Athiest are the dumbest people. No Offence its just true.

[Randy Carson]

But you're skipping Question Zero. A shared delusion is a possibility. It's a certainty when we're talking about the Virgin Mary appearing in the sky.

There are no group hallucinations. People don't share dreams.

Try this: next time you wake up, tell your wife, "Hey, I was just dreaming that we were vacationing in Hawaii. Let's go back to sleep, and you can join me."

[Randy Carson]

The fact that something has a large number of followers in no way serves as evidence that what those followers believe is true.

I agree. Did you hear me? I AGREE.

What I have said since making my comment about the iPhone, is that when a large crowd gathers, there is probably a reason. Kinda like when you hear that a TV show is popular or that some singer has sold a zillion records...so, it might be worth checking out.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

This whole string of threads reminds me of an old troll we had for awhile. Not saying Randy's a troll, but if he starts talking about smurfs, I'm leaving.


Fair and balanced (like Fox News).

[Baruch]

There are no group hallucinations. People don't share dreams.

Try this: next time you wake up, tell your wife, "Hey, I was just dreaming that we were vacationing in Hawaii. Let's go back to sleep, and you can join me."

So you are saying that Our Lady of Fatima is fake?  Has the Pope been told?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There are no group hallucinations. People don't share dreams.

Try this: next time you wake up, tell your wife, "Hey, I was just dreaming that we were vacationing in Hawaii. Let's go back to sleep, and you can join me."

Where did I say anything about dreams. I know you want me to stick to your script, but I'm not here to audition for "Evil Atheist."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So you are saying that Our Lady of Fatima is fake?  Has the Pope been told?

Heinlein told a story about a man who stood on a street corner in NYC and just stared at the sky. Pretty soon other people were staring, then people started saying "I see it too!" Some fakes, some with bad eyesight, and some who wanted to be "cool".

[Randy Carson]

So you are saying that Our Lady of Fatima is fake?  Has the Pope been told?

I'm saying that actual appearances of Mary at Fatima or of Jesus after his resurrection are not hallucinations.

There are no group hallucinations.

[Randy Carson]

Where did I say anything about dreams. I know you want me to stick to your script, but I'm not here to audition for "Evil Atheist."

No need to try out. You're a dead ringer for the part.

Okay, I'm kidding. I have no way of knowing whether you're evil or not.

People don't share dreams or hallucinations.

[Baruch]

I'm saying that actual appearances of Mary at Fatima or of Jesus after his resurrection are not hallucinations.

There are no group hallucinations.

OK.  That at least was consistent.  Are you feeling well? ;-)

[Mike Cl]

No need to try out. You're a dead ringer for the part.

Okay, I'm kidding. I have no way of knowing whether you're evil or not.

People don't share dreams or hallucinations.

Hey!  Just a damned minute!  Why does Gawdzilla get to be the evil atheist??!!  Since you claim to be christian, it is within your usual practice to judge freely that which is evil and not evil.  So, can't your make room in your judgement for at least two evil atheists????  Judging others and being a hypocrite are the hallmarks of your religion--so don't be shy, spread your judgments around!

[Baruch]

Hey!  Just a damned minute!  Why does Gawdzilla get to be the evil atheist??!!  Since you claim to be christian, it is within your usual practice to judge freely that which is evil and not evil.  So, can't your make room in your judgement for at least two evil atheists????  Judging others and being a hypocrite are the hallmarks of your religion--so don't be shy, spread your judgments around!

Maybe you can play Hydra?  On second thought, since I am like Captain America, that would be a bad idea ...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm saying that actual appearances of Mary at Fatima or of Jesus after his resurrection are not hallucinations.

There are no group hallucinations.

Who said "hallucinations"? You keep trying force the conversation into a track you can deal with. Sadly, there isn't any.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No need to try out. You're a dead ringer for the part.

Okay, I'm kidding. I have no way of knowing whether you're evil or not.

People don't share dreams or hallucinations.

I used to kill people for $247/month.

I was ordered to do that by Christians.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Hey!  Just a damned minute!  Why does Gawdzilla get to be the evil atheist??!!  Since you claim to be christian, it is within your usual practice to judge freely that which is evil and not evil.  So, can't your make room in your judgement for at least two evil atheists????  Judging others and being a hypocrite are the hallmarks of your religion--so don't be shy, spread your judgments around!

I have the quals.

[Baruch]

I used to kill people for $247/month.

I was ordered to do that by Christians.

But if America had a Pretorian Guard, and you were in it, you could have gotten competitive bidding on who to kill, and made better money ;-)