Antigay Pastor Arrested On 70 Counts Of Child pornography

[Hijiri Byakuren]

I agree with that.  It is an illness. 

Apparently it is an untreatable illness.  Which makes it very dangerous for our children.  It is not right or fair to be locked up for life because of an illness.  Except when a child is molested that is a life time sentence in it's own way.  If locking these people up protects even one child, then lock them up.  When a cure is found, then use the cure and let them out; but not until that happens.

Or just make lolicon and shotacon unambiguously legal. Fapping to animated happy time never hurt anyone.

[stromboli]

Or just make lolicon and shotacon unambiguously legal. Fapping to animated happy time never hurt anyone.

Agreed. Don't personally see the difference in porn other than it is considered an abnormal desire, but if no one is hurt by it I don't see the harm. Picturing an act in a fictional sense where it is an artist depiction, to me is not committing harm against a child.

A child pictured in a photograph in the process of having sex, on the other hand, is a victim.

[Mike Cl]

Or just make lolicon and shotacon unambiguously legal. Fapping to animated happy time never hurt anyone.

Dr. Hijiri, I would agree with you--but I have no idea what you just said. :)

[Hijiri Byakuren]

Dr. Hijiri, I would agree with you--but I have no idea what you just said. :)

Okay, here is a picture of two lolis:



Now imagine that someone is fucking them. That's the basic jist of it.

[Hydra009]

Or just make lolicon and shotacon unambiguously legal. Fapping to animated happy time never hurt anyone.

Yeah.  Imho, victimless crimes are not crimes.

[Mike Cl]

Okay, here is a picture of two lolis:



Now imagine that someone is fucking them. That's the basic jist of it.

In the land of cartoons, go for it--whatever that is.

[marom1963]

What many call pedophilia is legal in large parts of the World ... We have to be clear on our terms. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children who are prepubescent. Attraction to pubescent children is not deemed wrong in many places around the globe - especially wonderful shitholes like Afghanistan, where pubescent boys are seen as fair game for older boys and men. Yes.

Point is - how innocent are we? Look at our culture w/its beauty pageants for tarted up little girls. Look at advertising for children's wear - do these kids really need to be in poses that would more likely appeal to adults? Look at them - legs gaped open, backsides turned out ...
For whom is that advertising? What is being advertised?

I don't object to imprisoning convicted pedophiles, but I do object to this ranting and raving to put them to death. In fact, I object to the death penalty period. I object to giving the state the power to kill anyone. That is a power it should not have. If killing is wrong, it is wrong, and it doesn't become right because 12 numbskulls said it was OK.

Not in a World full of crooked cops, crooked DAs, fouled up evidence, and juries who are in a hurry to get home.

[Baruch]

Agreed. Don't personally see the difference in porn other than it is considered an abnormal desire, but if no one is hurt by it I don't see the harm. Picturing an act in a fictional sense where it is an artist depiction, to me is not committing harm against a child.

A child pictured in a photograph in the process of having sex, on the other hand, is a victim.

But slippery slope arguments say, we have to stop pre-crime ;-(  Legal porn is a slippery slope to bestiality and necrophilia!  This is why Muslims are correct ... women should be veiled completely, both in life and in artistic expression.  And because of gays, the men and boys should be veiled completely also.

[stromboli]

But slippery slope arguments say, we have to stop pre-crime ;-(  Legal porn is a slippery slope to bestiality and necrophilia!  This is why Muslims are correct ... women should be veiled completely, both in life and in artistic expression.  And because of gays, the men and boys should be veiled completely also.

Move to Utah. Porn is the evillest of all things, courtesy of the Mormon church- who is not in any way involved in the movement to squelch it, just happens that members are. Also just happens to become an issue to direct attention away from their other homophobic actions. Or the fact that they didn't casually mention medical Cannabis should not be legalized to the 90%+ legislative members who happen to be Mormon. It is in the state constitution that religion should play no part in legislation, so of course it doesn't.



Although there is no actual proof that it does.......

[Flanker1Six]

Which under current law (that doesn't require any contact) ... you can be convicted if you see the children's underwear section of the J C Penny catalog.  Actual physical contact with purient intent ... sure, jail them at least.

Actually; there's a fair bit of state to state variance in what the ped trip wires for being thrown in the can are.   My state has them fairly well honed and thought out---no real complaint from me in that regard.  Interestingly.....................there are 48 registered sex offenders in my one horse village of 10,000; about half are Peds. 

We used to snatch up Ped scrap books all the time (scrap books OK---scrap books containing sexually orientated material related to the perp's crime NOT!).  Quite frequently they contained clippings from the Penny's and Sear's children's underwear section. Quite a penchant for Dungeons and Dragons too.  Many times the hand drawn board figures/characters resembled mostly naked pre pubescent children.  Go figure. 

[Flanker1Six]

Pedophilia is an illness. You don't put people to death for an illness. It's an illness that we do not understand. We study it. We look for therapy options. We don't murder people for something that they cannot help.

Pedophilia comes in two varieties (at least in my state). 

Situational: The perp commits a sexual act with a minor victim; outside of the perp's normal adult sexual preference group; due to one or more external factors.  i.e. Intoxicants, stress, blah, blah, blah.  You get the drift.

Sexual Orientation:  The perp is sexually attracted to minors as the perp's sexual preference group.  The same as consenting adults; could be hetero, gay/lesbian, or Bi.  Sexual Orientations are not curable; because they're not illnesses.   Don't believe me?  Ask any member of the LGBT community if they're ill and would like treatment for it.  Be ready to duck though. 

My state makes no distinction between situational and SO Peds in sentencing.   All Peds are prescribed an individual and/or group therapy regimen while incarcerated, and possibly medication pertaining to their crime.  My state was (I think) the second in the nation to regrettably ban capital punishment.  That's the rules though. 

Situational Peds have around a 50% recidivism rate.

SO Peds have around a 90% recidivism rate.    That's because they like having sex with kids.  You can treat them, medicate them, and train them all you like....................they're still gonna like sex with kids.  EVERY time they're let out; it's highly probable some other kid/s is going to be victimized/raped.  Sure!  Give 'em life.  $30,000/year average to keep any given perp incarcerated.  And in practice?  Very few Peds get life EVER.  Even after second and third offences. 

My Ex worked as our county's Victim/Witness Coordinator, and I've dealt with thousands of initial and follow up victim impact statements over the course of years in many cases----giving me at least a superficial appreciation for the suffering and agony most victims have gone through following their rape/s.    Interestingly--while the Ped's treatment is all at taxpayer expense; amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars in many cases; victims are given little if any anything, and are on their own for their treatment to try and recover what was stolen from them.   

Victim-Rapist.   Victim-Rapist.  Victim-Rapist.  I prefer to spend my sympathy and empathy on the victims.   



 

[FaithIsFilth]

Pedophilia is an illness. You don't put people to death for an illness. It's an illness that we do not understand. We study it. We look for therapy options. We don't murder people for something that they cannot help.

Thank you. Attitudes like his only make it so people are less likely to get help if they need it, which in turn hurts more children. It's a shame that we see things like that said about putting pedos to death, especially when you take into account that hundreds of millions of pedos have never physically abused a child. What are these non-offenders going to think when they see people saying things like that? Is that going to make them want to go get help?

I'm optimistic about this however. Liberal media is starting to give pedophiles a voice. Salon has done several stories on the plight of the pedophile in the past little while. It's only a matter of time before the bigots are the ones that are seen to be on the wrong side of history. A lot of liberals are starting to realize that pedophobia is a real thing, and it's not a good thing. So many liberals have reacted to the Salon stories in a very positive way, so I have a lot of hope and I like where things are going. I'm not usually an optimist, but with this I am. I'm very happy with all the liberals that have stood up and taken the maybe not so popular position of standing up against bigotry.

[Baruch]

The puritans aren't satisfied with stopping all gay sex or other alternative sex ... they want to stop hetero sex also.  But we have to have limits, at least at the extreme end.  Pictures of children in underwear ads in catalogs?  Clutch your pearls, little old ladies!  Put them in chadors.  I used to like looking at the pencil drawn ads for grown women's underwear.  Better lock me up and throw away the key.  The pencil drawn women were eye raped by me.  We gotta stand up for their rights.

[marom1963]

Pedophilia comes in two varieties (at least in my state). 

Situational: The perp commits a sexual act with a minor victim; outside of the perp's normal adult sexual preference group; due to one or more external factors.  i.e. Intoxicants, stress, blah, blah, blah.  You get the drift.

Sexual Orientation:  The perp is sexually attracted to minors as the perp's sexual preference group.  The same as consenting adults; could be hetero, gay/lesbian, or Bi.  Sexual Orientations are not curable; because they're not illnesses.   Don't believe me?  Ask any member of the LGBT community if they're ill and would like treatment for it.  Be ready to duck though. 

My state makes no distinction between situational and SO Peds in sentencing.   All Peds are prescribed an individual and/or group therapy regimen while incarcerated, and possibly medication pertaining to their crime.  My state was (I think) the second in the nation to regrettably ban capital punishment.  That's the rules though. 

Situational Peds have around a 50% recidivism rate.

SO Peds have around a 90% recidivism rate.    That's because they like having sex with kids.  You can treat them, medicate them, and train them all you like....................they're still gonna like sex with kids.  EVERY time they're let out; it's highly probable some other kid/s is going to be victimized/raped.  Sure!  Give 'em life.  $30,000/year average to keep any given perp incarcerated.  And in practice?  Very few Peds get life EVER.  Even after second and third offences. 

My Ex worked as our county's Victim/Witness Coordinator, and I've dealt with thousands of initial and follow up victim impact statements over the course of years in many cases----giving me at least a superficial appreciation for the suffering and agony most victims have gone through following their rape/s.    Interestingly--while the Ped's treatment is all at taxpayer expense; amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars in many cases; victims are given little if any anything, and are on their own for their treatment to try and recover what was stolen from them.   

Victim-Rapist.   Victim-Rapist.  Victim-Rapist.  I prefer to spend my sympathy and empathy on the victims.   

How about not putting them in prisons but in mental hospitals and keeping them there? Sorry, but I do not approve of the death penalty. Imprisonment in mental hospitals would give psychiatrists and psychologists a greater opportunity to study pedophilia in the search for treatment options. Again - pedophiles cannot help being pedophiles. To kill someone for something that he cannot help is barbaric ... I'm left-handed. For centuries, people like me were punished just for being left-handed. The left hand was Satan's hand. Did left-handed people deserve to be punished? No. Now, I know what you're going to say. Left-handedness causes no harm. But that was not what people used to think. Left-handedness was evil incarnate. As late as the 1930s, my father was punished for being left-handed. Now we know that left-handedness is not only not evil but harmless ... Pedophilia is not evil but harmful - it is an illness. It does not deserve punishment at all. It deserves medical treatment. Pedophiles need medical treatment - not brutalization. "Burn the witch!" is not a civilized reaction.

[stromboli]

How about not putting them in prisons but in mental hospitals and keeping them there? Sorry, but I do not approve of the death penalty. Imprisonment in mental hospitals would give psychiatrists and psychologists a greater opportunity to study pedophilia in the search for treatment options. Again - pedophiles cannot help being pedophiles. To kill someone for something that he cannot help is barbaric ... I'm left-handed. For centuries, people like me were punished just for being left-handed. The left hand was Satan's hand. Did left-handed people deserve to be punished? No. Now, I know what you're going to say. Left-handedness causes no harm. But that was not what people used to think. Left-handedness was evil incarnate. As late as the 1930s, my father was punished for being left-handed. Now we know that left-handedness is not only not evil but harmless ... Pedophilia is not evil but harmful - it is an illness. It does not deserve punishment at all. It deserves medical treatment. Pedophiles need medical treatment - not brutalization. "Burn the witch!" is not a civilized reaction.

As is typical in these discussions the concepts of an enlightened society sound ideal, but the reality is a bit different. The act of forcing sex on anyone is a crime, period. The state of mind of the criminal when acting isn't the issue, the act is. You don't put rapists in therapy for a reason- they have committed a brutal and violent act. Anyone capable of committing that act is capable of repeating it. In the case of a pedophile, the obsession seems to run so deep that treatment (as Mike CL stated) is apparently ineffective. Better to protect future victims than treat an untreatable perpetrator.

The other side of that is the onus society places on the crime. It is universally seen as a despicable act, and in the case of therapy or treatment, the perpetrator becomes in some sense a victim of his own obsession. Very few people, especially the victims and the families, are going to have a lot of sympathy for the perpetrator.

But in the case of this pastor and the Catholic priests that perform these acts, a deliberate effort was made to get to the children to begin with. Estimates are that 50% of Catholic clergy are gay, and an unknown number of pedophiles. They do not turn themselves in for treatment prior to the attacks- that is the important part. They deliberately get themselves in position to carry out their attacks and do everything they can in the aftermath to cover the crime. That is an act of a criminal, not a sick man.