'There Is No God', or 'I Believe There Is No God'?

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Atheon

"There is no god." I say it's a conclusion I have reached by recognizing the complete lack of evidence for a god's existence and the complete lack of reasoning that would make a god necessary.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca

Baruch

Quote from: Atheon on January 07, 2017, 12:51:35 AM
"There is no god." I say it's a conclusion I have reached by recognizing the complete lack of evidence for a god's existence and the complete lack of reasoning that would make a god necessary.

Reasoning?  We don't need no stinkin' reasoning!  There are no posters here who are Vulcans.  Humans are not reasonable creatures, not even if they get their ears caught in a harvesting machine accident.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Mike Cl

Quote from: Baruch on January 07, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Reasoning?  We don't need no stinkin' reasoning!  There are no posters here who are Vulcans.  Humans are not reasonable creatures, not even if they get their ears caught in a harvesting machine accident.
Spoken like all christians, or muslims, or hindu, or.....................well, all theists!
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Baruch

Quote from: Mike Cl on January 07, 2017, 09:37:17 AM
Spoken like all christians, or muslims, or hindu, or.....................well, all theists!

Atheists claim to be reasonable, and theists too.  It is a rhetorical stance, like my junk is bigger than your junk.  But that argument is just ... junk.

Humans aren't very much like Vulcans, we are like Klingons.  To which I say, Kplah!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Mike Cl

Quote from: Baruch on January 07, 2017, 09:46:03 AM
Atheists claim to be reasonable, and theists too.  It is a rhetorical stance, like my junk is bigger than your junk.  But that argument is just ... junk.

Humans aren't very much like Vulcans, we are like Klingons.  To which I say, Kplah!
Hey, I'm willing to show my junk--but so far, when I do, the theist has absolutely nothing to show; I think their hands are too small, like The Donald, and therefore they have no junk but think they do. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Atheon

Quote from: Baruch on January 07, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Reasoning?  We don't need no stinkin' reasoning!  There are no posters here who are Vulcans.  Humans are not reasonable creatures, not even if they get their ears caught in a harvesting machine accident.
Occam's Razor.

There is no evidence for a god; there is no reason to believe in a god; there is no explanatory power in the proposition of the existence of a god.

If there is a god, why would he create a world that functions exactly as would be expected if there isn't one, and then hides all evidence of his existence?

It just makes more sense that there is no god.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca

Baruch

Quote from: Atheon on January 07, 2017, 09:57:37 AM
Occam's Razor.

There is no evidence for a god; there is no reason to believe in a god; there is no explanatory power in the proposition of the existence of a god.

If there is a god, why would he create a world that functions exactly as would be expected if there isn't one, and then hides all evidence of his existence?

It just makes more sense that there is no god.

There isn't any god, in any conventional sense (21st century).  You have to delve into the POV of ancient people or Hindus, to get outside the Abrahamic/Western perspective on this.  You have to channel a non-Western or pre-modern POV to experience living religion.  In Western culture, as it has developed, religion has pretty much proved a dead end for explanation or for politics.  Darwin explains ... we are omnivorous killers and exploiters, who breed.  We need to exploit, kill and breed.  If you aren't doing that, then you are useless.  People who are pacifist, or vegetarian, or who have an overbearing conscience ... are useless.  So yes, Western religion is pretty much dying, just as Nietzsche said.  Billionaires kill and eat Millionaires.  Millionaires kill and eat White Collar.  White Collar kill and eat Blue Collar.  Blue Collar kill and eat Unemployed.  Big fish eat little fish.  Law of the Jungle, and Circle of Life.  Hakuna Matata.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

fencerider

either the gods are hiding; for no apparent reason, or they were just a human invention created to manipulate people for the benefit of the ones telling a god story... well I suppose they could have had the indecency to go off and die somewhere else
"Do you believe in god?", is not a proper English sentence. Unless you believe that, "Do you believe in apple?", is a proper English sentence.

Hydra009

Quote from: Baruch on January 07, 2017, 12:30:32 PMDarwin explains ... we are omnivorous killers and exploiters, who breed.  We need to exploit, kill and breed.  If you aren't doing that, then you are useless.  People who are pacifist, or vegetarian, or who have an overbearing conscience ... are useless.
Umm...Charles Darwin never made any of those claims.  Hitler maybe, not Darwin.  Hitler's the one with the mustache in case you get confused.

Baruch

Implied by Origin of Man (his latter book) ... advocated by Huxley, promoted by Charles Sumner.  Can you imagine a Victorian who didn't think the people they colonized weren't unfit?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.