Ethicists - Voting Your Heart is Immoral

[Baruch]

It's worse, the Repubs have had a rage-boner against the CONCEPT of a Democratic President since 1992.  It has been "No Damn Way" ever since.

I was the opposite ... no damn Republican President since 1992 ... then Bill the Sex Monster changed my mind.  I briefly was taken in by Obama in 2008 ... but sure enough, he turned out to be another CIA Trojan Horse ... though at least he isn't a trojan (condom) like Bill.

[Baruch]

Perhaps that he threatens libel suits against almost the entire universe and never follows them up because he knows they are baseless?

What, you don't support the Trial Lawyer mafia?  Expect a subpoena in the morning!  If Trump sucks up all the Trial Lawyer activity, there won't be any available for others to file law suits.

[Baruch]

I had a dream the other night that Obama grew an Islamic-style beard just to make the Republicans froth at the mouth for his entertainment!

Actually he should go back to Indonesia or Kenya where he belongs ;-)  Being bearded and Muslim are cool there.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

As for Trump, I oppose him because of his proposed Supreme Court nominations, who would outlaw abortion. I oppose him because his win would validate the Republicans' Supreme Court delaying tactic. I oppose him for his idea of building a wall. I oppose him for the sexist, racist, and Islamophobic sentiments that he has expressed repeatedly. I oppose him because he pandered shamelessly to the Religious Right and chose one of their members as a VP. I oppose him for his global warming denialism. I oppose him for his dangerously simplistic and unnuanced view of international politics. I oppose him for his tendency to egg on his rabid followers to violence. I oppose him for his utter lack of political and government experience. I oppose him because he wants to repeal Obamacare. I oppose him because in the 30 years I've seen him, nothing he has said or done has convinced me he's not an egomanical narcissist.

Using your standard of proof, where is the court verdict that shows Trump supports all that?

All sane people oppose Trump, all ethical people oppose Clinton.

[Cavebear]

Using your standard of proof, where is the court verdict that shows Trump supports all that?

All sane people oppose Trump, all ethical people oppose Clinton.

Trump's own words, day in and day out, convict him...

[Baruch]

Trump's own words, day in and day out, convict him...

Can say the same for Shillary ... but it is legal to vote for the scum you most like, or least dislike.

[FaithIsFilth]

Using your standard of proof, where is the court verdict that shows Trump supports all that?

All sane people oppose Trump, all ethical people oppose Clinton.

Pretty sure he's one of those trolls being paid by Clinton to defend her online (just kidding... sorta). He claims Hillary has done nothing wrong, while she herself and those working for her campaign say she is deeply apologetic about using the private server. Hillary admits that she fucked up, but even in the face of that, Atheon continues saying that Hillary has never done anything wrong in her political life. He's a good little solider and loyal to the team. I don't think arguments like his have done much to help Hillary though. You have to be pretty darn brainwashed to accept his argument that Hillary has done nothing wrong in her political life, ever, period, because even Hillary herself and those working for her campaign are not silly enough to think people are going to buy into the idea that Hillary has never done anything wrong, ever. Atheon's argument can be debunked simply by quoting Hillary herself lol. I'm a Trudea voter and I think he's a massive piece of shit. Bernie Sanders is a piece of shit. Elizabeth Warren is a piece of shit. Gary Johnson is a piece of shit. They all are.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Trump's own words, day in and day out, convict him...

His own words are a court verdict?

[Baruch]

FaithIsFilth - a Trudeau supporter?  Well at least Canada is still an a potentially democratic country.  In the US, our system is too important to be left in the hands of the voters, unless we are willing to vote as told (as manipulated by pre-elections polls).

[PickelledEggs]

Logical voters to third party voters "Ok, son. It's going to come down to you eating either broccoli or brussel sprouts that you have to eat with your dinner, which do you want?"

Third party voters : "I want brownies and gummy bears and cookies! Nyaaaaaaaa!"

Logical voters : "that is not dinner food... "

Sent from your mom.

[Cavebear]

His own words are a court verdict?

"Convict" as in the opinion of voters.  I didn't say "court", you did.

[Baruch]

"Convict" as in the opinion of voters.  I didn't say "court", you did.

There is a general pattern with some posters ... that if it isn't the result of a court conviction, then it isn't real (at least when it is about a candidate or official they support).  Since neither Hillary nor Trump have ever been convicted of anything (as far as I know), then they both must be as perfect at Jesus Christ.  Also voter opinion doesn't count, except theirs and people who already agree with them.

[widdershins]

It does if you say that voting third party is a good thing to do and later call it a moronic thing to do.  A reasonable, conscientious person would pick up on the discrepancy and admit to being wrong in the past.  Pretending that one's stance hasn't changed is the decidedly less accurate and less respectable way of dealing with that incongruity.

If you bothered to read anything I actually said you would easily see that I was ALWAYS talking about voting for what I considered to be the "best candidate".  That has never changed.

That's why I quoted you directly.  So that when you say "It's about rejecting the corrupt system" in one post and then it's not about "'rejecting' any system" in the next, it's easy for people to recognize what you're doing.

You got me there.  I said one thing in a different post which doesn't match what I'm talking about in this post after a long and contentious discussion which went all over the place.  It happens.  It doesn't change the fact that I was ALWAYS talking about voting for the candidate I thought to be the best, regardless of political affiliation.  Hell, the thread title mentions "voting your heart".

[Cavebear]

If you bothered to read anything I actually said you would easily see that I was ALWAYS talking about voting for what I considered to be the "best candidate".  That has never changed.
You got me there.  I said one thing in a different post which doesn't match what I'm talking about in this post after a long and contentious discussion which went all over the place.  It happens.  It doesn't change the fact that I was ALWAYS talking about voting for the candidate I thought to be the best, regardless of political affiliation.  Hell, the thread title mentions "voting your heart".

How dare you try to be rational and thoughtful?  Shame on you.  People like you destroy all thoughtless partisan ranting!  ;)

[Jason Harvestdancer]

"Convict" as in the opinion of voters.  I didn't say "court", you did.

It was your standard of proof when I said that Hillary was unethical.