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Will Putin Invade Ukraine?

Started by Cassia, January 20, 2022, 01:29:34 PM

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Hydra009

Quote from: Shiranu on March 25, 2022, 07:54:22 PMI uh... I think they might be getting tired of being over there.
Not tired, tracked :P


Hydra009

#257
Kherson, formerly firmly in Russian hands, is now contested territory

There's a chance it could be returned to Ukrainian control very soon.  It has huge strategic significance - it would block Russian land forces from advancing on Odesa as well as allow Ukrainian forces to strike at russian forces coming from Crimea or russian forces to the east.


Mike Cl

Russian soldiers appear to be fixing makeshift cages to the turrets of their tanks in a crude effort to protect themselves against Ukraine's anti-tank missiles.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-soldiers-appear-fixing-makeshift-103343532.html

"Some Russian tanks seen with makeshift cages attached to them to protect against anti-tank missiles.

An expert told Insider that the cages are futile against modern weapons like the Javelin and NLAW.

The cages also disadvantage Russian tanks by increasing their visibility and adding weight.

Russian forces appear to be attaching makeshift metal cages to the tops of their tanks in Ukraine in a crude effort to protect themselves against anti-tank missiles.

Analysts say the cages are inadequate protection against the modern weapons used by Ukraine and demonstrate the Russian military's lack of preparedness for war."

Is the impossible happening--Touted Russian Army not all that good and not only being defeated but pushed back????

Love this quote: The saying always was that Russia has a large, modern army. We discovered that the modern part isn't very large and the large part isn't very modern. And the large part is increasingly getting smaller," Crump said.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Hydra009

QuoteAn expert told Insider that the cages are futile against modern weapons like the Javelin and NLAW.

The cages also disadvantage Russian tanks by increasing their visibility and adding weight.
Never interfere when your enemy makes a mistake.

SGOS

I have to admit, I didn't expect the Ukraine to put up so much resistance. I guess people don't like it so much when they're minding their own business and some foreign country wants to charge in and take their stuff.

Hydra009

Quote from: SGOS on March 26, 2022, 10:16:54 AMI have to admit, I didn't expect the Ukraine to put up so much resistance. I guess people don't like it so much when they're minding their own business and some foreign country wants to charge in and take their stuff.
Russia telegraphed its invasion so far in advance (likely to intimidate and cause panic) that the Ukrainians had plenty of time to train and arm themselves and the US was more than happy to provide.  Ironically, the only people who didn't know about the invasion were the invading troops themselves.


TL;DR: Russia telegraphed a haymaker and got kicked in the balls mid-swing.

Hydra009

Another Russian general eliminated

That makes seven.

This one was at an airbase near Kherson.

SGOS

Are they targeting generals?  And why aren't those guys back at HQ making plans?

the_antithesis

They're trying to get away from Putin?

Hydra009

Quote from: SGOS on March 26, 2022, 01:21:33 PMAre they targeting generals?  And why aren't those guys back at HQ making plans?
Yes.  One of the many benefits of unecrypted communications. ^_^

Ukraine intelligence estimated twenty generals at the start of the invasion.  Somewhat less now, lol.

Some have been eliminated at command posts somewhat near the frontlines.  Some pretty much at the frontlines.  Apparently, it's a combination of poor troop morale and poor command&control.

Also, for some reason, they really like being near airfields.

Cassia

It seems that there is a see-saw technology arms race between tanks and anti-tank weapons and right now the tanks are losing. Turkish leopard2 tanks recently got hammered pretty hard by ISIL so it's not just Russian tanks.

Shiranu

Quote from: Cassia on March 26, 2022, 05:40:42 PMIt seems that there is a see-saw technology arms race between tanks and anti-tank weapons and right now the tanks are losing. Turkish leopard2 tanks recently got hammered pretty hard by ISIL so it's not just Russian tanks.
Yeah, I think in many way tanks are outdated; to probably leave out way too much nuance, warfare has heavily shifted more towards tactical operations instead of all-out warfare... unfortunately instead of getting with the times, the Russians are going backwards... increasing indiscriminate bombing to just kill everyone instead.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Mike Cl

it seems to me that tanks have improved since WWII--but not by as much as anti-tank weapons.  Not nearly as much.  Throw in drones (wish the nato countries would send a bunch of warthogs--slow and low flying aircraft that can tear tanks apart) and tanks are now sitting ducks.  Hand held anti-tank weapons are now really much more technologically superior to tanks these days.  Apparently the Russians have lost 10% of their tanks and it seems that those losses will increase, not slow down. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Hydra009

Drones really are gamechangers.  A couple guys with decent binoculars and a relatively low-cost drone can take out a tank/apc.  In terms of cost, there's no contest - a russian t-80 costs $3 million and a switchblade drone costs $6,000.