UK votes to Leave EU

[SGOS]

If the referendum has no standing, then it just becomes part of the ongoing debate.  There are no winners or losers until such time as an action is taken.  It seems like we might be getting ahead of ourselves.  Maybe a referendum is something different in Great Britain.  Politicians are already resigning when nothing has happened.  We have had non binding referendums here in the States too, and I've assumed they are meant to influence public opinion.

[drunkenshoe]

If the referendum has no standing, then it just becomes part of the ongoing debate.  There are no winners or losers until such time as an action is taken.  It seems like we might be getting ahead of ourselves.  Maybe a referendum is something different in Great Britain.  Politicians are already resigning when nothing has happened.  We have had non binding referendums here in the States too, and I've assumed they are meant to influence public opinion.

Yes, you are right, it's not different in the UK and it has no standing until they put it in the motion. Until the article 50 is activated technically they can reverse it. But you know what, EU will force them to go with it. And their position is now 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'.

There are roughly 2 sides to it just for the moment from their point of view, they created the hown of the dilemma, imo.

Politics: Now as the prime minister has to activate the article 50 to start the Brexit they need a general election; a new Prime Minister to do the worst job. He can't win whatever he does, because while he will 'activate' the so called people's will, the result in long term will bury any politician who got along with it an people will blame them in the next 5-10 years and won't remember what they voted for and why. Not to mention whoever will be the Prime Minister to initiate the article will be the Prime Minister who broke up the UK or if he doesn't he will be the Prime Minister who didn't respect 'democracy' or people's will. (This will screw up the political map of the country just by itself.)

People: General elections they need to carry out that will give that Prime Minster to make the decision will be in the full shadow of this referendum. It will impoverish the whole democratic process of an election under normal circumstances, because people will vote for or against in mind with extreme tendencies and fear created by scaremonger policies of both sides, instead of considering a whole set of issues of their country.

The general perception about referenda is always as if they are something like the mythical shinning democracy in fairy tales of Anicent Greece and that it is something for the good. They are not. This is a delusion that has never been real and never will be. Direct democracy for progress is a fairy tale. And politicians will use this as if it is the 'power of people' as always do or if not worked they will dump it on the responsible administration. But in any case people have lost big. 

At this point one could say "Oh but they voted themselves, so they decided their fate, let them break up ". But globalisation doesn't work that way. World doesn't work that way. Hasn't been for a long time. There is no life out of a bloc.

But majority has already voted for the Leave and if they decide NOT TO LEAVE, addition to the money they have already lost, they will also lose reputation, integrity and will have to sort out a high level of social distress. Not to mention the epic international embarassment of the whole deal. Europe is not like the US. It's a life in very close knit relationships in every scale in close quarters; nothing is a cut and dry deal between two sides, but workings of a CLUB with many members with various aspects.

Of course, it is better if they reverse the Leave in long term than what could come to pass in the first decade when the Leave happens in domestic and international terms. Because when people get poorer and poorer and their life standards fall down below, NOONE will remember who voted for Brexit with what reasons, but just how epically they all failed. That will be a hard set of consequences to face. But then again, this time people and every opposition available will blame the Brexit that didn't happen for every issue this time.

Now, it is a LOSE/LOSE situation. They have already lost a lot.

-Nothing they were 'promised' will happen if they get out, because they have been misled, been lied and their life will fall down for the worst. They will face social distress.
-They will lose all their political and economical integrity and again they will face social distress, if they decide not to get out.

-EU will force them to carry out the decision they made and stand behind the show.


What have they accomplished is an epic mess. Because EU won't break up as everyone seems to dream, but change; adapt to a new order and continue to expand and survive exactly because of this reason while who is left/rushed out will diminish and eventually perish if they cannot adapt to that change. It's all about the first rule. Adapt or perish.



We are not living in the 16th century. This is not Henry the VIII severing ties with the Roman Catholic Church.

[Jannabear]

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