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Started by _Xenu_, August 20, 2013, 05:17:38 PM

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surly74

Quote from: "Solitary"I would fool around with that stuff too much. I was being funny and told my younger son to look up Kwajalein (It was top secret at the time) on the internet and see what he finds. He got a reply back asking him why he was interested in them. A few minutes later the phone rang and I had to explain to them that I was  just having fun with my son. They didn't think it was funny. Scared the crap out of my son when the screen on his computer went weird and the message appeared in red asking him who he was. As if they didn't know. They take this stuff very serious. Solitary

i don't believe this for a second.

so secret they've had a facebook page since 2010

https://www.facebook.com/USArmyKwajaleinAtoll
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stromboli

As an aircraft welder, I built stuff for Kwajalein back in the 70's. It was a launch point for Star Wars. We built the trailers that they shipped the 2nd stage boosters on. It might've had some classification then, but neither myself nor the other people involved had clearances and we were told openly where the stuff was headed.

Solitary

Quote from: "surly74"
Quote from: "Solitary"I would fool around with that stuff too much. I was being funny and told my younger son to look up Kwajalein (It was top secret at the time) on the internet and see what he finds. He got a reply back asking him why he was interested in them. A few minutes later the phone rang and I had to explain to them that I was  just having fun with my son. They didn't think it was funny. Scared the crap out of my son when the screen on his computer went weird and the message appeared in red asking him who he was. As if they didn't know. They take this stuff very serious. Solitary

i don't believe this for a second.

so secret they've had a facebook page since 2010

https://www.facebook.com/USArmyKwajaleinAtoll


Thanks for calling me a liar! At the time that was top secret even if it isn't now. I'm talking about when it was being built. Is that all you do is try to find faults with what people say here?  :roll:  Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Solitary

Quote from: "bericks999"The Kwajalein Atoll has never been anything close to secret since the internet has existed.


Isn't obvious I'm talking about it when it was being built?  :-o Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

surly74

Quote from: "Solitary"Thanks for calling me a liar! At the time that was top secret even if it isn't now. I'm talking about when it was being built. Is that all you do is try to find faults with what people say here?  :roll:  Solitary

this is why.

QuoteI was being funny and told my younger son to look up Kwajalein (It was top secret at the time) on the internet and see what he finds

maybe you aren't a liar...maybe you are just grandpa simpson.

start a thread telling us how having an onion tied to your belt was the style at the time.
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Solitary

#20
It was obviously being built before 1961.

In December 1961, the first Nike Zeus was launched from Kwajalein. In 1962, a historic launch was made in which the outgoing Zeus came within lethal range of an incoming Atlas rocket. In May 1963, the Zeus demonstrated its ability to intercept an object in orbit.

At this time, radar limitations forced the program to evolve into the Nike X program. Nike X employed a modified Zeus missile for long-range intercepts and used the Sprint for point defense. The new accompanying test radars required additional construction and, again PMZ received the contract. Meek Island, located 19 miles north of Kwajalein, was chosen to host many of the new facilities. For safety, natives from nearby islands had to be relocated. Overcrowding at the relocation site of Ebeye remained a source of tension for many years.

In July 1964, the Navy transferred Kwajalein to Army control and the facility became known as the Kwajalein Test Site. At Meek Island, construction centered around a control building that housed a phased-array radar. Completed in the fall of 1967, this facility served as a prototype of the type of structure envisioned for the Sentinel anti-ballistic missile (ABM) system. The modified Nike Zeus, renamed Spartan, was first successfully launched from Kwajalein's Mt. Olympus in the spring of 1968. Unfortunately, the construction of sister launch cells on Meek Island ran into extreme seepage problems, delaying activation until 1970.

Renamed in April 1968, as the Kwajalein Missile Range, the atoll base came under the jurisdiction of the Sentinel Systems Command. In March 1968, Sentinel Systems Command became Safeguard Systems Command.

Meanwhile, in 1968, Project PRESS had become a joint-service activity and was reorganized as the Kwajalein Field Measurements Program. In 1969, the Roi-Namur facility was dedicated as the Kiernan Reentry Measurements Site.

With the Meek Island facility operational, several test launchings of Spartan and Sprint missiles occurred in the early 1970s. Additional launchers were built on nearby Illeginni Island to conduct remote missile launches controlled by Meek Island.

In 1974, Kwajalein Missile Range came under the control of the newly formed Ballistic Missile Defense Systems Command. Construction work during this period included upgrading support structures and installing additional highly sophisticated tracking devices.

In 1981, Meek Island became host to a new facility as a huge launch tower arrived from Cape Kennedy. This tower became an important component in the Homing Overlay Experiment, an ambitious project designed to launch platforms into stationary orbit where they would be capable of discerning incoming nuclear warheads from decoys. Once the warheads were identified, these platforms would fire interceptors to destroy some of the threatening projectiles. The experiment was designed as a first step for a ballistic missile defense.

 Even if the internet started later you think the government wouldn't be concerned as to why a person is contacting the missile site and not a web address. I didn't mean to imply it was still top secret when I told my son even though I still thought it was. This is the most pedantic forum I've ever been at. I post the latest science and esoteric facts and I get this shit every time by people that are just looking for any little fucking error because of their delusions. I feel like I'm at a Christian site or one with 12 year old kids, and that is not a compliment.  
 
The history of the Internet began with the development of electronic computers in the 1950s. The public was first introduced to the concepts that would lead to the Internet when a message was sent over the ARPANet from computer science Professor Leonard Kleinrock's laboratory at University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), after the second piece of network equipment was installed at Stanford Research Institute (SRI). Packet switched networks such as ARPANET, Mark I at NPL in the UK, CYCLADES, Merit Network, Tymnet, and Telenet, were developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s using a variety of protocols. The ARPANET in particular led to the development of protocols for internetworking, in which multiple separate networks could be joined together into a network of networks.

In 1982, the Internet protocol suite (TCP/IP) was standardized, and consequently, the concept of a world-wide network of interconnected TCP/IP networks, called the Internet, was introduced. Access to the ARPANET was expanded in 1981 when the National Science Foundation (NSF) developed the Computer Science Network (CSNET) and again in 1986 when NSFNET provided access to supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations. Commercial Internet service providers (ISPs) began to emerge in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The ARPANET was decommissioned in 1990. The Internet was commercialized in 1995 when NSFNET was decommissioned, removing the last restrictions on the use of the Internet to carry commercial traffic.

Since the mid-1990s, the Internet has had a revolutionary impact on culture and commerce, including the rise of near-instant communication by electronic mail, instant messaging, Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) "phone calls", two-way interactive video calls, and the World Wide Web with its discussion forums, blogs, social networking, and online shopping sites. The research and education community continues to develop and use advanced networks such as NSF's very high speed Backbone Network Service (vBNS),

Internet2, and National LambdaRail. Increasing amounts of data are transmitted at higher and higher speeds over fiber optic networks operating at 1-Gbit/s, 10-Gbit/s, or more. The Internet's takeover over the global communication landscape was almost instant in historical terms: it only communicated 1% of the information flowing through two-way telecommunications networks in the year 1993, already 51% by 2000, and more than 97% of the telecommunicated information by 2007. Today the Internet continues to grow, driven by ever greater amounts of online information, commerce, entertainment, and social networking.

Solitary
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surly74

this history of Kwajalien isn't in dispute.

just your bullshit story about it.

don't want to get picked on? don't post stuff insulting our intelligence.
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Solitary

Quote from: "surly74"
Quote from: "Solitary"Thanks for calling me a liar! At the time that was top secret even if it isn't now. I'm talking about when it was being built. Is that all you do is try to find faults with what people say here?  :roll:  Solitary

this is why.

QuoteI was being funny and told my younger son to look up Kwajalein (It was top secret at the time) on the internet and see what he finds

maybe you aren't a liar...maybe you are just grandpa simpson.

start a thread telling us how having an onion tied to your belt was the style at the time.

I thought it still was at the time. I did call my dad Gibby instead of dad, does that qualify for being a Simpson.  :P  Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

bericks999

Quote from: "Solitary"
Quote from: "bericks999"The Kwajalein Atoll has never been anything close to secret since the internet has existed.


Isn't it obvious I'm talking about it when it was being built?  :-o Solitary
No it's not obvious, the whole story centered on how your son was being contacted by some government organization because he looked up something in relation to Kwajalein on the internet.  The "internet" as you see it today, didn't exist well into the 90's and I know you weren't searching DARPAnet.  Kwajelein hasn't had anything secret associated with it for at least two decades when your son conducted the search.  

So, No, nothing about what you said is obvious other than the fact that you made it up!
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surly74

sure, once the NSA posts on here.
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Solitary

Quote from: "surly74"this history of Kwajalien isn't in dispute.

just your bullshit story about it.

don't want to get picked on? don't post stuff insulting our intelligence.


OK Einstein! Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

viocjit

Quote from: "Jason_Harvestdancer"Won't work.  Their keyword searches now include context.  You'll have to put those in a sentence.

He is right follow what he said.
I have some questions for you.
1.How can you be sure that there are real keyword ?
2.What is(are) your(s) source(s) ?
3.I suppose that you desire annoy the "Echelon Network" therefore if you can annoy them.
The next organisations will be annoy :
I.CSTC (Communications Security Establishment of Canada [Canada])
II.DSD (Defence Signals Directorate [Australia])
III.GCHQ (Government Communications Headquarters [UK])
IV.GCSB (Government Communications Security Bureau [New-Zealand])
V.NSA (National Security Agency [USA])
Therefore the title of your thread is not really correct. Why did you this approximation ?
4.Why use this forum to do that ?
5.Can you read the contents of the next links if you want to know more ? (this is not a real question of course  :))

Wikipedia :
1.CSTC : //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Security_Establishment_Canada
2.DSD : //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Signals_Directorate
3.ECHELON : //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
4.GCHQ : //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Communications_Headquarters
5.GCSB : //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Communications_Security_Bureau
6.NSA : //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
7.UKUSA : //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

aileron

I'm curious which of the two is more likely, that people just don't understand how network communications work or that people believe the NSA has magical powers.

Yes, the NSA collects and analyses shitloads of traffic.  They also carefully target the traffic they collect simply because it's both a total waste of time and technologically impossible to collect most network traffic.

I'm also curious what the hell people think the NSA is doing?  Do people really think they're so interested in what websites you're visiting and what color your morning shit was?  Is it possible, just perhaps they're really more interested in what the next terrorist plot may be?

The USA has a (somewhat unwarranted) love affair with "the troops".  We have to support "the troops".  Who exactly do people think the NSA is if not "the troops"?
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viocjit

Quote from: "aileron"I'm curious which of the two is more likely, that people just don't understand how network communications work or that people believe the NSA has magical powers.

Yes, the NSA collects and analyses shitloads of traffic.  They also carefully target the traffic they collect simply because it's both a total waste of time and technologically impossible to collect most network traffic.

I'm also curious what the hell people think the NSA is doing?  Do people really think they're so interested in what websites you're visiting and what color your morning shit was?  Is it possible, just perhaps they're really more interested in what the next terrorist plot may be?

The USA has a (somewhat unwarranted) love affair with "the troops".  We have to support "the troops".  Who exactly do people think the NSA is if not "the troops"?

I'm OK with you. I know people who believe that they have many operators to monitor all traffic.