Denmark bans kosher and halal slaughter

[SilentFutility]

Ulterior motives or not, having laws which ensure animals are killed humanely, but giving people exceptions to kill animals without meeting humane criteria and stunning them just because of their beliefs is silly.

Regardless of what I believe I'm still held accountable to all the laws of my home country. I can't have beliefs that differ from legislation and simply be allowed to do as I please.

[Shiranu]

Oh, this story just get's better and better...

Number of Kosher slaughterhouses in Denmark = 0.
Number of Halal slaughterhouses in Demark = 0.
Years since killing without pre-stunning has been allowed, religious or not = 10.

So, tell me again how many animals this is helping? You want to help animals? Worry about how they are raised, not how they spend their last few minutes. A great quote from one article on the subject... even if it's from the guardian (note; not where I found the numbers above, I have spent the last 5 or 6 minutes trying to find any evidence of religious slaughter houses in Denmark and turned up blank every time).

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2014/feb/20/denmark-halal-kosha-slaughter-hypocrisy-animal-welfare

It seems to me obvious that the slaughter of animals at the end of their lives is of far less ethical importance than the way they are treated beforehand. The cruelties of factory farming extend over an animal's whole lifetime whereas the cruelty of ritual slaughter lasts minutes at most. To complain about the halal slaughter of battery chickens or factory farmed veal is a truly monstrous absurdity.

In a Danish context this is particularly obvious. The pig farming industry there, whose products are devoured by almost everyone in Europe who isn't an observant Jew of Muslim, is a monstrous engine of quotidian suffering, despite the pre-slaughter stunning. The new agriculture minister, Dan Jørgensen, has pointed out that 25,000 piglets a day die in Danish factory farms â€" they never even make it to the slaughterhouse; that half of the sows have open sores and 95% have their tails docked, a cruel (and under EU regulations, illegal) practice that is needed to stop them chewing and biting one another's tails in their concrete sheds.

So please, don't act like this is to protect the animals. It's not. It's cultural dick waving just to piss off the other guy. It is an non-issue and has been one for over 10 years. This law literally fixed NOTHING just to spit in the face of the other guy.

And halal is not some barbaric practice, nor does it prohibit pre-stunning... 80 to 90% of British halal meat is pre-stunned. Only kosher prohibits the stunning of the animal.

Note; This is also a country that just recently shot, killed and dissected a giraffe in front of vistors because it was "surplus".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26734377

But yes, animal rights... they are clearly all about that.

[SilentFutility]

I still stand by my point that it is not okay to have a special exception to a law because you are religious.

However, with regards to everything else surrounding this specific situation, it would seem that you are correct.

[TomFoolery]

I still stand by my point that it is not okay to have a special exception to a law because you are religious.

But is having an exception to the law permissible if the exception holds them to standards generally higher than the law?

[drunkenshoe]

This is not about animal rights. This is a declaration that NO religious beliefs what's so ever is above some regulations needed to maintain civilisation. No special treatment. Period.

Also, it's highly likely to cut down migration. Perfectly understandable. Please do not fuck up the civilastion zones people managed to create because of your religion. You want to live there, fine. ADAPT!

It really doesn't matter that Denmark has no halal and kosher slaughter houses. Because this is the main reason why Denmark is able to do such a thing in the first place. 'Christian' companies make a huge amount of money from kosher and halal. So they really don't care about 'religous freedom' or animal rights either. It's fucking MONEY.

Heads up, none of the countries with a considerable amount of Jewish or Islamic communites will do this, because it would cause a lot of trouble and also illegal slaughter houses would quadruple over a night. There would be social disorder...etc. But of course the propaganda will always be "We respect religious beliefs". My ass. If this wasn't a matter of business, they would ban it decades ago.

I get Shiranu's point. Yes, I am sure they liked that it pissed off the religous groups. So did I. Because these people need to adapt or need to be forced to adapt. They can pray and tell their gods that 'evil infidels' on earth do not let them have their eid the way he wanted.

I think TomFoolery expressed it very good. If your religion is supporting inflicting pain on animals which we ALREADY take their lives to feed ourselves, FUCK your religion. And if you are unwilling to modify that someone hopefully will. 

I fully support it. Congrats Denmark.


Now Denmark, BAN male circumcision!