Has the War Against AI Already Been Lost?

Started by Shiranu, February 13, 2023, 05:19:13 PM

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Shiranu

That is to say... have we reached a point of no return; can the changing electronic world be peacefully aborted - or violently stopped -  or like climate change have we just collectively swallowed as a species another cyanide pill, waiting for the capsule to dissolve?
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Unbeliever

Quote from: Shiranu on February 13, 2023, 05:19:13 PMThat is to say... have we reached a point of no return; can the changing electronic world be peacefully aborted - or violently stopped -  or like climate change have we just collectively swallowed as a species another cyanide pill, waiting for the capsule to dissolve?
I'm not sure what difference it makes, since we'll all be dead before it makes a difference anyway. Once we're dead who cares what the world does? 🤔
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Hydra009

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I go back and forth on this.  On one hand, the digital landscape has changed: it's possible to fake images, videos (deepfakes), even art.  But it's been possible to fake stuff for a long time - fake calls (robocalls) and fake letters have been around for a long time.  So I suppose people will adapt.

But what drives me nuts is that our current system of increasing growth and consumption is simply unsustainable - for us and the planet as a whole.  It's mathematically impossible.  If we continue down this path, it will eventually break and there will be mass death, possibly even technological regression.  Imagine technological ages (bronze age, iron age, medieval, renaissance, electrical, internet, interplanetary, solar, multi-solar, etc) as platforms that one must jump across in successive order.  Transitioning from hunter-gatherer to agriculture to increasing forms of automation and increasingly rapid transportation (well, until rush hour).  Imagine trying to start the industrial revolution without vast deposits of coal and iron.  Or inventing a car without much gasoline left to power it.  Those platforms can get very far away, making that transition might become next to impossible.  Then what?  Maybe we find a way to make it happen despite the difficulty, maybe we don't.

We need to keep moving forward.  But we also need to not topple over in the process.  A balanced approach is necessary - one that seizes opportunity without becoming dystopian.  But how?

Shiranu

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

#6
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 13, 2023, 09:32:09 PMI'm not sure what difference it makes, since we'll all be dead before it makes a difference anyway. Once we're dead who cares what the world does? 🤔
Unfortunately, I see this coming to a critical point within the next decade; Turkey has already begun experimenting with drones that are AI-operated and can fire on humans without authorization from a human - who knows what bigger powers have locked away in labs.

That's a very, very short step away from disaster.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

#7
QuoteBut how?

That is, unfortunately, the 1,000,000 gold-pressed latinum and Chinyen question.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

the_antithesis

Quote from: Shiranu on February 14, 2023, 12:55:48 AMUnfortunately, I see this coming to a critical point within the next decade; Turkey has already begun experimenting with drones that are AI-operated and can fire on humans without authorization from a human - who knows what bigger powers have locked away in labs.

That's a very, very short step away from disaster.

I think it's more likely that you won't be able to find a job than the world becomes Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

The main problem is how do we transition from now to a future where no one has to work and machines do everything for us?

M

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M

Mr.Obvious

Well, at some point we'll get AI and machines capable of developing better AI and machines.
That might be the moment we could lose control.


But as always, it is hard to accurately predict future reality by budding technology.
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Gawdzilla Sama

I remember the prognostications that driving at 60 mph would suck the air out of our lungs. I got to go along on a test drive at Bonneville that hit 180 mph. I guess I died three times?
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Shiranu

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 14, 2023, 02:54:27 PMI remember the prognostications that driving at 60 mph would suck the air out of our lungs. I got to go along on a test drive at Bonneville that hit 180 mph. I guess I died three times?

So you are saying AI don't exist?
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

#13
Quote from: ManUfan on February 14, 2023, 04:23:50 AMMachines are just tools. There's always going to be human involvement to keep them ticking over.

Humans are also machines - ergo humans are tools; does that mean there will always have to be a creator (God?) for man to keep us ticking?

QuoteIf it comes to a point where machinery gets to big for it's boots, I'm sure it's nothing some wire snips or a sledgehammer can't sort out.

And when the machinery is armed and can defend itself?
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

Quote from: the_antithesis on February 14, 2023, 03:46:48 AMI think it's more likely that you won't be able to find a job than the world becomes Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
The main problem is how do we transition from now to a future where no one has to work and machines do everything for us?

http://intellinews.com/turkey-possibly-behind-world-s-first-battlefield-killing-by-autonomous-combat-drone-212320/

QuoteTurkey may have been behind the battlefield deployment of a military-grade autonomous drone that may have marked an historic and chilling first if its artificial intelligence-based weapons system, essentially operating with a mind of its own, was used to kill.

That's the disturbing conclusion of Zachary Kallenborn, writing for the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, following the publication of a United Nations report about a March 2020 skirmish in the military conflict in Libya in which a 'killer robot' drone, known as a lethal autonomous weapons system—or LAWS—made its wartime debut. The report, however, does not explicitly determine if the LAWS, a Kargu-2 attack drone made by Turkish company STM, killed anyone or establish if it was operating in autonomous or manual mode.

I don't expect the AI to turn against us - rather it will be programmed against "us".

What use are the peasants when a robot can do it for free? What makes you think the aristocracy, who burn this world to a crisp with pollution & exploitation of labour, are going to share their wealth with the rest of us? When have they ever done so before?

It is far more logical and effective to let the peasants starve to death or outright kill us - and only preserve the bare minimum required; think Georgia's Standing Stones on how to build a society "after the apocalypse". Those standing stones were funded and built by the aristocracy - and it outright calls for the elimination of 7.5 billion people.

Maybe when terrible people tell us they are terrible people, we peasants need to start listening. Those of us worth saving will only be worth saving to serve for their pleasure - and AI will have no moral qualms, no hesitation, on pulling the trigger on man, woman or child that us useless peasants might.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur