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Started by Susan, August 30, 2022, 04:40:39 AM

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Susan

Is it really undeniable that there are at least a dozen contradictions in the Bible?

aitm

Start with Genesis...1:7. States very clearly that the blue sky is actually water.
I don't have enough digits to count contradictions.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Mike Cl

Quote from: Susan on August 30, 2022, 04:40:39 AMIs it really undeniable that there are at least a dozen contradictions in the Bible?
Dozens???  Nope.  Hundreds!
Unbeliever has shown us many sites that deal with contradictions of the bible--if I can locate them I will share them.
Google 'bibical contradictions'--you will have many sites to read.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

the_antithesis

Compare Genesis 19:1-19 to Judges 19. They are the same story... but they are not the same story. Because they are just stories. Just ignore the whole thing. That's what I do.

Blackleaf

"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--


Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Susan on August 30, 2022, 04:40:39 AMIs it really undeniable that there are at least a dozen contradictions in the Bible?
The rainfall for the Biblical Flood and the resulting devastation of the Earth should be enough for reasonable people to chuckle and toss.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Unbeliever

Yeah, click the link at the bottom of all my posts to go to my site, God Not Found, and scroll down to the Bible stuff, then look for Bible Contradictions. They're listed by theme rather than all jumbled up like most such lists.
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Luther Martini

One way to view the bible is that it is a manual for cafeteria style morality, in that you can pick and choose from the myriad of contradicting verses to find justification for whatever detestable behavior in which one chooses to engage. 

One of my faves is in the book of Deuteronomy where in chapter 5, you will find the 10 commandments, given by god to the Israelites, among which are rules prohibiting killing, adultery, and stealing.  Then, in chapter 20, god gives the same group of people permission to go into the land of the unbelieving scum who don't believe in their god, and kill, rape, enslave, and plunder.  And, best of all, god instructs them to completely annihilate those same unbelievers who inhabit of the land that he has given them.   

QuoteFrom Deuteronomy 20:

10
    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
11
    If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
12
    If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
13
    When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.
14
    As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
15
    This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16
    However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
17
    Completely destroy [1] them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you.
18
    Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God.
19


Holy shit!  Praise the lord and pass the ammunition  -- or better yet ... don't, and recognize this book of mythology as the bullshit propaganda that it is.

Luther Martini

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 30, 2022, 11:54:13 AMThe rainfall for the Biblical Flood and the resulting devastation of the Earth should be enough for reasonable people to chuckle and toss.

Should be -- yes. However, when confronting a believer with the overall absurdity of a literal interpretation of the flood myth, one is often met with other absurdities, like "god works in mysterious ways" -  the WTF catchall reasoning that renders the discussion analogous to having a chess match with a pigeon.

Blackleaf

Quote from: Luther Martini on August 30, 2022, 01:09:20 PMOne way to view the bible is that it is a manual for cafeteria style morality, in that you can pick and choose from the myriad of contradicting verses to find justification for whatever detestable behavior in which one chooses to engage. 

One of my faves is in the book of Deuteronomy where in chapter 5, you will find the 10 commandments, given by god to the Israelites, among which are rules prohibiting killing, adultery, and stealing.  Then, in chapter 20, god gives the same group of people permission to go into the land of the unbelieving scum who don't believe in their god, and kill, rape, enslave, and plunder.  And, best of all, god instructs them to completely annihilate those same unbelievers who inhabit of the land that he has given them.   


Holy shit!  Praise the lord and pass the ammunition  -- or better yet ... don't, and recognize this book of mythology as the bullshit propaganda that it is.

The pure nerve it takes for God to command the Israelites to do all these awful things to their neighbors, and then justify it by saying, "If you don't, they'll teach you to do bad thing." Dafuq? YOU'RE teaching them to do detestable things!
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Luther Martini

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Quote from: Blackleaf on August 30, 2022, 04:47:35 PMThe pure nerve it takes for God to command the Israelites to do all these awful things to their neighbors, and then justify it by saying, "If you don't, they'll teach you to do bad thing." Dafuq? YOU'RE teaching them to do detestable things!

Reading the tale of the establishment of biblical law in the early years of Judaism, one can view this edict for the Israelites to eradicate or subjugate their "heathen" neighbors as more of a blueprint of biblical justification for followers of god to act upon their worst instincts toward those who are different from themselves, and who hold something that they want.  As in "We're just following god's orders as we murder and steal from the vile unbelieving scum. Yea god, I want all their stuff, so let's go get 'em".

How many times throughout history has some interpretation of god's law or the god given purpose of a group of people who believe themselves to have some favored status with god been used to subjugate or eradicate another group of people because a difference philosophy, beliefs and social practices.

Here is an example from 1739 that I found to be interesting. Baptist minister, Rev John Callender, remarks on the conquest of Native American tribes in the New England colonies. He certainly shows some fine christian love there as he rejoices in their extermination by disease and pestilence.  god's will -- no shit?

QuoteThe Indians in this Part of America appear to have been some of the least improved of the human
Species, without any Learning or Knowledge in any of the politer Arts of Life, even without Iron and the
Improvements which depend on that. The strange Destruction of this People, now since the Wars ceased,
and within Memory, is very remarkable. Their insuperable Aversion to the English industry and Way of
Life, the Alteration from the Indian Method of living, their Laziness, and their universal Love of Strong
Drink, have swept them away, in a wonderful Manner. So that there are now above twenty English to one
Indian in the Colony. Their few miserable Remainders are left as Monuments of the Anger of a righteous
God, and for our Warning & Instruction. . . .

And this brings me now at last, to the Remarks I promised at the Beginning. And
I. The first is, The wonderful and unsearchable Providence of GOD in the whole Affair of driving out
the Natives and planting Colonies of Europeans, and Churches of Christians, in the Place of Heathenism
and Barbarity. . . .


The Discovery and the Conquest of America, with the amazing Desolations wrought therein, appear a
more remarkable Event than any other in all profane History since the universal Deluge. A new World, as
it was justly called, discovered to the other, or rather to Europe, and all its Riches and Glory overturned,
and given away to another People; and the Aboriginal Natives, by Famine, Sword and Pestilence,
destroyed, and wasted away by Millions throughout all America! Who can tell how, or how long it had
been inhabited; and by what a Series of Iniquity, it was ripe for such a fearful Desolation, such an utter
Destruction! . . .

Moreover, as these People came not here for Plunder, which drew over the Spaniards to the South-
ward, neither did they settle themselves by Force or by their own Might; but GOD was pleased to make
ready a Place prepared as an Asylum for them. And since he has wonderfully driven out and consumed
the Natives by his devouring Judgments, their Sins have proved their Punishment, and their detestable
Vices have drawn on those mortal Sicknesses which have wasted away all within the English Pale; but a
few embraced Christianity or who, by submitting to the English Power, remains the Memorials of these
wonderful Events.

–Rev. John Callender, An Historical Discourse on the Civil and Religious Affairs of the Colony of
Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations in New-England in America,1739, excerpts