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Laws behind pregnancy.

Started by Alex Shouwls, September 01, 2013, 07:45:24 PM

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Plu

I actually agree with Alex. It's ridiculous that in the case of an accidental pregnancy the woman gets to decide whether or not the man's going to be stuck with child support payments for the next 18 years.

It's ridiculous to say that the man should get any say in whether or not the woman has an abortion since it's her body, but it's equally ridiculous to say that the woman can force the man into paying her for the next 18 years, when he doesn't want anything to do with the child.

Of course, this kind of decision should have to be made at the start of a pregnancy and be very final. Once you both decide to have a baby, you're both stuck with it. But it's weird that in the case of an accidental pregnancy the woman gets a say in how she spends the next 18 years, but the man gets no choice at all.

SGOS

Quote from: "Alex Shouwls"If a man accidentally conceives a child with a woman, and does not want to raise the child with her, what are his choices? Surprisingly, he has few options in the United States. He can urge her to seek an abortion, but ultimately that decision is hers to make. Should she decide to continue the pregnancy and raise the child, and should she or our government attempt to establish him as the legal father, he can be stuck with years of child support payments.
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Jason78

Quote from: "Alex Shouwls"Tell me what you think. :-?

I think that if you don't want to have to deal with the consequences of sticking your cock in a woman, then you shouldn't be sticking your cock in women.
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Plu

Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "Alex Shouwls"Tell me what you think. :-?

I think that if you don't want to have to deal with the consequences of sticking your cock in a woman, then you shouldn't be sticking your cock in women.

Sounds like a double standard when we fight real hard (and rightly so) for women to have the option of not having to deal with the consequences of having a man stick a cock in them.

Jason78

Quote from: "Plu"
Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "Alex Shouwls"Tell me what you think. :-?

I think that if you don't want to have to deal with the consequences of sticking your cock in a woman, then you shouldn't be sticking your cock in women.

Sounds like a double standard when we fight real hard (and rightly so) for women to have the option of not having to deal with the consequences of having a man stick a cock in them.

It would only be a double standard if both parties stood the same chance of getting pregnant.
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Plu

Considering that both sides pretty much lose 18 years of their life, I'd say they are both equally likely to "get pregnant". Just because the kid grows inside the woman doesn't mean the guy won't be stuck with the kid for 18 years because of law, with no say whatsoever in the matter.

Jason78

What's your solution then?  At the moment there's no law requiring either party to look after the child if they don't really want to.  If neither the mother nor the father wish to raise the child then they can always give the baby up for adoption.
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Alex Shouwls

Quote from: "Jason78"What's your solution then?  At the moment there's no law requiring either party to look after the child if they don't really want to.  If neither the mother nor the father wish to raise the child then they can always give the baby up for adoption.
What on earth are you talking about? :-k

Plu

My personal solution, imperfect but at least I think implementable, would be like so:

The female decides whether or not she wants to keep the child. The male gets no say, because it's not his body. If the female decides to keep the child, she is now responsible for it and required to care for it. Then the male decides whether or not he wants the responsibility. If he does, he is the legal father and required to care for and monitarily support the child. If he does not want the responsibility, he is irrevocably denied all rights to the child or mother, but does not need to support it in any way either.

There's still a few gaps in there (including "father wants the child but mother does not") but I see no reasonable and practical solutions for those at this time. But it should at least give each involved party a choice in how they want their own life to play out, without giving them the option to fuck over the other side in any way.

Alex Shouwls

Quote from: "Plu"My personal solution, imperfect but at least I think implementable, would be like so:

The female decides whether or not she wants to keep the child. The male gets no say, because it's not his body. If the female decides to keep the child, she is now responsible for it and required to care for it. Then the male decides whether or not he wants the responsibility. If he does, he is the legal father and required to care for and monitarily support the child. If he does not want the responsibility, he is irrevocably denied all rights to the child or mother, but does not need to support it in any way either.

There's still a few gaps in there (including "father wants the child but mother does not") but I see no reasonable and practical solutions for those at this time. But it should at least give each involved party a choice in how they want their own life to play out, without giving them the option to fuck over the other side in any way.
I would start something like this woman who got accidentally pregnant shows legal documents to father of a child before its too late for abortion then man decides whether or not he is willing to support child or should he help to pay for medical bills for abortion and that is before woman decides whether or not she should have an abortion.
This way woman will know how much support she can give to her child and make her see that its better to not take chances on your children's happiness.

Plu

Yeah the chronological order in my post is only to show the decision tree. Obviously it would be best that both sides discuss things together before any decisions are made, but my description shows all possible paths that can be taken.

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Plu

If you have something to say, you can just say it. If you have nothing to say, you can also make posts like that.

Fidel_Castronaut

Both parents should do what's right for the child and go fuck themselves the moment they start to decide what's best for them above and beyond that position.

This applies to both men and women. I know, i'm an idealist.
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Alex Shouwls

Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Both parents should do what's right for the child and go fuck themselves the moment they start to decide what's best for them above and beyond that position.

This applies to both men and women. I know, i'm an idealist.
I support the idea that parents have way too easy this days they are responsible for so much and law needs to punish them much better if they screw up raising a mentally healthy child.
But terrible thing about it is that some people choose to have a child even if they don't have any support for them.
its like well man isn't ready to be a father.
woman isn't ready to be a mother.
but woman will demand father to pay money so we have half ass work on how to raise child
for us to have a healthy children I think its better if we make people who choose to gamble on children's lives
to not get away with injustice and bully their way threw by well lord gave me a vegaina there for I need to have a special rights
so you see if you have read my first post; i think you would support this position.