Why don't I like Star Wars? (no spoilers)

[Hydra009]

In Babylon Five, the Catholic church was still around, running a monastery in the interstices of the station, and even in the distant future (500 years later) it was still around on Earth post apocalypse.  More realistic than most scifi ... which I find to be atheist wet dreams.

It's still around, but definitely in decline.  In the Lost Tales, the priest laments that it's dying out.  Evidently, it didn't completely die out, as there is a monastery a thousand years in the future.  But its real mission is actually secular - preserving history and fostering a new Enlightenment.  Its priests are simply cloaking their true purpose in the trappings of religion.  The B5 cast appear as saint-like beings preserved in their holy text.  The Catholicism that we know of is more or less gone in that future.

[gentle_dissident]

The B5 cast appear as saint-like beings preserved in their holy text.

Yep, from the little I've been able to tolerate, B5 seems all new age and video games.

[Hydra009]

Yep, from the little I've been able to tolerate, B5 seems all new age and video games.

Yeah, there's definitely a new agey vibe.  It's annoying, but thankfully, Garibaldi acts as the voice of reason most of the time.  I'll let the video game comment slide since it was the first TV show to use CGI and the space battles are still passable two decades later.  Also, there's a really quirky, borderline dad-joke level humor, thinly-veiled social commentary, and finally, some pretty moving speeches.  Immensely popular franchises have been built on worse.

[gentle_dissident]

Also, there's a really quirky, borderline dad-joke level humor

Perhaps that's why I laugh at it during moments where laughter seems inappropriate. Or, maybe it's on the verge of being so bad, it's good. If that's the case, I prefer Buck Rogers, Land of the Lost, or even Lost in Space.

[Dionysiou]

The new star wars was feminist, politically correct bullshit. I didn't know whether to laugh or cringe at the cinema.

[Baruch]

Perhaps that's why I laugh at it during moments where laughter seems inappropriate. Or, maybe it's on the verge of being so bad, it's good. If that's the case, I prefer Buck Rogers, Land of the Lost, or even Lost in Space.

If you prefer Lost in Space .. you are truly lost.  That was a dividing line in the 60s ... do you believe in progress or camp hijinks?  I used to believe in progress, so I used to prefer Star Trek.  But now I see that Vaudeville in space suits has its attractions.

[Atheon]

The new star wars was feminist, politically correct bullshit. I didn't know whether to laugh or cringe at the cinema.

How so?

[gentle_dissident]

The new star wars was feminist, politically correct bullshit. I didn't know whether to laugh or cringe at the cinema.

The Rebellion is about all of us. If it makes you feel any better, I found the young cast attractive.

do you believe in progress or camp hijinks?

Can't have one without the other. Although, I find it difficult to make it through a whole episode of Lost in Space. It's only on because it airs after Svengoolie. I'd rather watch Green Acres. I like Svengoolie, but I don't think I'd watch it if my GF didn't. I just don't watch much TV.

[Dionysiou]

How so?

The overly interracial cast felt forced (hah). Like they had to have every minority get screen time. The sassy white girl, dopey black guy leads were the icing on top.

The chick was just a pro at everything, moreso than anyone i've ever heard of.

Master mechanic- Gave Hans solo advice on how to fix his own ship, fuckin lol.

Professional Pilot- who the hell taught her to fly like that and with whose ship? Desert nomads? classic 

Force and lightsaber jedi- Able to use the force and a lightsaber skillfully with no prior training, even managing to beat an apprentice sith. Anyone else would have been wrecked. I wont even start on how the black dude had a crack too, essentially everyone was incompetent except for her. Immersion fatality. 

Her entire persona screamed "I'm a strong independent woman! I don't need no man!"

Cack

[Atheon]

The overly interracial cast felt forced (hah). Like they had to have every minority get screen time. The sassy white girl, dopey black guy leads were the icing on top.

So, an interracial cast makes it unacceptable? The only way for it to be acceptable is to have a cast of white men?

The chick was just a pro at everything, moreso than anyone i've ever heard of.

To be explained in upcoming episodes. My theory: she is Luke's daughter and was trained as a youngling before being left on a remote planet to protect her from the Jedi purge.

Her entire persona screamed "I'm a strong independent woman! I don't need no man!"

Unlike Princess Leia, who was a weak, simpering flower... no, wait...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2aTU1hQJRE

Having a strong female lead does NOT make a movie feminist propaganda.

[Hydra009]

So, an interracial cast makes it unacceptable? The only way for it to be acceptable is to have a cast of white men?

To be fair, going from a 99% male and 90% white cast (three human women total in the original trilogy, and only one with more than a couple lines of dialogue) to anything approaching parity is a hell of a jarring transition.  But yeah, I agree that it's not feminist propaganda or overly "PC" or anything like that.

[Dionysiou]

So, an interracial cast makes it unacceptable? The only way for it to be acceptable is to have a cast of white men?
To be explained in upcoming episodes. My theory: she is Luke's daughter and was trained as a youngling before being left on a remote planet to protect her from the Jedi purge.
Unlike Princess Leia, who was a weak, simpering flower... no, wait...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2aTU1hQJRE

Having a strong female lead does NOT make a movie feminist propaganda.

Yeh! I clearly wrote white men only.

Even being trained as a youngling does not equate to that much skill and knowledge. It's utter bullshit that kills the immersion.

Leia couldn't backup half of her sassyness. This girl would wreck her too.