Stranger Assaults 7-YO Kid for Litter, Mother and Sister Thrown In Jail Instead

[Shiranu]

If the kid wasnt out littering, the guy wouldnt have needed the kid to take responsibility for his actions.  Just pick up the fuckin litter and move on.  Normal encounter.  Abnormal/antisocial behavior?  Avoiding responsibility.  Treating other persons property unlike how you are expected to behave at home.  Do unto others then split.

7 years old, ya think he would have been held accountable if he threw paper on the floor at school?  Made to pick it up?  What if he refused?

Corporal punishment still legal in Texas, so much so, parents must opt-out or consent is implied.

Still not his place to commit an act of assault.


Edit: On corporal punishment in Texas; It's funny you mention that, because it only proves my point. My mom was a teacher in Texas for 23 years, and she WAS NOT allowed to lay hands on a student. That is NOT her job, that was the principles.

Likewise, it WAS NOT this guy's job to take the law into his own hands. Your last sentence, when analyzed, completely refutes your entire point once you understand that rules and regulations of Texas corporal punishment.

If the kid would have picked up his litter, all is well.  If mama would have gone to the neighbor and taught her kid to respect other peoples property, all is well.  This whole incident was caused by 1. the kid and 2. the mom.

I lived in a 'welfare' apt for a while.  around 1/2 of the renters were welfare moms, the rest of us were young single persons.  All the moms kept the kids in line, regardless of whos kid they were.  As a newcomer, you didn't get that authority with other peoples kids, but once you were known to be 'normal', those kids were expected to respect the other adults living there.

The white guy acted Normally.   Even you don't believe the kid was 'choked' right?  Do you admit even that possibility, that the kid was grabbed and made to pick up his litter because he DEFIED (mom's words in the video) the authority of the property owner?

There is much to be said for the ethics of those welfare moms about how we get along when living in the same building.  Applies well to the block, the neighborhood, etc.

Still not his place to commit an act of assault.

Cop gets a call about a kid being choked.  Amp up the cops with a serious allegation of choking a kid.   Finds out Not a choke but a litterbug being made to pick up his mess.  Cop realizes Mom is another one of those people who doesn't take responsibility. Not my angel... my baby boy would never...  you're just pissing me off...

Yeah momma bear, you just pissed off the cop who should be out looking for real criminals, instead wasting time/money on your pissant kid who was made to clean up his own mess.

Not the cop's place or job to pass judgment.

The officer did his job.  Officers have a LOT of authority when called and thats why you call cops as a LAST resort.   I am unsure where this dream world you live in exists, but even the daughter knew mama was getting out of hand, which is why she jumped in and tried to push her away from the cop. 

Waving your arms can be considered a threat.  Raising your voice when talking to police can be considered disorderly conduct.  You cannot take a step towards an officer without being instructed to do so or you risk arrest.  And I saw all of these behaviors before the arrest happened in that video. 

Additionally, its right there in the video.  "prove it" when asked about the littering.  "...because he defied him" [the neighbor saying pick up your trash].  Mom knew dammed well her kid instigated and accelerated this and was more than willing to accelerate this further with the 'choking' claim.

Still not the cop's place or job to pass judgment, nor in a civilized nation his place to escalate the situation, as the city and PD confirmed. His role is to deescalate situations and seek a peaceful resolution, which he did the exact opposite of by instantly accusing the woman of being a terrible parent and making no motions to find an equable solution for everyone. That is not my dream world, that is the simple reality of the justice system, as confirmed by the city, the PD and the public's reaction.

I want to say I don't know where your dream world is that cops have carte blanc to escalate situations into violence because they don't like someone, but sadly I do; the third world. Authoritarian societies. Corrupt societies. And apparently the United States in the mind of way too many people.

Name me one other job (besides the military, I suppose) where people are so quick to defend people for not doing what they are paid to do, and infact do the exact opposite? I honestly cant think of one.

Nope, I don't think the cop should lose his job over this.

Me neither.


Tl;dr - Cop's jobs aren't to blame the victim, they are to maintain order. Cop did not do that. Let the woman and daughter go, tell both parties that it won't be appreciated if the PD has to show up again, and everyone move on with their life. Everyone is happy, and we don't throw more fuel on an already out-of-control fire of mistrust between minorities, the lower classes in general, and the police.

[Shiranu]

In Singapore, people, even children who put used gum in public places ... get caning with bamboo canes ;-(

Poetically enough, that seems to be the law system many white Americans want, since it won't effect them directly (until they realise one of their own children isn't a picture perfect saint and is getting caned before a crowd for putting graffiti under the bridge).

To a small extent, I don't have a problem with the Singaporean style of governance. It is a different culture, and one they seem to not mind... as well as the city-state itself doing quite well for itself. It's just not one that would work for Americans, particularly those of us who like to say, "Freedom is more important than anything else!".

The government in Singapore has broad powers to limit citizens' rights and to inhibit political opposition. In 2015, Singapore was ranked 153rd out of 175 nations by Reporters Without Borders in the Worldwide Press Freedom Index.

Freedom in the World scored Singapore 4 out of 7 for political freedom, and 4 out of 7 for civil liberties (where 1 is the most free), with an overall ranking of "partly free" for the year 2015.

Singapore enforces the death penalty by hanging and has, according to Amnesty International, one of the world's highest execution rates relative to its population.[3]

So when you say...

But sewing the lips shut on gum chewers who toss their used gum on sidewalks should be implemented nation wide.  Just enough for them to use a straw to drink their food.  Open for suggestions on how long, not recomending lifetime liquid diet.

I want to believe your are joking, but incase you are not (and given your rage against the kid, it's hard to know), just realise this is the type of government you are advocating for. And as a white male, that might seem okay, it won't effect you directly unless you have kids who turn out to not be saints... but America is not Singapore and does not apply the law equally to all people. The stricter laws are going to, and have already proven to have, effect minorities and the weak far more than it will whoever has more power; be it economic-political or ethnic power.

[chill98]

In Singapore, people, even children who put used gum in public places ... get caning with bamboo canes ;-(

Looked it up.  Does not appear to be true. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32090420

This site claims improper gum disposal is a heavy fine:

http://www.guiddoo.com/singapore-travel-guide/laws-for-tourists-in-singapore/

[aitm]

Society evolves, maybe not always for the better. When many of us were young any adult who caught you "mis-behaving" could smack you upside the head. The difference then perhaps, was that they would also go to your home and tell your parents what you did, what they did, and most always received and apology from the parent and in some cases were able to witness the sure to come ass-whippin from said parent. I won't get into the toilet bowl discussion of whether "we" were more respectful and polite than kids today, but I know all my brothers and sisters were and ever kid I ever grew up with.

I remember the flack Hillary got many years ago for her book, "It takes a village", never read it, but where I grew up, every parent was the eyes and ears of every other parent, so yes, where I grew up, it did not take a village, by goddamn it they were all involved.

[Baruch]

Punishment of juvenile delinquency in Singapore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay

It is used for over 30 misdemeanors.  in addition, Singapore has the highest execution rate relative to population.

[chill98]

Still not his place to commit an act of assault.

Texas law on assault has a heavy lean towards 'with intent to cause bodily harm'. 

Edit: On corporal punishment in Texas; It's funny you mention that, because it only proves my point. My mom was a teacher in Texas for 23 years, and she WAS NOT allowed to lay hands on a student. That is NOT her job, that was the principles.

Your point was No one gets to touch anyone and you used state employees as an example.  That is untrue as demonstrated by what would be an assault charge (corporal punishment); which is a whole bunch different from making a kid pick up his mess. 

And marching an unruly child down to the principals office is not assault via grabbing a refusing student by the collar, shoulder, to get them to comply.

A policy against such is not a law against such and is reflected of the attitude of mom in the video.  "he cant put his hands on my kid" and the cop asks, "why not?"  The law is about intent to cause bodily harm, not about intent to get a litterbug to pick up his mess.

Likewise, it WAS NOT this guy's job to take the law into his own hands. Your last sentence, when analyzed, completely refutes your entire point once you understand that rules and regulations of Texas corporal punishment.

Not the cop's place or job to pass judgment.

Cops use their judgement every single day at every single incident.  It is the difference between a warning and a summons.  Without that ability, there would be no warning citations.  And I for one appreciate the chance to get a warning for a speed limit exceeded or a seat belt not buckled.

Still not the cop's place or job to pass judgment, nor in a civilized nation his place to escalate the situation, as the city and PD confirmed. His role is to deescalate situations and seek a peaceful resolution, which he did the exact opposite of by instantly accusing the woman of being a terrible parent and making no motions to find an equable solution for everyone. That is not my dream world, that is the simple reality of the justice system, as confirmed by the city, the PD and the public's reaction.

BS.  This dream world you live in gets more and more unpleasant with each of your assertions.   See above on ability to issue warning tickets.  He was trying to get mom to settle down by pointing out her childs lack of ethics when expanding his freedom (roaming the neighborhood unsupervised).

Your a parent.  You are walking down the street with your kid.  Kid opens up his popsicle and tosses the wrapper on the ground.  I am guessing you stop and make the kid pick it up cuz its just not right to litter.

Cuz if you didn't make the kid pick it up, you would be a bad parent.

I want to say I don't know where your dream world is that cops have carte blanc to escalate situations into violence because they don't like someone, but sadly I do; the third world. Authoritarian societies. Corrupt societies. And apparently the United States in the mind of way too many people.

I suppose it starts with knowing the cop didn't escalate the situation, momma did.  Momma began hollering at the cop, it is clear in the video the policeman did not raise his voice. He warned her about that escalation and clearly the daughter recognized mom was escalating the situation.  Probably from plenty of experience with mama's temper.

And I am sure during her day in court, mama will present herself in a wholly acceptable demeanor, showing that mama does know how to behave and present herself as a reasonable adult.

Name me one other job (besides the military, I suppose) where people are so quick to defend people for not doing what they are paid to do, and infact do the exact opposite? I honestly cant think of one.

well... because your interpretation of what the cops job/duty was in this situation is different from all these others.

Tl;dr - Cop's jobs aren't to blame the victim, they are to maintain order. Cop did not do that. Let the woman and daughter go, tell both parties that it won't be appreciated if the PD has to show up again, and everyone move on with their life. Everyone is happy, and we don't throw more fuel on an already out-of-control fire of mistrust between minorities, the lower classes in general, and the police.

Cop didn't blame the victim.  Cop did not intend to arrest anyone but mama escalated the situation with her behavior, and lied about the situation.  Choking a kid is a serious charge that does not appear to have happened in this case.  But mama knew that calling 911 cuz the neighbor made her kid pick up litter was not going to bring the response she wanted.

The mistrust is self-inflicted.  do unto others, then split is not an acceptable code of ethics and is the basic foundation of the majority of problems in this society.

[chill98]

Punishment of juvenile delinquency in Singapore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay

It is used for over 30 misdemeanors.  in addition, Singapore has the highest execution rate relative to population.

Not gum chewing as you claimed.  Only point I was making.

[Baruch]

Not gum chewing as you claimed.  Only point I was making.

So?  Do lots of things that are unpunished here ... get corporal punishment there.  We don't even punish corrupt politicians and war mongers.