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Will Putin Invade Ukraine?

Started by Cassia, January 20, 2022, 01:29:34 PM

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Shiranu

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 23, 2022, 11:34:35 PM

 :popcorn:


I fucking love the Polish... well, everyone over there honestly who are just not having Putin's shit. 
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Hydra009

Russia had the audacity to claim that they "saved" Poland from the nazis in WWII.  I'd give Ukraine an extra 5,000 antitank weapons just for that.

Shiranu

#242
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 24, 2022, 12:20:04 AMRussia had the audacity to claim that they "saved" Poland from the nazis in WWII.  I'd give Ukraine an extra 5,000 antitank weapons just for that.

I actually just watched this video for the first time a few days ago and really loved it (love the channel, if anyone loves history and hasn't checked them out... Extra History, Overly Sarcastic Productions and John Green are all awesome educators that approach it in the most "professor-ly" manner - Kings and Generals is good too, though often a little more military tactics related)

If by "saved" the Russians mean "We spent several months literally camped on the opposite shores of the Vistula River watching Polish people be butchered by Nazis until both sides were weak enough that we could swoop in and claim it as our own" then... sure, I guess they did that.

Also ignores a few massacres of the Red Army saying they "saved" Poland, but you know... those are details, and details are not relevant to reality.

Edit -  Cant get the video to work on the forum, but it's Extra History - The Warsaw Uprising, about 11 minutes long and goes into the Polish resistance in the final days of Nazi-occupied Poland. They also have a 30+ minute series on the Polish Resistance, watched that a few years ago and really enjoyed it )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BjIYKq4CVk&t=162s
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Hydra009

In Moscow, a woman was fined for a poster that read "fascism will not pass".  The court ruled that the poster expressed a "negative attitude towards Russian Armed Forces".



PopeyesPappy

Quote from: Shiranu on March 24, 2022, 01:46:09 AMI actually just watched this video for the first time a few days ago and really loved it (love the channel, if anyone loves history and hasn't checked them out... Extra History, Overly Sarcastic Productions and John Green are all awesome educators that approach it in the most "professor-ly" manner - Kings and Generals is good too, though often a little more military tactics related)

If by "saved" the Russians mean "We spent several months literally camped on the opposite shores of the Vistula River watching Polish people be butchered by Nazis until both sides were weak enough that we could swoop in and claim it as our own" then... sure, I guess they did that.

Also ignores a few massacres of the Red Army saying they "saved" Poland, but you know... those are details, and details are not relevant to reality.

Edit -  Cant get the video to work on the forum, but it's Extra History - The Warsaw Uprising, about 11 minutes long and goes into the Polish resistance in the final days of Nazi-occupied Poland. They also have a 30+ minute series on the Polish Resistance, watched that a few years ago and really enjoyed it )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BjIYKq4CVk&t=162s

The last paragraph in the Wiki article on the Katyn massacre talks about recent Russian attempts at revising history. This includes changing the official text of the memorial sites within Russia to say "Polish officers were shot by the Hitlerites in 1941." This despite the fact that they had already admitted guilt in the 80s and 90s. The current story is that the letter signed by Stalin authorizing the execution of more than 25,000 Poles, including most of the Polish military officer corps, and the rest of the 135 volumes of evidence supporting Russian culpability in these events were forgeries.
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the_antithesis


the youtube tag doesn't like the &t=162s

Hydra009

Russian warship destroyed, two other vessels damaged.

That ship can fit up to 20 tanks.  I want to believe that it was loaded to the gills when it went down.

And Ukraine's about to get more antiship missiles courtesy of the US and its allies.

Shiranu

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 24, 2022, 09:45:48 AMThe last paragraph in the Wiki article on the Katyn massacre talks about recent Russian attempts at revising history. This includes changing the official text of the memorial sites within Russia to say "Polish officers were shot by the Hitlerites in 1941." This despite the fact that they had already admitted guilt in the 80s and 90s. The current story is that the letter signed by Stalin authorizing the execution of more than 25,000 Poles, including most of the Polish military officer corps, and the rest of the 135 volumes of evidence supporting Russian culpability in these events were forgeries.
Oof. Not surprised, but still surprised. 
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Hydra009

#248
Ukraine has more tanks now than before the invasion

Ukraine
Lost: 74
Captured: 117
Net gain: 43

Russia
Lost: 274
Captured: 37
Net loss: 237

Hydra009

EU rejects Russian demand of rubles for natural gas

So...let me get this straight:

* Russia wants to sell natural gas to Europe and Europeans were willing to buy.
* Russia has a weak, sanction-battered economy and could really, really use the money.
* Russia decides to impose a new condition to the transaction: payment must be in rubles only.  This would make EU countries artificially inflate the ruble, effectively reversing their own sanctions.
* Naturally, Europeans say no, so now Russia is missing out on desperately-needed money in order to hike EU heating bills this...April?

Is there some 7d chess thing that I'm missing or did Russia just further sanction itself?

Cassia

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 24, 2022, 11:01:34 PMEU rejects Russian demand of rubles for natural gas

So...let me get this straight:

* Russia wants to sell natural gas to Europe and Europeans were willing to buy.
* Russia has a weak, sanction-battered economy and could really, really use the money.
* Russia decides to impose a new condition to the transaction: payment must be in rubles only.  This would make EU countries artificially inflate the ruble, effectively reversing their own sanctions.
* Naturally, Europeans say no, so now Russia is missing out on desperately-needed money in order to hike EU heating bills this...April?

Is there some 7d chess thing that I'm missing or did Russia just further sanction itself?
Now that I think about it, I have never heard anybody mention anything about the value of the ruble. I would imagine the oligarchs and Putin himself are all-in on the $US and Bitcoin.

SGOS

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 24, 2022, 11:01:34 PMIs there some 7d chess thing that I'm missing or did Russia just further sanction itself?
I'm not going to presume to know anything about all of this, because it often seems like economic thinking goes over our heads, which is odd because Economics 101 in college was a very straight forward discipline, and easy to understand.  But by the time experts and philosophers, are done with it, no one seems to even know which way is up.  I think that's because economics probably falls under the umbrella of politics, rather than science or logic, and it's primary benefit to society is that it can say anything you say it says, and blame anyone you want when it doesn't work right.

Dark Lightning

The way I heard it, if one lined all the economists up end-to-end, they'd still point in different directions.

the_antithesis


Shiranu

Russian troops run over their own commander with a tank after suffering heavy loses.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-attack-own-commanding-officer-after-suffering-heavy-losses/ar-AAVuUv2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1d093a105ed44d78918f523c398c7358

I uh... I think they might be getting tired of being over there.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur