Started by Hijiri Byakuren, June 10, 2016, 02:18:52 AM
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 03:10:29 AMIf I am claiming a thing and we are discussing it in a format similar to a debate then doesn't that mean that your are claiming the opposite thing, or at least also claiming a thing?
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 06:53:55 PMScience can prove without a shadow of a doubt, pretty much nothing. Theories are separate things with very little in the way of unified cohesion, and less in the way of irifutable proof, but you want me to prove to you there is a GOD through discussion?
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 06:53:55 PMSounds good, but instead of insisting one must give scientific proof of a thing, perhaps we can simply discuss it logically.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 06:53:55 PMAnyway, I think we have some level of understanding, I cannot prove the existence of GOD for you or anyone else. And you cannot prove the absence of GOD whatsoever.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 06:53:55 PMBy the way; if your going to combat or counter everything I say by saying you need proof, then we really shouldn't waste one another's time.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 11:59:20 PMThe question shouldn't be why GOD must exist. The question should be why we exist.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 11:59:20 PMLogically things such as mathematically being able to describe all existence lend credence to the possibility of intelligent design.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 11:59:20 PMThings like the conscience insist that all isn't merely the combination of its physical parts.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 10, 2016, 11:59:20 PMAltruism in nature between social organisms speaks for the very nature of life and against the selfish theory of survival of the fittest in terms of securing ones own placement at the cost of others. Our unique placement in the cosmos shows our potential and responsibility and negates any presupposition of nihilism.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 11, 2016, 10:02:03 PMYou do recall that I'm sure.I thought we agreed to be logical AND truthful.You realize we can't realistically even hope to have profitable conversation like that, right?I really feel no need to attempt to justify my claim any further until you address this.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 12, 2016, 10:39:42 AMI'm not being inconsistent. Mathematical proof is possible, but it is due to being an artificial construct that we command. Math can construct perfectly valid models that are impossible in the real world, such as infinite division of space.Basically, math can help determine what should be possible, but you you still have to verify those numbers in the real world before you can base a theory off of them. This is why things like dark matter are still just predictions, rather than full fledged theories.Fair and balanced (like Fox News).
Quote from: popsthebuilder on June 12, 2016, 01:12:07 PMAnd in the real world all observable existence can be defined exactly by mathematicsFaith in selfless Unity for Good.