Athiest are the dumbest people. No Offence its just true.

[Randy Carson]

When do you find the time?! You've got more of this crap pasted all over here than Home Depot has wallpaper. Just copying and pasting this much stuff has to take 20 hours/day. You can't read it all.

You asked. I Googled, read and posted.

I wouldn't post something I hadn't vetted first because I have to defend what I post.

[Baruch]

But that's not what happened. God created us in order to know and love him and to know His love in return.

However, because we had free will, we were separated from God by what theologians call "original sin". This makes it harder for us to "see the light" but not impossible.

Whether we will search for that light or not is still our choice.

Yes, G-d is into hideous synchophancy and self-regard.  Not a positive attribute in anyone.  I am glad there is some ordinary separation between creation and creator ... the idea of G-d watching me take a crap, like the poor toilet paper holder (TV commercials in the US recently) is pretty creepy, even more than Jerry Sandusky.  Fortunately my big turd didn't stop up my toilet this morning as it sometimes does ... I prayed real hard while the toilet drain was choking on it.  Nothing worse than a backed up toilet that spills over onto the floor, to remind you how great Hell would be like.  G-d helps those who help themselves ... so I was not only observant, I had the plunger ready to go, and my hand near the water valve to cut the water pressure.

[marom1963]

Raspberries. As a Jew, she would have objected to being baptized.

[Baruch]

Both Anne Frank and you have a desire for good things. You also distinguish between good and gooder and gooder and goodest. Thus, you want the goodest things above all.

God is the goodest of all, and desiring him is normal and natural.

Now, although Anne and you may not have an explicit desire, "I want to be baptized", you do have an implicit desire to obtain the Goodest which is God.

Therefore, if you KNEW that baptism was the means to obtaining the goodest, you would desire baptism immediately upon learning of it.

As a Jewess, Anne would have already known of the Goodest, and presumably, she desired it.

As an atheist, there is more work to be done before you can explicitly desire baptism, but the implicit desire for God is already within you.

That was borrowed from Plato quoting Socrates.  Socrates' theory of education.  We all desire to know the truth and goodness, and once we know it, we don't let go of it.  Are Socrates and Plato saints?  Early Church Fathers thought so (some of them).  Which is to say, good epistemology produces good ethics.

[Baruch]

Raspberries. As a Jew, she would have objected to being baptized.

Correct, that and she would have needed to stop having lesbian feelings, or be a hypocrite.  The idea that all people, and Jews in particular, secretly want to be Catholics ... is pretty psycho.  Many of the Germans who arrested people like her, were Catholics and Lutherans, they weren't all secret Pagans.

[marom1963]

Correct, that and she would have needed to stop having lesbian feelings, or be a hypocrite.  The idea that all people, and Jews in particular, secretly want to be Catholics ... is pretty psycho.  Many of the Germans who arrested people like her, were Catholics and Lutherans, they weren't all secret Pagans.

I don't know how I missed your post about the turd and the toilet backing up - that was terrific ... Somehow, I would want God to watch that, from underneath, you know ...

[Randy Carson]

Raspberries. As a Jew, she would have objected to being baptized.

If she understood the role of baptism in God's plan of salvation, why would she object?

Why would you?

[Baruch]

I don't know how I missed your post about the turd and the toilet backing up - that was terrific ... Somehow, I would want God to watch that, from underneath, you know ...

If you think G-d is a male perve ... then it is worse for women!!

[Baruch]

If she understood the role of baptism in God's plan of salvation, why would she object?

Why would you?

I don't, I actually believe in free will ... and not predetermination or predestination.  People will do what people will do.  If some Catholics want to become Jewish, we will say no three times (the rabbinic requirement for people wanting to join).  We don't believe today, that non-Jews go to Hell.  Of course back in the pagan days, everyone went to Hades (I don't count Elysium) ... which was kind of like Hell (which is actually Nordic and cold), but without the Pythagorean and post-Noah stuff about the world being destroyed by fire (and quoted by Jesus also).  This also ties into the Olympian apocalypse of the Titans being let out of Tartarus (the lowest prison of Hades).  How did you like the Christianizing of the Heracles myth, in the Disney version?

[reasonist]

I don't, I actually believe in free will ... and not predetermination or predestination.  People will do what people will do.  If some Catholics want to become Jewish, we will say no three times (the rabbinic requirement for people wanting to join).  We don't believe today, that non-Jews go to Hell.  Of course back in the pagan days, everyone went to Hades (I don't count Elysium) ... which was kind of like Hell (which is actually Nordic and cold), but without the Pythagorean and post-Noah stuff about the world being destroyed by fire (and quoted by Jesus also).  This also ties into the Olympian apocalypse of the Titans being let out of Tartarus (the lowest prison of Hades).  How did you like the Christianizing of the Heracles myth, in the Disney version?

LOL!! Or the Gilgamesh, Ziusudra, Diodorus, Mises (Bacchus), Sargon, Pandora, Attis of Frigia, Dionysus, Hesperides, Enuma Elish myths (just to name a few) which were conveniently adapted by the monotheists. Stolen is the better word. Simple proof that the whole religious hoopla is man made. A god that sends a winged angel from the clouds to repeat and spread other people's stories? Pathetically stupid. And it worked for the longest time, through coercion and torture. Even 150 years ago, yesterday in historical terms, a discussion about the truth and morality of religion would have been plausible. But in the past there were very few atheists because of a natural aversion of being incinerated alive. Today we have moved on from this barbaric practice but many have not moved on with their intellect. But considering the latest poll shows us that there are over 60 million atheists in the US, from virtually zero in the past, and we are the fastest growing group, not all hope is lost. Canada and Europe has accomplished even more disdain towards organized superstition, the numbers are very encouraging.
The US, with about 80% of gullibility is the most religious country in the developed world. Stands to reason that they are also ahead in all areas concerning morality, right???? Not!
Number 1 in:

Teenage pregnancy
Abortion
Murder rates
Incarceration rates
Divorce rates

...and # 27 in education. Of the 50 poorest and most corrupt countries, ALL of them are theocracies.

Thank goodness many have a moral compass despite religious bullshit.

[Mike Cl]

Organized religion morality=do what I say, not what I do. 

[Harassed]

Oh ya.  More religion = less human rights + lower stand of living.

[Knowing]

Surely if I don't believe in your god, then that's a failure on your gods part, not mine.

Well I hit you real quick.
Ok I'd be willing to bet that at sometime in your life and this is for most atheists I think. That at one point in your life you did believe in God, and then at another point you started to deny God's existence.
That being said there's a verse in God's word that says something to the effect of "for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie".
So you see I believe most of you are under this strong delusion sent by God as punishment for your foolishness.

[Knowing]

The Teacher isn't an allpowerfull, allknowing creator of everything. Therein lies The difference.

I just answered this to another guy grasshopper.
"  And for this cause  God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie".

My Sig... No Google lol

[Mr.Obvious]

I just answered this to another guy grasshopper.
"  And for this cause  God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie".

My Sig... No Google lol

So, because we don't believe in god, he is making us not believe in god.
Brilliant.