Started by stromboli, January 01, 2016, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 02, 2016, 09:50:45 AMHistorically speaking, the Egyptians weren't bad guys, and Jews didn't build the pyramids. They may have helped build (as Exodus says) the cities in the E Delta of Egypt aka Goshen. But princes of the desert, then or now, don't do manual labor. Basically herdsmen vs farmers. And Egyptians were pretty much non-racists ... if you adopted their culture and language, they didn't care what you looked like (with the possible exception of the family of the Pharaoh). And usually Egyptians weren't even militant ... except when they needed to build a buffer in Canaan.The Bible propaganda is like the US propaganda ... after all, the American version is based on the Biblical version. One group of people is exceptional ... the others are losers. Generally speaking the Biblical version is about a less powerful, less successful people however. The Arabic empire, was basically messianic, it was Biblical people making good, in a time when the main non-Semitic empires were weak (Byzantines and Persians). But its own success destroyed it as usually happens with empires. Two hundred years more or less is the limit for empires. The US is at the end of its run.
Quote from: Baruch on January 02, 2016, 10:24:12 AMPossession is 9/10ths of the law. This is also why the status quo is ferociously defended.
Quote from: Baruch on January 02, 2016, 12:26:07 PMI agree that people haven't changed much. Early animal husbandry was a natural ... transhumance (the Lapps) or pastoral (the Bedouin) ... not a great leap from hunter/gatherer. But farming would have been started by women ... they were the plant experts ... but once farming became important, men would have seized control of it ... particularly if you are a patriarchal nomad culture looking to settle down by invading a settled area and dominating the widows of your victims. The problems of farming were great ... one of which is domesticated animals living with you ... not just the dog, but the goat, sheep and cow lived in your home with you ... and diseases were shared across species boundaries. I suspect the relationship between herdsmen and animals was more healthy than that of the farmer and animals. With the coming of excess population, and the building of cities, it has been Tower of Babel ever since. The immediate problem for cities being trash disposal and sewage. On sewage .. don't even ask. Even London in 1850 didn't understand you don't drink water downstream from the sewers (though the Romans did).
Quote from: stromboli on January 02, 2016, 02:55:43 PMParis and London both being prime examples of population growth outrunning the ability of the infrastructure to deal with. It was said of old you could smell Paris a day before you got there. And quite frankly we aren't doing a lot better now as far as planning. In Utah the area between Salt Lake and Provo on the Wasatch Front corridor has seen exponential growth from tech industries and recreation after the 2002 Olympics. The growth was such that it swallowed up a good bit of what was Utah's West (semiarid) Desert. They are still playing catch up with housing because there were several issues that were not dealt with in the planning stages. Somebody thought that a semiarid region would work for drainage, without taking into account two separate water tables, from Utah Lake and the Great Salt Lake. This is why you will see a mess of for sale signs, development signs, and a whole bunch of half built homes still waiting for plumbing. Much harder to sell houses where the toilets don't work. Greed outruns planning every time, apparently.