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Started by Mike Cl, September 02, 2021, 10:29:57 AM

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Jagella

Quote from: Mike Cl on September 02, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
Sexual abuse of children happening in broad range of religious settings, report finds.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sexual-abuse-children-happening-broad-110648938.html

"The sexual abuse of children takes place in a broad range of religious settings, with some found to have no child protection policies in place, a report has found.

Victim-blaming, an absence of discussion around sex and sexuality, abuse of power by religious leaders and discouraging external reporting are among the "shocking failures" outlined in the report from the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA)."

I have a strong feeling that this is just the tip of the iceberg.  And it has been going on for centuries.  For me this simply illustrates two things.  Religion promotes male dominance of the society in which said religion exists--and that leads to sexual abuse of women and children.  And allows males to dominate all aspects of a society, not just the religious part.  Religion always leads to abuse or all kinds.  Our country is living proof of that.

I was sexually, physically, and emotionally abused by Christians not only as a child but as an adult too. To be so abused is a truly terrible experience, and I almost took my own life over it. When I tell Christians about it, they seem more concerned about their religion and shutting me up.

Mr.Obvious

Sorry to hear that, jagella.

Fuck those sanctimonious asses.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Jagella

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on October 07, 2021, 02:38:59 PM
Sorry to hear that, jagella.

Fuck those sanctimonious asses.

Is the Christian religion just plain evil? Is it that simple?

Dark Lightning

#48
A lot of nasty people use it for cover, is all. The ability to accept non-truth as truth, or a willingness to go along with a religion out of social inertia (i.e., "my family has always been church-goers"). It's how I ended up going back to church when my children came along, even though I wasn't a real believer. The wife, however, still is. My three sons are atheist, same as me, though. What is disheartening is how the laity in the RCC probably expect the clergy to clean up their fellow's acts, but from the pope down, it's just acting sorry without effective change. Just another con, afaiac. I guess it's actually a feature, not a bug, since no one seems to want to fix it.

Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Jagella on October 07, 2021, 04:18:10 PM
Is the Christian religion just plain evil? Is it that simple?

Well, anyone who would follow the christian doctrine as laid out by the bible literally  would probably in my view be categorized as evil.
Luckily, most christians don't.
But still more oft than not i do not see someones christianity as a boon on there person. Most of times, at best as nonconsequential.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Mike Cl

Quote from: Jagella on October 07, 2021, 02:20:35 PM
I was sexually, physically, and emotionally abused by Christians not only as a child but as an adult too. To be so abused is a truly terrible experience, and I almost took my own life over it. When I tell Christians about it, they seem more concerned about their religion and shutting me up.
I am very sorry to learn that.  It seems that there is no limit to what christians do and still profess that they lead lives of love and consideration to all.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Mike Cl

Quote from: Jagella on October 07, 2021, 04:18:10 PM
Is the Christian religion just plain evil? Is it that simple?
Much evil flows from the christian religion.  I think it is mainly fostered by church hierarchies.  It seems that the stronger any christian groups hierarchy, the more evil it produces.  I've found that individuals who are more 'spiritual' than religious tend to be nicer people.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Hydra009

Quote from: Mike Cl on October 07, 2021, 06:07:33 PMIt seems that the stronger any christian groups hierarchy, the more evil it produces.  I've found that individuals who are more 'spiritual' than religious tend to be nicer people.
Exactly right.  Corruption, groupthink, and tribalism are produced strongly in strongly hierarchical organizations, especially religious organizations.  This can lead to a sort of moral blindness where the tribe's rules and health are prioritized over general morality, with tragic results.

Jagella

Quote from: Mike Cl on October 07, 2021, 06:01:53 PM
I am very sorry to learn that.

Thanks for the concern and understanding. I received none of either one at the CARM.org forum when I reported that abuse to the Christians there. All they could do was tell me how hateful they thought I was. I eventually got banned there for asking that the forum rules be changed to allow me to freely make my case about Christianity and its ill effects on people.

QuoteIt seems that there is no limit to what christians do and still profess that they lead lives of love and consideration to all.

Their version of love differs from what most of us think of as love. They are commanded to love like a slave needs to love his master and fellow slaves lest the slave be beaten by the master. In other words, they don't love because it comes naturally but because they will get their asses beat if they don't. And as you say, that threat doesn't always inspire love even then.

Jagella

Quote from: Hydra009 on October 07, 2021, 06:43:16 PM
Exactly right.  Corruption, groupthink, and tribalism are produced strongly in strongly hierarchical organizations, especially religious organizations.  This can lead to a sort of moral blindness where the tribe's rules and health are prioritized over general morality, with tragic results.

You are correct. It's important to understand that Christians are no different from most people in that they may place the concerns of their group over their concerns for individuals. This kind of behavior is utilitarian because the benefits of the many take precedence over the wellbeing of the few. Harming the group is seen as a greater evil than harming one or two individuals. In the case of Christianity, millions of people granted eternal life in paradise may come at the cost of a smaller number of people hurt or even killed.