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Is there a "genius" trait in us all?

Started by Jesus, July 11, 2013, 01:53:19 AM

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stromboli

QuoteSo what is considered a genius IQ score? Generally, any score over 140 is counted as a high IQ. A score over 160 is considered by many to be a genius IQ score. Scores that are 200 and over are often referred to as "unmeasurable genius."

The term genius is a flexible one. I have seen different rates and scores given as genius. It has more to do with accomplishments and gifts than an IQ score. Many scientists are considered genius, even though very few people, a miniscule number, have IQ's in the 160 or above range.

SGOS

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Quote from: "SGOS"Technically, a genius is a person with an IQ of 180, as I recall.
I recall differently; a genius-level IQ is variously seen as an IQ over 145, 150 or 160, but never above that. Also, many definitions of "genius" require that cutoff IQ plus some exceptional achievement. Example: Einstein was estimated by some sources to have a ~155 IQ, but his achievements make him universally regarded a genius, whereas people with IQs in the 160s and 170s who are also lazy and useless, like some friends of mine, would be regarded as intellectually gifted but not genius.
I just checked.  The one source I googled says:

"So what is considered a genius IQ score? Generally, any score over 140 is counted as a high IQ. A score over 160 is considered by many to be a genius IQ score. Scores that are 200 and over are often referred to as "unmeasurable genius."

 http://psychology.about.com/od/psycholo ... -score.htm

Also, again from what I recall, the old labels, idiot, moron, genius were thrown out some years ago because they stigmatized and were misunderstood.  Now they use newer terms that stigmatize and are misunderstood.   :-D

I prefer the more common classifications of "dumbass" and "smarty pants."  They cut to the chase and stigmatize everyone, but at least I know what they mean.

Plu

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Quote from: "Plu"
QuoteI'm always wary of someone that has to give me their "resume" on anything or justify their intelligence because if they were that smart then there would be something to show it.

Isn't their resume basically the "something to show for it", though? :P
I mean; a resume is a list of their accomplishments, is it not?

it is, it's also a sign of insecurity if used anywhere else other than a job interview.

But then what would you have them show for it?

stromboli

QuoteMensa's requirement for membership is a score at or above the 98th percentile on certain standardised IQ or other approved intelligence tests, such as the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales. The minimum accepted score on the Stanford-Binet is 132, while for the Cattell it is 148.[10] Most IQ tests are designed to yield a mean score of 100 with a standard deviation of 15; the 98th-percentile score under these conditions is 131.
Mensa also has its own application exam, and some national groups offer alternative batteries of tests. These exams are proctored by Mensa and do not provide a quantified score; they serve only to qualify a person for membership. In some national groups, a person may take a Mensa offered test only once, although one may later submit an application with results from a different qualifying test.[10]

more confusion

surly74

Quote from: "Plu"But then what would you have them show for it?

sorry, i'm not sure what you mean?
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Plu

Well you said you were wary when people give you something to justify their intelligence, because you say that if they have it, there'll be something to show for it. But then, if there's something to show for it, isn't that still justifying their intelligence?

Unless you mean when they're putting too much work in pointing out their accomplishment and trying to justify intelligence. That'd be annoying and insecure indeed. Is that what you meant?

SGOS

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Quote from: "surly74"The people that make a show of it, they are the ones that feel they have to convince everyone that they are smart, superior at something but they forget that if they really were there would be evidence for it.
LOL  I was blown away when that one guy told me he had an IQ of 170.  I thought maybe I could stimulate his brain to consider the claim he just made without calling bullshit on him to his face.  I said, "Well, you're in good company then.  Einstein and Sir Isaac Newton had IQs of 170," but he just looked at me with his typical vacant look and nodded as if to say, "Yeah, I'm in that category then."  He also added that he knew he was smarter than other people, because most people could not keep up with him.  However, I'm pretty sure he didn't know the difference between his opinions and his intelligence.  If someone has a different opinion, he just considers them dumb.

And all I did was pump up his already inflated opinion of himself with my Newton remark.  I guess I should have encouraged him to join Mensa, but that would have required him to compose a letter of application, and would most likely have posed a great difficulty for him.  LOL

SGOS


Plu

QuoteHe also added that he knew he was smarter than other people, because most people could not keep up with him.

Reminds me of my previous boss. People couldn't keep up with him either. But that's because he was impossible to follow because he failed at basic communication at all times.

Of course, that was our fault for not understanding him, not his fault for being impossible to understand.

SGOS

Quote from: "Plu"
QuoteHe also added that he knew he was smarter than other people, because most people could not keep up with him.

Reminds me of my previous boss. People couldn't keep up with him either. But that's because he was impossible to follow because he failed at basic communication at all times.

Of course, that was our fault for not understanding him, not his fault for being impossible to understand.
:rollin: Yeah, been there more than once.

SGOS

Quote from: "Plu"
QuoteHe also added that he knew he was smarter than other people, because most people could not keep up with him.

Reminds me of my previous boss. People couldn't keep up with him either. But that's because he was impossible to follow because he failed at basic communication at all times.

Of course, that was our fault for not understanding him, not his fault for being impossible to understand.
:rollin: Yeah, been there more than once.

SGOS

What's with this double post stuff?  I think my mouse is on the fritz.  I need to turn down the sensitivity or something.

surly74

Quote from: "Plu"Well you said you were wary when people give you something to justify their intelligence, because you say that if they have it, there'll be something to show for it. But then, if there's something to show for it, isn't that still justifying their intelligence?

Unless you mean when they're putting too much work in pointing out their accomplishment and trying to justify intelligence. That'd be annoying and insecure indeed. Is that what you meant?

yeah. too much working in pointing out their accomplishments...that part.
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Seabear

Quote from: "Jesus"is there a genius in all of us?
Answer: no.

A vast amount of the human race is mind-numbingly stupid, sorry to say. On the other hand, some people cannot comprehend just how brilliant some people can naturally be if they have never met such people. It's truly humbling.

When I was younger, I assumed most people were like me. How naive I was. In the military, I learned exactly how stupid people can actually be. In university, I had the opportunity to meet people that showed me how far from genius I actually was.
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AllPurposeAtheist

No genius trait in us all, but I know more than plenty of people with the 'blatantly stupid' trait. They're not hard to spot.. Many wear their pants down around their knees in attempt to look kool!
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