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why are you an atheist?

Started by randomvim, September 11, 2016, 03:14:56 AM

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Johan

Quote from: randomvim on September 16, 2016, 06:38:31 PM
Some atheists don't know the Bible as well as they think they do.  Same may be said for clergy and practicing religious. this is why it should be studied with an open mind.
Either you don't understand what the term open mind means or you don't understand atheists.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

Gawdzilla Sama


And too lazy to google "Clergy Project".
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

doorknob

"you don't have to be so open minded that your brains fall out"

randomvim

#78
Quote from: Johan on September 16, 2016, 07:21:21 PM
So you've decided to leave deuteronomy off your biblical buffet plate then?
No. Deuto is present and well. I remember the taking of hands was for thieves and no passages described a woman as having sinned when she is attacked.

Instead the attacker would have been killed. But many of these laws were man's law.T here is more than Just God in the Bible - or so this is how some Christians describe the Bible.



doorknob

actually I was very open minded while reading the bible and I still determined it to be bull shit. The bible has a lot of very juvenile and shallow teachings. As you would expect to see from its time period.

Nothing special or inspirational there sorry. And I was raised catholic so don't tell me about not knowing what's in the bible. I even had bible study. I still was able to see through it. It's a bunch of garbage that needs to die.

Religion is like a weapon. Yes it can be used for good but often for evil.

randomvim

Quote from: Johan on September 16, 2016, 07:29:24 PM
Either you don't understand what the term open mind means or you don't understand atheists.
I understand the term, and I find it most ironic when said by those who do not mean it.

randomvim

#81
Quote from: doorknob on September 16, 2016, 08:45:15 PM
"you don't have to be so open minded that your brains fall out"
You must be a free thinker.



Quote from: doorknob on September 16, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
actually I was very open minded while reading the bible and I still determined it to be bull shit. The bible has a lot of very juvenile and shallow teachings. As you would expect to see from its time period.

Nothing special or inspirational there sorry. And I was raised catholic so don't tell me about not knowing what's in the bible. I even had bible study. I still was able to see through it. It's a bunch of garbage that needs to die.

Religion is like a weapon. Yes it can be used for good but often for evil.

What is evil?

randomvim


doorknob

I'm guessing you want more than just a dictionary definition?

But evil is the mistreatment of our fellow humans due to the spread of lies and misconceptions of religion. More specifically the christian religion. The only thing that holds the christian base in control is the separation of church and state. The smartest thing our ancestors ever did. The bible enforces superstition and a child's level of understanding of the world around them. While Christianity may have got a few things right, the obvious stealing killing and lying, it also got a lot of things wrong. I am an atheists and I know a few atheists albeit not many. But I've known enough to know that atheists are not evil sinning people. We are just as moral as our fellow humans christian or not.

But your holy book teaches that atheists are evil and deserving of hell. That is immoral.

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: randomvim on September 16, 2016, 08:57:36 PM
Then what is my Bible?
A collection of tall tales told to keep the priests from having to actually work for a living.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

aitm

Quote from: randomvim on September 16, 2016, 08:52:12 PM
No. Deuto is present and well. I remember the taking of hands was for thieves and no passages described a woman as having sinned when she is attacked.

Instead the attacker would have been killed. But many of these laws were man's law.T here is more than Just God in the Bible - or so this is how some Christians describe the Bible.

In short, the twit doesn't even know his own babble. Just another twit trying to teach us about shit we already know of which he has no knowledge. Typical twit.


A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

SGOS

#86
Quote from: randomvim on September 16, 2016, 08:57:36 PM
Then what is my Bible?

6000 years ago, people didn't know much about the world or natural events.  Given the evolution of intelligence, which was both an advantage and a curse, life was suddenly confronted with a new level of confusion.  Getting caught in a rainstorm became more than getting wet and instinctively seeking shelter.  With intelligence, people were confronted with thinking about these things on a philosophical level.  Man started to realize he had a modicum of control over his environment.  I doubt that he thought of it as control.  It was probably more like the delight of a baby in a crib realizing he can make the doo dad over his head spin around by kicking it with his little baby feet.

With the creating of symbols and writing, the best of the writers found it personally advantageous to find things to write about.  But at a time in man's micro evolution, what is there to write about when you know just about nothing by today's standards?  Fantasy and fiction has always been a good bet.  I doubt that these pre-Christian men had nefarious goals, although some probably did, because after all, that is man's nature, so they would make things up.  Others who realized these writers were a leg up in the brains department, would naturally read their musings with a great deal of interest, as if the writers had special knowledge.  After all, they were the best writers of the day, so they probably knew a bunch of other stuff too, right?

It's the same thing we see to day.  People attribute Donald Trump with knowing a lot of things, like how to run a country on the basis that he is incredibly wealthy.  We defer to wealth and credit it with skills beyond the wealth itself.  We give credit that isn't warranted.

So some of these writers attempted to explain what no one knew.  In fact, at that stage of man's intellectual development, even the writers themselves didn't know anything, but they were good writers.  The supernatural was always a hot topic.  It would have been an outgrowth of the inherent ignorance of man, explaining the things that could not be explained, and it offered comfort to the ignorant.  The answers didn't have to be right.  They didn't even have to be rational, but they were disseminated by the intellectually elite, people who could write.

Combined with man's innate gullibility, which is still as natural to mankind today as it was in his history, it's easy to see how these writings, which offered comfort to the ignorant and the gullible could eventually find their way into anthologies, edited and revised by those seeking power and wealth.  Religion, along with writing, was advancing to the next level of authority riding on the skills and tools developed by others.  It's like politicians and corporations hiring consultants and specialists in understanding the psychological tools that have been discovered to make people want to buy more Bufferin or the next generation of the iPhone or to believe whatever gives those in power an extra advantage.

So we end up with holy books for thousands of different religions and philosophies down through the ages.  Some religions fare better than others and develop a transient advantage until something more effective catches on.  Christianity has its Bible.  It's revered by many, offers explanations for things that have no explanations, and offers them as ultimate truths.  But in the end, the texts included in the Bible are the offerings of ancient men steeped in a level of ignorance that is difficult to comprehend in the modern world.

That is the Bible that people adore and revere.

Johan

Quote from: randomvim on September 16, 2016, 08:52:12 PM
No. Deuto is present and well. I remember the taking of hands was for thieves and no passages described a woman as having sinned when she is attacked.

Instead the attacker would have been killed. But many of these laws were man's law.T here is more than Just God in the Bible - or so this is how some Christians describe the Bible.



Read what I wrote. No one said anything about the woman being attacked. It was her husband that was being attacked. Or possibly it was her husband that was attacking another. The passage doesn't really make it clear who started it. Apparently it doesn't matter who started it. If the wife of one man steps in to help her husband and touches the other man's wedding tackle, you must cut off her hand and show her no pity. Seems pretty straight forward to me what god is telling us to do in this particular situation. And yeah, call me crazy but it seems pretty immoral to me.


QuoteIf two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

Baruch

Quote from: Johan on September 17, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
Read what I wrote. No one said anything about the woman being attacked. It was her husband that was being attacked. Or possibly it was her husband that was attacking another. The passage doesn't really make it clear who started it. Apparently it doesn't matter who started it. If the wife of one man steps in to help her husband and touches the other man's wedding tackle, you must cut off her hand and show her no pity. Seems pretty straight forward to me what god is telling us to do in this particular situation. And yeah, call me crazy but it seems pretty immoral to me.

This is why cops still fear to go into domestic violence situations.  They could try to separate the squabbling couple (like the people next door to me, they always argue loudly).  But the cop might try to protect the wife, but she might knife the cop for disturbing her peace.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

SGOS

Quote from: Johan on September 17, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
Read what I wrote. No one said anything about the woman being attacked. It was her husband that was being attacked. Or possibly it was her husband that was attacking another. The passage doesn't really make it clear who started it. Apparently it doesn't matter who started it. If the wife of one man steps in to help her husband and touches the other man's wedding tackle, you must cut off her hand and show her no pity. Seems pretty straight forward to me what god is telling us to do in this particular situation. And yeah, call me crazy but it seems pretty immoral to me.

While the Bible is filled with literally hundreds of disgusting and immoral commands, it's best for the lay people to disregard those parts, just as the true believer does.  It probably means something other than what it literally says and only a true believer can comprehend that something incomprehensibly disgusting is really inspiring and praise worthy.  God would never inspire a goat herder to write something more befitting of Satan.  That's not how God is.  God is perfect goodness, and everything he offers us is true, divine, and therefore perfectly good.