Another Day, Another Shooting

[hrdlr110]

Guns by themselves are pretty benign as they don't generally fire themselves. It's people who have no training with them who scare me more than the guns.
It's pretty simple. In order to open a shop to cut hair you have to be trained and licensed. To operate a motor vehicle you have to have some training though not enough, but you do have to be licensed. To own and use a gun?  Nothing.  You need fingers.  That's where the biggest division comes from I think.
Training should be mandatory and until it is we'll keep hearing the same tired news and arguments.

I'm not sure that fingers are required to own a gun. I could be wrong, but doubt that would be part of the background check.

Yes, some training/certification process should be required considering the proven level of danger involved. I like how there are so many responsible gun owners out there......until they're not. The biggest problem is considering it a "right" fuck that "right", it should be a privilege - just like driving.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Never fired one, but my son as a reservist let me shoot an M249 SAW a few years ago. That was fun. Had my hands on some guns like Thompsons in the Navy, also fired a BAR. Probably the most accurate gun I fired was a Springfield M1A1 .308 with match ammo. Could put rounds into a 2 inch group all day at 100 yards.

It's almost a small cannon. If someone wanted to abuse it they could put 82 pounds of lead into the air each minute. The bullets are supersonic, so you can put 3-4 of them on a target before the sound of the shots get to them. And it can kill at four miles. (Obviously not aimed shots, but you can put out >750 rounds a minute, so you can adjust the fall of shot.)

[SGOS]

I'm not sure that fingers are required to own a gun. I could be wrong, but doubt that would be part of the background check.

This makes me start to wonder.  Might there be a better way to fire a gun?  Granted, a finger is a good way to fire a gun, but some guys are not as steady as others using that method.  I used to hunt with a bow.  When I started, everyone released the arrow from a three finger grip on the bow string.  Special three finger gloves were designed for the purpose.  In the early stages of the modern day bow mechanization, a mechanical one finger release was invented, and an incredible advancement in accuracy was achieved by using 1/3 of the fingers required to coordinate a release.  When firing a rifle, we are advised to breathe out and then hold our breath.  Greater accuracy is achieved by holding as much of our body still as is humanly possible.

While a single finger pulling on the trigger doesn't seem like much, it might be the single hardest remaining part left to master greater accuracy.  Now try this.  Move your finger in a simulated trigger pulling action.  Now try a gentle winking of an eye.  Which results in less extraneous bodily movement?  I'll bet tying the firing of a gun to an eye wink is possible, probably through some kind of electronic sensor, but I'll bet it would greatly tighten a target shooter's pattern.  If you are adverse to blinking while shooting, try swallowing or some other action.

Sounds like too much?  I supposed at one time shooting off a bench loaded with sand bags sounded kind of wimpy to a lot of people too.  Sometimes, I think about strange things.  Unfortunately, none of them has ever led me to patenting one of them into an idea that made me rich.

[baronvonrort]

We are just a fundamentally broken, dysfunctional society... or at least, have a large percentage of the population who fit this mold, far larger than any other civilized nation.

Sure, giving everyone and their hamster access to a device intended to launch a 7.5 gram hunk of metal at 1,300 feet per second at another person probably doesn't help, but a society that refuses to acknowledge that clearly has some issues...

Leftists like you say we should not judge all muslims by the devout ones in the Islamic state yet when it comes to firearms you judge all gun owners by the actions of criminals.

1300 fps, what are you shooting a .22lr or a shotgun, my .243 sends 58gr Vmax at 3900fps.

[TomFoolery]

Leftists like you say we should not judge all muslims by the devout ones in the Islamic state yet when it comes to firearms you judge all gun owners by the actions of criminals.

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. Gun advocates are the ones that make it about attacking gun owners. It's not about judging gun owners: it's about judging the necessity of guns. Gun advocates seem to hold them up as not only the gold standard of defending oneself, but essentially the only means of defending oneself. I think it's ironic actually that you compare a person with a gun to a devoutly religious Muslim, because sadly gun ownership in America is practically akin to any fundamentalist religion when you consider it's based on outdated notions found in a centuries old document and a lot of adherents will never miss a chance to show off their love of what they worship in the form of conceal and even open carry.

I don't get how gun advocates say "guns don't kill people, people kill people and I could kill you with a baseball bat or a knife or even a fork if I had to!" Well, then why don't you try using those things for self defense instead of guns and stop shooting holes in your own argument? A primary difference between guns and the other items in the list is that baseball bats are also used for playing baseball, knives are also used in a variety of useful functions from cutting one's steak to surgery, and forks are used to keep us from looking like slobs at the dinner table. Tell me, what are some other uses for guns besides killing things (or practicing to kill things at gun ranges)? Cracking walnuts? Doorstops? Back scratchers?

I actually don't hate guns. I used to be in the Army and slept next to one for over a year in Afghanistan. I just hate the arguments used to defend them because they're full of more holes than, ironically, a shooting target.

[Mike Cl]

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. Gun advocates are the ones that make it about attacking gun owners. It's not about judging gun owners: it's about judging the necessity of guns. Gun advocates seem to hold them up as not only the gold standard of defending oneself, but essentially the only means of defending oneself. I think it's ironic actually that you compare a person with a gun to a devoutly religious Muslim, because sadly gun ownership in America is practically akin to any fundamentalist religion when you consider it's based on outdated notions found in a centuries old document and a lot of adherents will never miss a chance to show off their love of what they worship in the form of conceal and even open carry.

I don't get how gun advocates say "guns don't kill people, people kill people and I could kill you with a baseball bat or a knife or even a fork if I had to!" Well, then why don't you try using those things for self defense instead of guns and stop shooting holes in your own argument? A primary difference between guns and the other items in the list is that baseball bats are also used for playing baseball, knives are also used in a variety of useful functions from cutting one's steak to surgery, and forks are used to keep us from looking like slobs at the dinner table. Tell me, what are some other uses for guns besides killing things (or practicing to kill things at gun ranges)? Cracking walnuts? Doorstops? Back scratchers?

I actually don't hate guns. I used to be in the Army and slept next to one for over a year in Afghanistan. I just hate the arguments used to defend them because they're full of more holes than, ironically, a shooting target.

This!

[TopCat]

Abortion-Ban it
Gay marriage-Ban it
Birth control-Ban it
Guns-Goverment has no right telling me what to do. Besides banning things don't work.

[Baruch]

Leftists like you say we should not judge all muslims by the devout ones in the Islamic state yet when it comes to firearms you judge all gun owners by the actions of criminals.

1300 fps, what are you shooting a .22lr or a shotgun, my .243 sends 58gr Vmax at 3900fps.

Fact is, King Louis XVI would devoutly wish that firearms not fall into the hands of the sans culottes.  I say, off with his head!