceptual bullshit like Santa Claus.  Magical thinking.  And contrary to Middle Class values (and to the Left, the Middle Class is a cancer, because they neutralize the class conflict) you aren't just guilty for what you yourself did yesterday.  Guilt operates across space, time and class.  The post-WW II Matrix was necessary to protect the Five Eyes ... otherwise the Soviet Union would have won.

[drunkenshoe]

Considering your age, Baruch, you should be aware 10 times over the youngsters here how much changed in the society you live in the past 35-40 years -that would put your age back then to Pickel's roughly. 

There is a big difference between justice as an idealist concept and how reaction and conflict is needed to shape societies for the better and how that rises from social injustice.

Young people in this forum are around mid twenties. This is the first social crisis in their country they are facing. They are not aware -naturally- how a lot of things they take for granted everyday actually reached by conflicts created by groups like BLM and even BLM went rogue or not, this will neither be the last one, nor the most violent. It's going to happen over and over again in their life times.

Speaking of magical thinking and American middle class values neutralising the class conflict which I agree, reducing the social conflict with a historical background older than the country itself that built it is pretty much like neutralising the issue itself as a middle class. I am guessing you are high middle class?

By the way the five eyes is actually a triangle. And it is still intact. 

"Soviet would have won." What would have happened if German was elected as the official language of the US? It lost with how many votes? 2? 1?

[Baruch]

The US would have been wise to support the Kaiser in WW I ... then no WW II necessary.  So yes, history could be radically different  ;-)  The second language in the US in 1914 wasn't Spanish, it was German.  My mother is German-American.  Cheering European armies in WW I, was like cheering the home team, since so many of us were recent immigrants.  But Teddy Roosevelt got the British Empire and the French Empire to kiss and make up.  And the German-Russian alliance broke up, to be picked up by a French-Russian alliance.  If McKinley hadn't been persuaded to put Teddy on the ticket, the Brits and French might have remained enemies ... and anti-German paranoia on Britain might not have kept the British out of the German orbit (as Victoria intended them to be ... English, German, Russian by monarchial marriages).  France and the US were republics ... enemies of the Brits etc.

You don't really expect the 60s to return any time soon, right?  There are periodic social crises ... but they don't necessarily produce the same upset ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

Young people today don't need to be at Berkeley in the 60s ... they just need Youtube ... then they can be groovy too!

[drunkenshoe]

The US would have been wise to support the Kaiser in WW I ... then no WW II necessary.  So yes, history could be radically different  ;-)  The second language in the US in 1914 wasn't Spanish, it was German.  My mother is German-American.  Cheering European armies in WW I, was like cheering the home team, since so many of us were recent immigrants.  But Teddy Roosevelt got the British Empire and the French Empire to kiss and make up.  And the German-Russian alliance broke up, to be picked up by a French-Russian alliance.  If McKinley hadn't been persuaded to put Teddy on the ticket, the Brits and French might have remained enemies ... and anti-German paranoia on Britain might not have kept the British out of the German orbit (as Victoria intended them to be ... English, German, Russian by monarchial marriages).  France and the US were republics ... enemies of the Brits etc.

Execpt US wasn't developed enough to look for a new market then. They only found the chance during the second one.

Of course it was German that's why it was voted that close. That's what I mean. Just imagine a German speaking US going through the period. Wouldn't turn out good.

You don't really expect the 60s to return any time soon, right?  There are periodic social crises ... but they don't necessarily produce the same upset ...
Young people today don't need to be at Berkeley in the 60s ... they just need Youtube ... then they can be groovy too!

The next 60s wouldn't be something a person from the 60s could relate.

At Berkeley in 60s? They would run away scared shitless screaming 'Anti-American terrorists!  Think about Black Panther threads and white younsgters here screaming about how violent and racist they are against white people... racist commies! And all those radical feminists and sex revolution!

Oh my gawd, we are fucking living the 60s without the '60s', eh?

[PickelledEggs]

Good. There should be conflict. There should be problem.

So it's good that black people are stooping to the level of violent and racist white people in the name of equality?

...if you say so...

[drunkenshoe]

So it's good that black people are stooping to the level of violent and racist white people in the name of equality?

...if you say so...

No, there will always be people in a crowd with violent tendencies. Or even people acting deliberatly in certain ways to harm others. Some protests rallies will always get violent at some point. Or murderous piece of shits will always use every opportunity to kill innocent people for anything.

What is not going to happen, however, is any issue getting solved by PG protesting. Or have some control over people. That's not going to happen. 

If BLM goes rogue and outlawed which is very possible, other groups will emerge in time that will define themselves in contrast with groups like BLM and similar things will happen with them too. Because this has already happened many times over.

America is in struggle, it has reached a point and certain groups are responding to that pushing a bigger social explosion. There is no control with social explosions. They are violent, dangerous, destructive and full of rage. They are everything people are.

They are normal. It means there is a lot of life in American society. If there wasn't any rage and reaction I would worry about that.

[PickelledEggs]

So are you saying it's good or not that these mobs of people are violently targeting white people, even if they don't have anything to do with the problem other than having light skin?

Sent from your mom.

[PickelledEggs]

Because it kind of sounds like you're saying:

"What' the matter? You're not ok with black people indiscriminately and violently targeting white people even if they weren't racist or did anything bad in the first place?"

Wtf is this "PG protesting" Of course a protest isn't going to "PG", many times it needs to be "R", but once it turns in to snuff porn, it's time to pull the plug.

[drunkenshoe]

So are you saying it's good or not that these mobs of people are violently targeting white people, even if they don't have anything to do with the problem other than having light skin?
Sent from your mom.

No, I am saying it is a natural consequence.   

[PickelledEggs]

No, I am saying it is a natural consequence.   

So, we shouldn't worry about BLM protesters going out and violently targeting white people for the sole reason that they are white because it's a "natural consequence" of the protest?

[PickelledEggs]

This is like nice little kid that was beat up in school and decided to start beating up kids to feel "even". Didn't solve anything, just made more violence.

[drunkenshoe]

Because it kind of sounds like you're saying:

"What' the matter? You're not ok with black people indiscriminately and violently targeting white people even if they weren't racist or did anything bad in the first place?"

Wtf is this "PG protesting" Of course a protest isn't going to "PG", many times it needs to be "R", but once it turns in to snuff porn, it's time to pull the plug.

No peaceful protest ever gotten any results in the US. Occupy Wall Street was a peaceful protest, government crushed it, nothing changed and people died.

Snuff porn? That's not just overly dramatic, it is also silly. Pull the plug? Yeah...you wait for that to happen. Don't forget to pray too.

[drunkenshoe]

This is like nice little kid that was beat up in school and decided to start beating up kids to feel "even". Didn't solve anything, just made more violence.

No, it is not. But it is a good anology for how you percieve it.

[PickelledEggs]

Alright, shoe.

Sent from your mom.

[GSOgymrat]

No peaceful protest ever gotten any results in the US. Occupy Wall Street was a peaceful protest, government crushed it, nothing changed and people died.

It's remarkable the LGBTQ community managed to go from gay sex being illegal and a mental illness to national gay marriage equality in less than thirty years. Somehow we did it with a minimum of property destruction, assaults and shootings.