Biker gang shootout in of all places..TEXAS..of course..

[drunkenshoe]

It's not about who is actually killing who, it's about how the media (and society in general) portray the different killings.

Naaah, he is completely aware what is going on.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Seems to me we're trying to use terror in a strictly political sense being most gangs aren't so political, but in many cases they are indeed political. When you come into a town and use fear and intimidation to scare the public and police you don't get much more political than that..You're telling the town and the authority to fuck off, you'll do as you damn well please and ignore the local and even federal law..You'll murder and threaten people to get your way? That's not terror and by extension terrorism? Bullshit.. Just because you're not invited to the table in the UN or Washington doesn't exclude you from jack shit..

[Shiranu]

Terrorism is commonly defined as violent acts (or the threat of violent acts) intended to create fear (terror), perpetrated for an economic,[1] religious, political, or ideological goal, and which deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians).

I don't see the point in arguing over if motorcycle gang terrorism is or isn't political, since terrorism is not strictly political anyways.

[drunkenshoe]

Seems to me we're trying to use terror in a strictly political sense being most gangs aren't so political, but in many cases they are indeed political. When you come into a town and use fear and intimidation to scare the public and police you don't get much more political than that..You're telling the town and the authority to fuck off, you'll do as you damn well please and ignore the local and even federal law..You'll murder and threaten people to get your way? That's not terror and by extension terrorism? Bullshit.. Just because you're not invited to the table in the UN or Washington doesn't exclude you from jack shit..

You have a point. You are right. But, and that's a big BUT, the definition of going against the authority by commiting a violent crime  AND going against the authority by commiting a violent crime according to spread a specific ideology are different, APA.

Gangs members attack each other. Mostly for profit. And yes, sometimes innocent people die, but the other ONLY AIMS to attack and kill innocent people. Gang members are not 'civilians' in this sense. E:  They are armed, vigilant, able to protect themselves. There is direct profit and benefit, intimidation in the act. On the other hand, the other doesn't care about the immediate benefit or proft. Purpose is different.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

The thing is Shoe..politics is all about control and money and little else when you get right down to it. If anyone thinks that the gangs involved in this little dispute wouldn't gladly take control of the entire state of Texas and install their own puppet government  if given the opportunity they're delusional.

[drunkenshoe]

The thing is Shoe..politics is all about control and money and little else when you get right down to it. If anyone thinks that the gangs involved in this little dispute wouldn't gladly take control of the entire state of Texas and install their own puppet government  if given the opportunity they're delusional.

OK. Yes, but control is also all about people believing that they are safe and can go with their lives as they wish. So they can spend money, practise their 'freedom' to spend that money. Esp. for Western societies in the superior sense. Now, which one is a bigger threat -besides, providing money in international terms- the existence of a dark evil ideology that kills innocents at every opportunity, every where possible OR the old gangs getting into with each other as they have been for a long time? 

Other than that, yes we agree. But now, we live in a global village.

[PopeyesPappy]

Foot stomping and temper tantrums are your swim lane not mine, Shoe. Once again though, I said in my first post and again in my second one that most violent crime is intraracial. Whites mostly kill whites and blacks mostly kill blacks. Blacks just do it at a higher percentage of their demographic than whites.

Yep, I'm a white guy. There is a black guy sitting in the office 2 doors down that does the same type of work I do. The chances of either of us being murdered are very remote, but he is 6 times more likely to be murdered than I am. He is 6.6 time more likely to be murdered by another black than I am by another white. I am not that worried about it, and I doubt he is either but he has more reason to worry than I do.

[drunkenshoe]

Foot stomping and temper tantrums are your swim lane not mine, Shoe.

Is it, now? Show me my tantrum please. Your whole argument is based on statistics of chances. And I am having a tantrum? 

Once again though, I said in my first post and again in my second one that most violent crime is intraracial. Whites mostly kill whites and blacks mostly kill blacks. Blacks just do it at a higher percentage of their demographic than whites.

by 5-7 % in 2011.

Yep, I'm a white guy.

You didn't need to tell that, it's obvious. I'm an asian, nice to meet you. 

There is a black guy sitting in the office 2 doors down that does the same type of work I do. The chances of either of us being murdered are very remote, but he is 6 times more likely to be murdered than I am. He is 6.6 time more likely to be murdered by another black than I am by another white. I am not that worried about it, and I doubt he is either but he has more reason to worry than I do.

Not the point at all. So Shiranu was right, everything that is said just went over your head.

Let's hope, your and your society's convictions and 'freedom' will catch up to reality. You have two phases. Constant denial of what's happening as the white crime rate goes up -because it will-  produce excuses on how all of you are just the victims and secondly, how it wasn't like this or that before you know what in the country -some time far far away. Christian society reached the second phase in your country and aiming far beyond, for your info. 

[Mike Cl]

Terrorism.  What is a good definition?  I have yet to find one.  Fear seems to be a big component of it.  If that is so, then it seems to me that terrorism is as old as the human race--and older.  I would imagine that the earliest human groups used fear to subdue or control other groups.  All wars use fear.  All conflicts, whether or not war, uses fear.  It seems to me that it is almost useless to use the word, 'terrorism'.  It doesn't mean much.

[Solitary]

And I thought my post was going to get people riled up. If it did, it was just my opinion from my experience, but there is no doubt that even though the majority of gang member are not all crazy, there definitely are, and some as a group are very dangerous, but even then not as dangerous to society as the movies and police believe. We may not like it, but a lot of Christian motor cycle gangs and military cycle gangs really do good charity work, even some notorious ones do. The stigma that society has for anyone involved in the marijuana trade just because the government is mistaken calling it a narcotic, which it isn't, is causing the problem with blacks and motorcycle gangs, as well as rock N Roll musicians. When's the last time you heard of a rich man or his children incarcerated for pot smoking or selling, while the companies sell liquor, and the most dangerous of all drugs cigarette products, and the over production of pharmaceuticals just for profit? We know who the law maker are that make the laws that allow this, don't we? How are all our government wars working out for everyone?  Solitary

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Point being that if you're going to wear the garb and ride around on the bikes to "appear " to look like a gang member then don't whine and bitch that society is going to assume you're part of the same gangs. It's not AS IF biker gangs all dress up in business attire carrying brief cases and only wear the custume for sport and entertainment purposes..

[Shiranu]

Point being that if you're going to wear the garb and ride around on the bikes to "appear " to look like a gang member then don't whine and bitch that society is going to assume you're part of the same gangs. It's not AS IF biker gangs all dress up in business attire carrying brief cases and only wear the custume for sport and entertainment purposes..

A local guy who's dad was one of the ones shot and killed had this to say (paraphrased)...

"My dad was a great guy, he wasn't a gangster. Yes he road with the gang often, and he paid dues so he could wear the patches on his jacket and ride around with them, but he wasn't a gangster."

Gee, I cant imagine how people thought he was part of a the gang. I'm sure it had nothing to do (to play off the comic) with his thug attire with gang markings, or the fact he was riding with a gang full of people with the exact same patches.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

A local guy who's dad was one of the ones shot and killed had this t

A local guy who's dad was one of the ones shot and killed had this to say (paraphrased)...

"My dad was a great guy, he wasn't a gangster. Yes he road with the gang often, and he paid dues so he could wear the patches on his jacket and ride around with them, but he wasn't a gangster."

Gee, I cant imagine how people thought he was part of a the gang. I'm sure it had nothing to do (to play off the comic) with his thug attire with gang markings, or the fact he was riding with a gang full of people with the exact same patches.

es he road with the gang often, and he paid dues so he could wear the patches on his jacket and ride around with them, but he wasn't a gangster."

Gee, I cant imagine how people thought he was part of a the gang. I'm sure it had nothing to do (to play off the comic) with his thug attire with gang markings, or the fact he was riding with a gang full of people with the exact same patches.

Hey, back when I injected heroin in my veins and hung out with other guys who did it too didn't make me a heroin addict..I mean I only did it about 6 times a day for 15-20 years,  but I was no addict..