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A day that will live in infamy

Started by Cassia, December 07, 2021, 09:35:56 AM

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Docillinois

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 16, 2021, 05:53:45 PM



But we should treat the Japanese nicely?

Of course not, which is why I'm in complete agreement with FDR's cagey and surreptitious moves to inject the U.S. into the war, the Pacific theater included.

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Docillinois on December 17, 2021, 01:56:37 PM
Of course not, which is why I'm in complete agreement with FDR's cagey and surreptitious moves to inject the U.S. into the war, the Pacific theater included.
LOL. The last thing he wanted was a two ocean war. But he also didn't want the Japanese reducing the eastern half of Asia to a vassal status. Doing so would mean the Axis could have a land connection if Russia fell.

It's never easy.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Docillinois

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 17, 2021, 04:20:07 PM
LOL. The last thing he wanted was a two ocean war.

'Didn't want but fully aware that a two ocean war was necessary and inevitable,' is a more complete picture, I would suggest, based upon that bare reality of needing to stop Japan while helping to stop the Nazis.  Very much never easy.

Cassia

I was training a group of engineers from India. During break, being very interested in WW2 battles I was watching this very intense footage on my laptop when one of the guys asked what it was.... Apparently, they knew next to nothing about the war. So I put it up on the big screen. They could not believe it was real.
https://youtu.be/ypLuXx6SKgU

Hydra009

Has anyone mentioned yet that the battleship-sized disparity between US and Japanese industrial capacity pretty much doomed Japan's war effort the instant it began?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

Germany and Italy were also doomed for the same reason:



It's very simple: if your enemy can outproduce you, outsupply you, and outgun you, then they can also outfight you.

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Docillinois on December 17, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
'Didn't want but fully aware that a two ocean war was necessary and inevitable,' is a more complete picture, I would suggest, based upon that bare reality of needing to stop Japan while helping to stop the Nazis.  Very much never easy.
Here's a bit of reading that might help you. I had fun doing it. http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

gawdzilla sama Jr.

Quote from: SGOS on December 08, 2021, 06:59:42 AMTo me, the infamy here is about the US political leadership and our military getting caught with our pants down.  If Japan was not a threat, why did it take billions of dollars, a hundred thousand American lives, and over a million Japanese lives to stop the threat?
Well, Japan was a member of the Axis, with Germany and Italy. FDR ordered a large portion of the USN to be "forward deployed" as they say it now, in the hopes it would restrain Japan.

Now for a geographical peculiarity to the situation. Japan had the Inland Sea to her west, and fuck all to the East for a good long way. Japanese war planning called for the "decisive battle" between the IJN and the USN to happen after our Navy had fought its way to Japanese coastal waters. Japanese small ships were designed with limited fuel storage compared to USN DDs, etc. The small boys would dash into a friend port to refuel and return to duty without losing the war. In 1941 we had little information about at-sea refuel in the Kaigun, and many thought they couldn't do it at all. This meant that Pearl was effective out of range of any Axis danger. When Admiral James O. Richardson wrote "On The Treadmill To Pearl Harbor" he claimed he had warned FDR that Pearl was vulnerable. Oddly enough, in the testimony given to Congress at the Congressional Investigation into the Pearl Harbor Attack he said his only complaint was lack of off-duty facilities for the large force stationed there. I guess it's a matter of "oath" and "no oath."