TTP,TTIP And TISA Strategy To Create A Global Superower

Started by stromboli, August 02, 2016, 10:53:56 PM

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SGOS

Everyone who isn't in a coma should be aware this is the direction we are going.  Except for some specific dots that have been connected in the video and the naming of specific countries participating or excluded, I don't find any of this shocking.  I never liked it, and it is reprehensible, but it doesn't strike me as some conspiracy hidden from the public view.  Well OK, some of the mechanics of the infrastructure have been hidden from view, and maybe some people in power have had their secret emails leaked by WikiLeaks, but whether the leaks expose any connections to corporate domination, I couldn't tell you because I have never read an actual Wikileak. 

But in defense of Julian Assange, he is to modern day government officials what the average Joe Blow was to Stalin.  He poses a threat that may expose them.  He has the audacity to print what public officials say.  He doesn't make things up or slander them like the media attempts to do.  He simply prints the things they say and leaves it up to them to take responsibility for what they said.  And for this, they want to throw him in a dark jail and shut him up.

Sounds like something nefarious might be "afoot," wouldn't you say?  Welcome to the world we live in.

stromboli

Assange is an avid foe of Clinton and has made efforts to defame her. Not sure if he has an endgame or not in anything, or just likes to fuck with people. ("some people just like to watch the world burn......")

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/politics/assange-timed-wikileaks-release-of-democratic-emails-to-harm-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

Assange takes Clinton's efforts as being against a free press. Have no idea personally. But by comparison, is a world run by corporate America worse than one where China and other super powers dominate? To my mind its more or less making obvious what is already occurring. Those in power like to maintain status quo or up the ante.

SGOS

Quote from: stromboli on August 03, 2016, 11:07:36 AM
Assange is an avid foe of Clinton and has made efforts to defame her. Not sure if he has an endgame or not in anything, or just likes to fuck with people. ("some people just like to watch the world burn......")

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/politics/assange-timed-wikileaks-release-of-democratic-emails-to-harm-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

Assange takes Clinton's efforts as being against a free press. Have no idea personally. But by comparison, is a world run by corporate America worse than one where China and other super powers dominate? To my mind its more or less making obvious what is already occurring. Those in power like to maintain status quo or up the ante.

I had to Google Assange, in order to make sure how to spell Assange, and I ended up with a whole bunch of hits about Assange  criticizing Clinton, which did make me wonder what his agenda was.  It makes him seem more political than an advocate for truth or freedom. I didn't read any of his comments about Hillary, but the headliners were scathing.  I didn't see anything negative about Trump.  As an advocate of the status quo, Hillary would be a part of the corporate power base, but why not Trump?

And if so, what would Assange's motivations be?  Fame?  Power?  Watching the world burn?  I think it's going burn with or without his commentary, so he doesn't seem like a major player to me.  And from what I can tell, the Republicans hate him too.

stromboli

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Quote from: SGOS on August 03, 2016, 11:24:02 AM
I had to Google Assange, in order to make sure how to spell Assange, and I ended up with a whole bunch of hits about Assange  criticizing Clinton, which did make me wonder what his agenda was.  It makes him seem more political than an advocate for truth or freedom. I didn't read any of his comments about Hillary, but the headliners were scathing.  I didn't see anything negative about Trump.  As an advocate of the status quo, Hillary would be a part of the corporate power base, but why not Trump?

And if so, what would Assange's motivations be?  Fame?  Power?  Watching the world burn?  I think it's going burn with or without his commentary, so he doesn't seem like a major player to me.  And from what I can tell, the Republicans hate him too.

Which is why I wonder if he has a long term strategy or is just setting fires. My take is he is using wikileaks to settle grudges at this point. But that distracts from the issue. I am not an economist or politically savvy enough to argue one way or the other, but if people I respect like Elizabeth Warren are against it, I tend to lean that way. the worst issue is that if you place overall power in the hands of multinational corporations- which already have plenty of power- they can simply ignore issues they should be dealing with like climate change. That type of willful ignorance is destructive to everyone. 

SGOS

Quote from: stromboli on August 03, 2016, 12:20:58 PM
Which is why I wonder if he has a long term strategy or is just setting fires.

I have always wondered about this too.  Why would anyone put themselves in that much hot water to hack and expose?  What does he gain overall?  A sense of satisfaction in righting great wrongs?  First of all, does he really expose many great wrongs?  I suppose you could make that case, but I think it would be a stretch.  He's mostly just a glorified gossip columnist.  When he leaks an email that exposes some leaders hypocrisy, does anyone really think this is a great revelation?  We all suspected as much all along. 


PopeyesPappy

I have little doubt the people presenting this information have an agenda because of the information they are leaving out. They would like us to believe this is some US led conspiracy, but what they aren't telling us is that countries like China, India, Russia and Brazil aren't interested in entering into free trade agreements with the US. Free trade works both ways, and they don't want to open their markets to unrestricted US goods. They want unrestricted access to world markets, but want to restrict access to theirs.
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stromboli

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on August 03, 2016, 12:54:40 PM
I have little doubt the people presenting this information have an agenda because of the information they are leaving out. They would like us to believe this is some US led conspiracy, but what they aren't telling us is that countries like China, India, Russia and Brazil aren't interested in entering into free trade agreements with the US. Free trade works both ways, and they don't want to open their markets to unrestricted US goods. They want unrestricted access to world markets, but want to restrict access to theirs.

Yes. Like I said, I am only going from what people like E. Warren are saying.

mauricio

Quote from: SGOS on August 03, 2016, 11:24:02 AM
I had to Google Assange, in order to make sure how to spell Assange, and I ended up with a whole bunch of hits about Assange  criticizing Clinton, which did make me wonder what his agenda was.  It makes him seem more political than an advocate for truth or freedom. I didn't read any of his comments about Hillary, but the headliners were scathing.  I didn't see anything negative about Trump.  As an advocate of the status quo, Hillary would be a part of the corporate power base, but why not Trump?

And if so, what would Assange's motivations be?  Fame?  Power?  Watching the world burn?  I think it's going burn with or without his commentary, so he doesn't seem like a major player to me.  And from what I can tell, the Republicans hate him too.

Something that you might be missing is that a lot of those articles were written by biased reporters who have been raising a stink around Assange not the other way around. The way I have seen this spat between Assange and the american media evolve in the past few months has been that of many publications writing negative things against Wikileak/Assange after he leaked negative things about Hillary/dnc and then he responded to the controversies on his twitter and this generated more articles to be written about it. But yes Assange is attacking Clinton pretty hard lately, he is also pretty explicit about his bias, he has said he has proof that Hillary is corrupt so he must not like her at all. Also he thinks that the USA is a modern empire exerting undue power around the world.

Baruch

Assange and Snowden are egomaniacs ... with a martyr complex added in.  Their agenda may be more psychological than political.  But like the recent leak from Panama ... what was amazing wasn't what was in it, but what was left out.

Yes, one world government, under corporations, run by billionaires like Trump.  Hillary is a front person for them.
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