Loony Tunes

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Oppression Olympics


Segregate to integrate


The problem of Whiteness



https://youtu.be/gBzJGckMYO4

[Baruch]

Campuses have been a hot bed of juvenal behavior since the Middle Ages.  Let them rage and occupy the Dean's office.  I don't like Howard Dean anyway ;-)

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Campuses have been a hot bed of juvenal behavior since the Middle Ages.  Let them rage and occupy the Dean's office.  I don't like Howard Dean anyway ;-)

And then they become leaders, policy makers, even presidents. (Or Community organisers).

[Baruch]

Speaking as a college graduate, I know that college degrees are over-rated.  Particularly since you can now completely educate yourself (unofficially of course) using the Internet, at much lower cost than these Medieval dinosaurs.

[Cavebear]

Speaking as a college graduate, I know that college degrees are over-rated.  Particularly since you can now completely educate yourself (unofficially of course) using the Internet, at much lower cost than these Medieval dinosaurs.

Speak for yourself about the value of a college degree.  I got mine 20 years after I told my employer I had and it kept me from being fired.  When I applied, they asked if I expected to get a degree in 6 months.  I was optimistic so I said "yes".  And I was the smartest person in the office with or without one.  And the next office.  And the next. 

I finally went back and got one just because it annoyed me not to have something to hang on the wall.  Straight A's throughout and was asked by several Professors to come back as a grad student and assistant teacher.  When I told them the job and salary I really had, they wanted to pour piss on me, LOL!

But it got me another promotion.

[Baruch]

That is the social reality.  You learn everything by doing, not by studying ... if they give you a chance.  HR uses degrees and certifications to weed out 99% of the resumes/CVs ... because they are lazy fucks.  Medieval education is much too expensive now, and particularly since we have created indentured serfs with our student loan program (another reason to hate Obama).

[Mermaid]

I dunno. I have a lucrative career and earn a big, fat salary because of my degrees. It's not for everyone, and it often results in kids graduating with liberal arts degrees they won't use. But I could not have learned what I learned on my own, being a scientific type.

[Baruch]

Learning on your own, was much harder in the past, because there was no Internet.  There was the library however, and if you were an avid reader, you could get an education there.  In the English elite university system, they have tutors ... this is something we all need.  Lecturers not so much.  Lecturing is 12th century technology.  They had no overheads, the professor read from the textbook, because students couldn't afford any textbooks.  The books in the Uni library were so valuable, they were chained to the book rack ... you could take one and carry it over, clank clank, like Jacob Marley, over to a reading desk.  Then you put it back onto the shelf, clank clank.  You couldn't check a book out.  This changed a little, with modern printing.

So yes, we need tutors, and we need standardized tests to show what you know.  That is still valuable, but it isn't an education, it is book learning, and trade oriented.  Really trade learning occurs in apprenticeship ... that is where real technical education lies, but we don't do it, we use the Uni to weed out the candidates, then HR to weed them out more (because there are way too many graduates, even if the US wasn't importing them).  Of course tutors ... one on one ... is very expensive, so that will only work in the Elite class ... and we will be getting back to only 5% going to Uni.  The rest will go to trade schools aka Community Colleges/VoTEch Schools.  Non-Elite students will get in elite schools, the way they always have, with scholarships.  The post-WW II university system has long ago, reached reductio ad absurdum.

[Cavebear]

There is a value to Liberal Arts degrees that some people miss.  There is some training in just plain "thinking" and "discussing" and "evaluating".

That is something most Trump supporters seem to have missed out on.  Sure, it won't repair your car or grow chickens for the dinner table.  But I highly recommend "thinking" none the less.

It means you didn't vote for Trump!