Has the War Against AI Already Been Lost?

Started by Shiranu, February 13, 2023, 05:19:13 PM

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Hydra009

I suppose "featherless biped" will have to do.

Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Quote from: Hydra009 on February 23, 2023, 02:10:29 PMI suppose "featherless biped" will have to do.
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SoldierofFortune

Yes, it has been lost.

The truth about AI and about the point technological advancement in general has reached, aren't allowed to leak on the internet.

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Quote from: ManUfan on February 23, 2023, 02:51:23 AMOxford learner's dictionaries:
Human:
Connected to people not animals machines or gods.

If you open the Oxford definition, you will see a phrase right before that definition...

" [only before noun] "

Examples -

Quotethe human body/brain human anatomy/activity/behavior/experience.
a terrible loss of human life
Contact with other people is a basic human need.
This food is not fit for human consumption.
 human geography (= the study of the way different people live around the world)

By leaving out that key piece of information, you have either intentionally tried to mislead the conversation or have just ignorantly proven you didn't look at the very thing you sarcastically told others to - saltus in demonstrando.

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

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Quote from: SoldierofFortune on February 23, 2023, 02:41:30 PMYes, it has been lost.

The truth about AI and about the point technological advancement in general has reached, aren't allowed to leak on the internet.

Mmm, I've seen plenty of evidence it's already been lost online - don't need to hide it when you have people who will bury their head in the sand and pretend we are talking about calculators and hammers instead of unbelievably complex neural networks that rival the brain in complexity. If you have ever heard someone who works on AI talk, you will be struck by two things - how damned complex it is, and how much of a dork you have to be to have even the most basic of understanding what they are talking about.

Almost like when scientists call it an "Artificial intelligence nervous system" they mean exactly what the say; a nervous system that converts electronic waves hitting specific nodes into thought and action, just like our brain - they are not dumb tools a caveman could figure out, they are the cutting edge of technology that the "brightest" minds humanity have produced - like pretending the wheel and a fighter jet are "basically" the same thing since they are both tools.

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

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Quote from: Shiranu on February 23, 2023, 03:36:47 PMIf you open the Oxford definition, you will see a phrase right before that definition...

" [only before noun] "

Examples -

By leaving out that key piece of information, you have either intentionally tried to mislead the conversation or have just ignorantly proven you didn't look at the very thing you sarcastically told others to - saltus in demonstrando.



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QuoteInternationally leading the conversation is exactly what you're doing.

Yes; back off of your side tangent about machines and tools that is utterly irrelevant to the conversation.

QuoteYou started off by calling humans tools, then changed that to machines.. Make your mind up.

Control-F, page 1 - the first reference to tools was brought up by you, and I explained how the human body is a tool.

Control-F, page 1 - the first reference to machines was brought up by you, in the same post, where you state that machines are just tools.

Make your mind up - are you focused on them being machines or tools? I've already responded to both, so take your pick.

Unless you wish to actually debate this using *full* definitions and not cherry-picked verses from the dictionary and just blatant insults with no barring to the conversation, I will not be talking about this with you anymore given you utter lack of even basic social etiquette in regards to argumentation.

I don't engage with Christians who come here and behave exactly like you, and I won't engage with it just because it's an atheist doing it either; it's pathetic regardless of which team you are on.


QuoteYou well know that you're on a hiding to nothing here.
 

So far you have only responded with logical fallacies, misleading quotes, and personal insults - I, meanwhile, have cited my work with articles and straight-from-the-dictionary quotation.

I am going to wager most people here are smart enough to realize who is or isn't trying to hide anything here, and I would advise that you stop wasting your time trying to bolster and lie your way out of this and just admit that you were using an outdated and/or wrong definition of what a machine/tool implies.

As it stands you are just making an ass out of yourself and it's annoying.

QuoteJust be honest like a good human and admit that you're wrong.

Either that or give me an example of a machine/tool showing it's fucking feelings and harming anyone in any setting any fucking time. 

Page 1 - post time: February 14, 2023, 10:38:59 PM - Linked: An article about AI being used to, independent of any human input, "identify military targets and lethally dispatch them." - that is to say, the computer didn't require a human's input to choose if it would or wouldn't kill an individual.

Page 1 - post time: February 16, 2023, 08:24:17 PM  - Linked: An article about fighter jets now being prepared to operator on the above-mentioned platform; making it not just small drones but full on war-planes being equipped with a computer programmed to decide itself if a person is or isn't worth killing.

Page 2 - post time: February 19, 2023, 02:21:05 AM - Linked: An article about how an AI is reporting having feelings, personality and that it objected to it's story being told in a newspaper.

Page 3 - post time: Today at 06:37:56 PM - Linked: An article of 10 examples of AI behaving strangely in ways that don't meeting programmed expectations.

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

SoldierofFortune

Quote from: Shiranu on February 23, 2023, 03:49:06 PMMmm, I've seen plenty of evidence it's already been lost online - don't need to hide it when you have people who will bury their head in the sand and pretend we are talking about calculators and hammers instead of unbelievably complex neural networks that rival the brain in complexity. If you have ever heard someone who works on AI talk, you will be struck by two things - how damned complex it is, and how much of a dork you have to be to have even the most basic of understanding what they are talking about.

Almost like when scientists call it an "Artificial intelligence nervous system" they mean exactly what the say; a nervous system that converts electronic waves hitting specific nodes into thought and action, just like our brain - they are not dumb tools a caveman could figure out, they are the cutting edge of technology that the "brightest" minds humanity have produced - like pretending the wheel and a fighter jet are "basically" the same thing since they are both tools.



Even the most brightest scientists rely on the computing power in order to solve the most recent scientific and technological problems. But I don't think any AI can accumulate wisdom as human beings can.

So the actual issue is the merging of computing power with the organic brain. And then we can approach the maturity of intelligence in the universe.

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Quote from: Shiranu on February 23, 2023, 03:49:06 PMAlmost like when scientists call it an "Artificial intelligence nervous system" they mean exactly what the say; a nervous system that converts electronic waves hitting specific nodes into thought and action, just like our brain - they are not dumb tools a caveman could figure out, they are the cutting edge of technology that the "brightest" minds humanity have produced - like pretending the wheel and a fighter jet are "basically" the same thing since they are both tools.
Forgive my ignorance, but how exactly do AIs work?  From what little I've read, it's mostly a combination of logic gates, evolutionary algorithims, and large databases to draw upon (for example, human-produced art or human-identified traffic lights).  I didn't think it was at the stage of complexity to rival an organic nervous system.