Ruling out Evolution

[Hijiri Byakuren]

Emergent properties may not be magic, but they cannot be explained by science.

Emergence is a scientific process, you fucking illiterate.

[Hakurei Reimu]

You keep missing the point that living organisms increase energy AND lower entropy spontaneously without an outside influence.

And you just failed Thermodynamics 101. Organisms get energy by burning their food. That's positive entropy. There is no such thing as a process that "lowers entropy spontaneously", even in organisms â€" it's simply unphysical.

If you want to show otherwise, let's see some fucking math.

That violates the basic drive of chemistry and has never been observed in an inanimate object.

You've yet to show that such a thing happens in animate objects either, which would give this statement any weight whatsoever. You simply state that as if it meant something. Your calculations that it does are strangely absent.

You are the one that thinks the entropy of individual molecules cannot by measured.

They can't, Mr. 'I need to take a real thermodynamics course'. The entropy change of individual molecules going through a reaction in a system can definitely be done, but outside a system? Doesn't exist.

I think it is your lack of understanding of entropy that prevents you from seeing my point.

Says the guy who doesn't seem to understand that entropy is a state variable. It doesn't apply to individual molecules. It applies to systems. Now get your google-schollar ass out of here.

Emergent properties may not be magic, but they cannot be explained by science.

You have yet to produce something to not be explained by science. We've made more progress on unraveling consciousness in the past century than you lot did in the past three thousand years.

It is debatable if the solidity of matter is an emergent property.  Yes it only occurs when there is more than one particle, but it can be predicted from the constituents.  It isn't an interaction effect.  A+B +AB.  It is simply A+B due to the exclusion principal.

The exclusion principle doesn't apply to single particles. It only applies when you get two or more particles and let them interact. It fits your own criteria of an emergent property.

[Hydra009]

Now get your google-schollar ass out of here.

But I like Google Scholar.  It's a great resource for semi-relevant PDFs from the latter half of 20th century.  But even that would help clear up the second law of thermodynamics as it relates to life.  No, this is more like yahoo answers quality detective work.

[JBCuzISaidSo]

Hijiri & Hakurei just walked away from this thread with some unasked for and whywouldtheyevencare respect from this AF'r.