Ethicists - Voting Your Heart is Immoral

[Jason Harvestdancer]

This is why it's a choice of voting between Hillary and Trump.

I'm actually more frustrated with people voting third party than the people voting for Trump at this point. At least the people voting for Trump aren't lying to themselves, thinking they're going to be in anyway productive when they vote for a third party candidate

But I've admitted that my third party vote isn't productive, just as it wouldn't be productive if I voted major party.  California is going for Hillary, no matter how I vote.  So now you think that I think my vote is productive?

[PickelledEggs]

But I've admitted that my third party vote isn't productive, just as it wouldn't be productive if I voted major party.  California is going for Hillary, no matter how I vote.  So now you think that I think my vote is productive?

Whether you actually think you're being productive or not, the bottom line is that you are wasting your gas and putting unnecessary miles on your car to make a useless vote. I guess it's it's just the fact that you're doing something for the sake of voting. It's like if I ordered a hamburger with extra tomatoes and then I took all the extra tomatoes knowing that I was just going to put the extra tomatoes in the trash. It's a waste and it doesn't make sense.

[Baruch]

Whether you actually think you're being productive or not, the bottom line is that you are wasting your gas and putting unnecessary miles on your car to make a useless vote. I guess it's it's just the fact that you're doing something for the sake of voting. It's like if I ordered a hamburger with extra tomatoes and then I took all the extra tomatoes knowing that I was just going to put the extra tomatoes in the trash. It's a waste and it doesn't make sense.

All this waste can be solved by choosing monarchy.  Choosing a Kennedy, a Bush, a Clinton ... and you are choosing monarchy.  I hope the Obamas go back under their rock in Chicago and stay there.

[PickelledEggs]

No. It's still not a monarchy. We also have the other 2 thirds of the judicial system that rule our country, which also can be voted on.
Learn how our government works, Baruch.

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[Hydra009]

All this waste can be solved by choosing monarchy.

How does one go about installing a monarchy?  Do you vote in order to not have a vote?

[Baruch]

No. It's still not a monarchy. We also have the other 2 thirds of the judicial system that rule our country, which also can be voted on.
Learn how our government works, Baruch.

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We vote on SCOTUS?  What an Obama Constitutional scholar are you!  The SCOTUS is part of the problem.  We do vote on Congress, but the voters are irresponsible (it is the other Congressman who is bad, not my Congressman), and Congress is part of the problem.  The US system is coming apart and won't survive (see Citizen's United).  We are going to a Rollerball future.  After decades of being an American citizen, I don't think the US works politically (at the Federal level), it is a sick joke.

[Baruch]

How does one go about installing a monarchy?  Do you vote in order to not have a vote?

The Roman way.  General Patreus sizes power ... and eventually has his own children succeed him.  That is how William the Bastard set himself up in England.  There is no social contract ... and your vote doesn't count anyway ... particularly if you don't vote or you vote like an idiot (not speaking of you personally).

[widdershins]

Theists aren't wrong because they won't provide proof. Theists are (likely) wrong because (imo) god is an illogical concept. Proof (or evidence) is what I was asking you for. Proof that she had nothing to do with it...

Come on.  You know better than to ask someone to prove a negative.

[PickelledEggs]

Come on.  You know better than to ask someone to prove a negative.

Maybe he doesn't?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Whether you actually think you're being productive or not, the bottom line is that you are wasting your gas and putting unnecessary miles on your car to make a useless vote. I guess it's it's just the fact that you're doing something for the sake of voting. It's like if I ordered a hamburger with extra tomatoes and then I took all the extra tomatoes knowing that I was just going to put the extra tomatoes in the trash. It's a waste and it doesn't make sense.

The same wast occurs if you vote major party, yet you won't call that waste.

[PickelledEggs]

The same wast occurs if you vote major party, yet you won't call that waste.

Lol no it isn't. I'm preventing a travesty by making a vote for someone that has a chance.

Also. Do you vote third party during the entirety of each term? As in, do you vote to your Senate and house representatives? Your local politicians? Or are you just blowing hot air and being 'rebellious (tm)' ?

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[widdershins]

Maybe he doesn't?

I've generally found FaithIsFilth to be an intelligent poster.  We've had our differences, but we can usually talk about them rationally like adults.

[PickelledEggs]

I've generally found FaithIsFilth to be an intelligent poster.  We've had our differences, but we can usually talk about them rationally like adults.

I've found this too, which is why I find it puzzling that he's pulling the "prove the negative card"

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[Baruch]

With the IRS, you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.  If I were with the IRS, y'all would be under arrest ... cardiac arrest that is ;-)

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Lol no it isn't. I'm preventing a travesty by making a vote for someone that has a chance.

Also. Do you vote third party during the entirety of each term? As in, do you vote to your Senate and house representatives? Your local politicians? Or are you just blowing hot air and being 'rebellious (tm)' ?

So you actually think your vote will change the outcome.  Fascinating.

Which means that you think my 3rd party vote isn't a waste, because you think our votes actually matter.