Milkyway is Gates to Heaven according to some authentic hadith sources

Started by Signu, September 29, 2018, 01:32:05 PM

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Signu

So.... how do muslim scholar see this, literally or just some metaphor.


Ibn 'Abbas said, "The rainbow is security for the people of the earth that they will not be drowned. The Milky Way is the door of the heavens and forms a furrow through it."
Grade   : Sahih (Al-Albani)
Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 767

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Chapter: The Milky Way
Ibn al-Kawwa' asked 'Ali about the Milky Way. He said, "It is the water-trough (or loop of the bag) from which the heaven opens up flowing water."
Grade   : Sahih (Al-Albani)
Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 766


You know, this thing?
If i fly near it with the spaceship, can i see through a portal to some Heaven's gate or something. Just kind of wondered about that.
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Signu

I just noticed now that its not related to Muhammad. What happens when i post too fast, feel like quite a fool now, but mistakes.
Edit: The only way i can do a cop out here is... Muhammad also told his followers to follow the 4 guided caliphs, i think Ali was one of them. But i need to read a source on this, since i am unsure where that came from. But that makes it legit i guess unless Muhammad contradicts it. But then again question is if asking questions on life is one of them or if it just means follow orders
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Baruch

Quote from: Signu on September 29, 2018, 02:02:58 PM
I just noticed now that its not related to Muhammad. What happens when i post too fast, feel like quite a fool now, but mistakes.
Edit: The only way i can do a cop out here is... Muhammad also told his followers to follow the 4 guided caliphs, i think Ali was one of them. But i need to read a source on this, since i am unsure where that came from. But that makes it legit i guess unless Muhammad contradicts it. But then again question is if asking questions on life is one of them or if it just means follow orders

There is much good historical material now debunking what happened before the middle Umayyad period ... as being a foundation myth to back up an ultimately failed regime (Abbasids replacing Umayyads a little over 50 years later).

On the other hand, if you mean the cultural aspect, what Muslim believe about themselves (as opposed to facts of history) then you are well on your way to the Sunni view of things.  But Muhammad wasn't a Sunni, even if he existed at all.

BTW - my style is also to read and type very fast.  Necessitating edits ;-)

Much of the Quran is sourced from folk material in the educated ME culture of late antiquity.  See Tom Holland in particular.
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Blackleaf

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Unbeliever

Heaven's gate was a suicide cult that no one likes to talk about these days - for good reason. Religion can persuade people to kill themselves for the sake of the beliefs.
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Mike Cl

Quote from: Signu on September 29, 2018, 01:32:05 PM
So.... how do muslim scholar see this, literally or just some metaphor.

There really are Muslim scholars??  Scholars?  Doubt it.  They are simply trying to apologize for their theism.  I'm afraid their koran is just as much a fantasy as the bible. 

It's simply Signu, if you are a theist then you believe in a fantasy--feel free to do so, but don't try to peddle the idea that any of it is real or actual.
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Unbeliever

And why would anyone here know or care how Muslim "scholars" see anything? Wouldn't an Islamic forum be a better place for such questions?
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Cavebear

Quote from: Unbeliever on September 30, 2018, 05:27:30 PM
And why would anyone here know or care how Muslim "scholars" see anything? Wouldn't an Islamic forum be a better place for such questions?

And I might add, "The same for Christian, Buddist, Hindu, and all other theistic "scholars"...
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Cavebear

Quote from: Minimalist on December 10, 2018, 10:59:14 PM
"Authentic hadith" is an oxymoron.

And having looked it up on Wikipedia, I understand why.   Sahih ("authentic"), hasan ("good") or da'if ("weak").

Still all complete nonsense...  ;)
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2018, 08:56:22 AM
And having looked it up on Wikipedia, I understand why.   Sahih ("authentic"), hasan ("good") or da'if ("weak").

Still all complete nonsense...  ;)

A system of historiography of reliability of sources.  But it was invented to achieve the political goals of the Hadith faction (Sunnis) over the Caliphate in Baghdad which leaned Shiite.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
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Don't do that.

Cavebear

And after years of looking, I've never seen the Geminid meteors!  It is always too cloudy. 

If it wasn't for the fireball that passed across my family's field of view when we were sitting on the front porch about 1960 (avoiding the hothouse of the house) one evening, I would never have seen any outer space object come to earth. 

It blazed from north to south and we guessed it maybe landed a few miles away. 

LOL! it was seen from Maine to Florida, where it finally landed in the gulf (I think).  It was a lot bigger and higher than we thought...
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Baruch

I have seen maybe two bolides ... they are rare indeed.  You have to be looking in just the right direction at just the right time.  I think both my times, i was driving at night.  They say regular meteors are about a grain of sand in size, and a bolide is usually about pea sized ... before they burn up.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.