"Three Engineers Walk Into a Bar" - Land on the Moon 8 Years Later

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Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on July 20, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
Once it was plain that we'd beaten everyone else to the moon we lost interest, and moved on to the next news cycle.

Remember SEALAB?  Dropped off the news even faster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_habitat

The Ithaa undersea restaurant looks interesting, but the Maldives is far far away.
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trdsf

Two days after the anniversary of his agency's crowning achievement, NASA's first flight director and mastermind of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs Chris Craft has died at the age of 95.
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Cavebear

Quote from: trdsf on July 20, 2019, 07:43:28 PM
We stopped because:

  • the race was "won", we showed those damn Rooskies who's "better"; and
  • Nixon wanted to kill off what was seen as a Kennedy accomplishment, made all the worse for happening on his watch.  He could have made it his by upping the ante and setting the task of a permanent lunar base by the end of the 70s, but that's not the way his dark and twisted brain worked.  And,
  • even though the Apollo program had a 14:1 return on investment, the average American didn't see it immediately, so public support faded; and
  • the Soviet space program more or less ceded the moon (mainly due to the death of Sergei Korolev, and the constant failures of the N1, of which it would be charitable to call them merely disastrous) and focused on space stations, providing no more "competition".

EDIT: Damn forum software.  I really wanted an inline link to the four N1 launches, not an insert of the video.  Well, hell, all right, here's the video.  The second N1 failure is one of the largest non-nuclear explosions ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iuo3J8L9b8

The Soviet failures probably demonstrate the difference between positively dedicated and negatively fearful science approaches.
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Baruch

Totalitarianism isn't good for you.  That is why it is so attractive for us.  Same reason why we smoke, drink etc.
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trdsf

Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 10:19:22 AM
The Soviet failures probably demonstrate the difference between positively dedicated and negatively fearful science approaches.
Partly.  The early successes of the Soviet space program were partly because of the top-down nature of their system that could simply order things done, partly because the American space program was hampered by competition between the different military branches, each of which had their own programs fighting for resources, partly because Sergei Korolev was a hand's-down undeniable genius, andâ€"it is allegedâ€"partly because Eisenhower held the space program back until after the Soviets orbited a satellite first so that the international precedent of unfettered overflight was set by them.

The later failures of the Soviet space program are partly attributable to the top-down nature of their system that could simply order things done without regard to whether the orders were reasonable, partly to the unexpected death of Korolev, and partly due to American efforts being concentrated in NASA rather than divided between the military branches.

Probably the biggest setback all around was the loss of Korolev; it's likely he could have either sorted out the problems with the N1, or scrapped the project in favor of one that worked.  I think it's likely we'd have a permanent moonbase by now if Korolev had lived, since the race for the moon would have continued.  The next race after landing would have been for a permanent presence; Korolev would have pushed for it and he had sufficient stature that he could have gotten itâ€"and there's no way the US government would have allowed an unanswered Soviet base on the moon.
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Baruch

What about the mystery cosmonaut?  Was there a never acknowledged cosmonaut?  Was she a women?
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on August 23, 2019, 10:56:38 PM
What about the mystery cosmonaut?  Was there a never acknowledged cosmonaut?  Was she a women?

Would you like to provide any information on that?  Would you like to suggest names?  Would you like to name never acknowledged cosmonaut?  Would you like to prove there are no unicorns?
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 12:13:56 AM
Would you like to provide any information on that?  Would you like to suggest names?  Would you like to name never acknowledged cosmonaut?  Would you like to prove there are no unicorns?

You deny all reality, right?  There are no mysteries, only what CNN dumps straight into your head thru your tooth fillings?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKYfEjg0liU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZidFWLrLnU

Yes, your Soviet buddies never fail, never have a coverup.
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 12:57:13 AM
You deny all reality, right?  There are no mysteries, only what CNN dumps straight into your head thru your tooth fillings?
Yes, your Soviet buddies never fail, never have a coverup.

I might well be the epitome of the "reality exists" idea.  And I don't watch CNN much though my experience is that they are generally accurate in their reports.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 02:01:23 AM
I might well be the epitome of the "reality exists" idea.  And I don't watch CNN much though my experience is that they are generally accurate in their reports.

The first lie, is how much is reported (control of boundary of narrative).  Anything outside of the official boundary ... is debunked.

The second lie, is to carefully take the facts (as limited above) and spin them into an interpretation (why did Oswald shoot JFK).  With assassinated assassins, this leaves a big hole.  With the guy who shot MLK, he lives awhile longer, but people were careful to debunk anything he said (he was an assassin, so why believe him?).
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 08:56:40 AM
The first lie, is how much is reported (control of boundary of narrative).  Anything outside of the official boundary ... is debunked.

The second lie, is to carefully take the facts (as limited above) and spin them into an interpretation (why did Oswald shoot JFK).  With assassinated assassins, this leaves a big hole.  With the guy who shot MLK, he lives awhile longer, but people were careful to debunk anything he said (he was an assassin, so why believe him?).

You almost made sense there...
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Baruch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbwx4Ci1vNo

A different conspiracy, but still about the space race.  And all about your gullibility for Soviet propaganda.  US propaganda (CBS, CNN etc) is just as bad.
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