Beating christians in arguments

[SNP1]

You can't win an argument with a Christian, and it would serve no purpose anyway.  Just tell them to go pedal their bullshit someplace else.

You can win arguments with Christians. The problem is, the more faith based their belief is, the harder it is. If they use apologetic arguments, then if you can show flaws in their logic, they can be debated with.

[Mike Cl]

You can win arguments with Christians. The problem is, the more faith based their belief is, the harder it is. If they use apologetic arguments, then if you can show flaws in their logic, they can be debated with.

You are a little more optimistic about that than I.  For a believer, faith is the ultimate trump card.  Reason and common sense are nice, and even virtues to shoot for.  But, the ultimate badge of being Christian is to follow faith in any and all circumstances.  That is especially true when reason files in the face of their faith.  They will agree with your reasoning, yet still maintain they and their faith are correct anyway.   

[Desdinova]

Welcome aboard.  And as many have previously stated, it's difficult to argue with faith.  Remember you're talking about people who let their children die of cancer rather than seek medical attention because they believe the lord will heal them.

[PickelledEggs]

You can win arguments with Christians. The problem is, the more faith based their belief is, the harder it is. If they use apologetic arguments, then if you can show flaws in their logic, they can be debated with.

It's actually quite easy to beat a believer in a debate. The real trick is getting the believer to understand that they lost. No matter if they win or lose, they will most ALWAYS think they won.

[SNP1]

You are a little more optimistic about that than I.  For a believer, faith is the ultimate trump card.  Reason and common sense are nice, and even virtues to shoot for.  But, the ultimate badge of being Christian is to follow faith in any and all circumstances.  That is especially true when reason files in the face of their faith.  They will agree with your reasoning, yet still maintain they and their faith are correct anyway.

This is true for some people. I once had a Christian friend that knew every argument that I use when I debate, yet still believed. I also know someone that was a Christian that became a deist after we discussed religion. Lastly, I know a Christian that is now an atheist after I debated him (didn't happen immediately, but it did get him to start doubting).

[SNP1]

It's actually quite easy to beat a believer in a debate. The real trick is getting the believer to understand that they lost. No matter if they win or lose, they will most ALWAYS think they won.

Depends on the arguments. There is actually an argument that a theist can use that cannot be refuted. Thing is, it uses a form of Modal logic that only shows if something is possible, not if it is real. It also only shows a deistic god.

CCF - Is a conjunct of all contingent facts in the world
P1) It is possible that a world exists where the CCF has an explanation, and that explanation is q
P2) Explanation q must be a necessary being
P3) It is possible a necessary being exists (from 1 & 2)
P4) If it is possible a necessary being exists, then a necessary being exists (via. axiom s5)
C) A necessary being exists

It also depends on how much you know about debating and refuting arguments.

[Mike Cl]

This is true for some people. I once had a Christian friend that knew every argument that I use when I debate, yet still believed. I also know someone that was a Christian that became a deist after we discussed religion. Lastly, I know a Christian that is now an atheist after I debated him (didn't happen immediately, but it did get him to start doubting).

Then keep on truckin'--doing a good job! 

[SGOS]

It's actually quite easy to beat a believer in a debate. The real trick is getting the believer to understand that they lost. No matter if they win or lose, they will most ALWAYS think they won.

Yes, that is a major rub.