Has the War Against AI Already Been Lost?

Started by Shiranu, February 13, 2023, 05:19:13 PM

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Shiranu

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QuoteWe cannot make any such inference with nature, including humans.

If we are tools to continue on the process of life, then I have done exactly that without violating any secular causes.

But as you said, that is starting to push the analogy... which was the entire point, the analogy can be pushed in too many ways to be a viable means to examine if AI is or isn't "alive" or worth wondering if it is. It's the wrong unit of measurement for the question at hand - the whole problem is semantics are too limited to be useful.

Thus we can only rely on ethics to really answer that question; something outside of the realm of "hard" science, which makes it terrifying to see it's scientists being funded by CEOs and Generals who are the one's making the final call - this is a decision left to philosophers and sages, not Zuckerburgs and the Pentagon.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

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Quote from: Shiranu on February 16, 2023, 03:25:20 PMAre the natural laws of nature not ingenuity?
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QuoteCreative and inventive... sounds like Mother Nature to me.
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QuoteHumans behave exactly like machines - we just have fancy organic parts to transmit the currents and the illusions of free will instead of wires, diodes and motherboards and digital coding... and a lot of our systems work the same way as a computer at pretty fundamental levels; both in terms of intellect and the use of electronic currents to generate consciousness.
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QuoteThe point is that if machines are just tools, than humans are just tools... so by your definition, we must have a creator.
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QuoteSo to judge AI for these things is logically inconsistent with reality; and to underestimate the damage they can do is logically foolish - they are as "alive" as us, or at least reaching that point... and life is both an unpredictable beast and something we flawed beings have no right to be meddling with.

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Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers


Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: ManUfan on February 17, 2023, 07:43:42 AMCorbin or Forbin?
You pays your coin you gets your choice.

Gotta stop posting from my purported memory.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

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Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 17, 2023, 08:20:15 AMYou pays your coin you gets your choice.

Gotta stop posting from my purported memory.

I'm going to have to watch that sometime. :)

Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

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Shiranu

QuoteNo not really, unless you think that cancer was purposely manufactured.

No, but that's not a prerequisite for ingenuity.

QuoteNo humans do not behave exactly like machines.

We run on per-designated codes through organic hardware; coding overwhelmingly outside of our control that was placed upon us by outside forces to achieve a goal of said outside forces - the continuation of life.

From my perspective, that is a machine; by definition it also meets the criteria of a machine.

QuoteWe are in total control of AI.

We aren't even control of ourselves, much less other life (even that which we create) - and if humanity doesn't willingly learn that lesson quickly... it's going to be a very painful lesson indeed when it's forced upon us.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

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Knife crime is a massive problem in the UK. Perhaps if AI worked the checkouts in B&Q we could reduce it?


Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

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