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why are you an atheist?

Started by randomvim, September 11, 2016, 03:14:56 AM

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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: randomvim on September 13, 2016, 10:17:14 AM
Intriguing. what would natural or native refer to; having ease to be an atheist?

Never being anything else. All religious people are programmed in their belief.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Mr.Obvious

Quote from: randomvim on September 13, 2016, 10:32:34 AM
Why do you not? Does a person not justify their own belief?

I don't know how absence of evidence justifies a claim when even in a debate both sides have support that is positive to their own claim.

For example, why are we not perfect?

If there was a God what characteristics would that God have and would that God not want us to be perfect?

I am sure the struggle and division in life may be presented in a way to question not just character but used to justify doubt. And this is just me thinking about an example.

Why would there or should there not be some support to make that doesn't rely on an opposing party?

I have watched debates on other topics and there seems to be some support that doesn't just criticise the other side (though this is understandable and necessary). support that is even separate from the opposing side at times.

If I made a claim and had a belief, I'd be with you in that I'd have to justify it.
But I make no claim and I have no belief in this matter. Only a lack thereoff.
And this lack of belief, my atheism, does not stem from evidence against the existance of any or multiple deities. It stems from those actually making claims of the existence of God(s) never producing anything worthwhile or remotely convincing to support said beliefs and claims.

Look at it this way. Say I were to claim that I am possessed by the ghost of Napoleon. Would it be up to you to prove that I'm not? How can you even prove that I'm not? You don't have te believe me, however, and as such, you'd lack the belief in the claim that I'm making. And if I can't present you decent evidence, you are justified in that lack of beliefs without the need to support it.

In short, the burden of proof is on you. As it would be on me, if I were to try to convince you Napoleon coinhabited my body.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Unbeliever

Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 11, 2016, 05:05:32 AM
I have a feeling he saw this. I'll probably ban him when I wake up this afternoon

Good night, Wesley, sleep tight, I'll most likely kill you in the morning...
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Unbeliever

I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe in Santa Claus, the Rain God, the Sun God and other such similar absurdities. God is just a word people say when they really mean "I don't know."
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

PickelledEggs

I'm an atheist because I'm god, but don't believe in myself.

aitm

I was bout 15 when this Jehovah Witness gal tried to recruit me. She also got a little horny when we talked about religion, the further I went into the "darkness" the harder she tried to lure me out with by letting me finger her. I finally told her I was an atheist and she unzipped me and gave me a wicked hand job. Not bad for a 15 yr old. Enjoyed it too. Now I am convinced atheists get more snatch.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Unbeliever

Couldn't prove it by me - maybe I'm the exception?
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Johan

Quote from: randomvim on September 12, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
what about the Bible seems to be support for being atheist?

For me I guess its because I don't think it would moral of me to cut off my wife's hand if she were to accidentally touch the balls of some dude who is beating the shit out of me. Guess I'm just a rebel that way.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

doorknob

I have many reasons to be an atheist but probably the biggest and most significant reason is that I don't believe in god. There really isn't a good reason to think that there is one. It's all superstition.

Baruch

As a resident theist, I am not part of this string, but I can say that I believe in atheists.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: randomvim on September 12, 2016, 08:19:58 PM
Excuse me. I always saw this sort of opinion as a debate. two sides to one story. in a debate all sides support their own claim with more than just criticism of opposing claim.

Similar to different opinions on gravity, we look at opposing claims and evidence.

You want to debate gravity?  I will just toss you off the roof!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: randomvim on September 13, 2016, 12:11:09 AM
I prefer the atmosphere of a debate. to me, it means a person will stick to their side and support. just as they would stay to the topic of the thread.

I like a good conversation. so be it.

Debates only happen if two people are involved, if both are rational, and both accept the same axioms.  Since not all criteria are met, there are no true debates.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on September 13, 2016, 06:35:47 PM
I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe in Santa Claus, the Rain God, the Sun God and other such similar absurdities. God is just a word people say when they really mean "I don't know."

But I do know ... checkmate ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

randomvim

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Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 13, 2016, 11:15:18 AM
If I made a claim and had a belief, I'd be with you in that I'd have to justify it.
But I make no claim and I have no belief in this matter. Only a lack thereoff.
And this lack of belief, my atheism, does not stem from evidence against the existance of any or multiple deities. It stems from those actually making claims of the existence of God(s) never producing anything worthwhile or remotely convincing to support said beliefs and claims.

Look at it this way. Say I were to claim that I am possessed by the ghost of Napoleon. Would it be up to you to prove that I'm not? How can you even prove that I'm not? You don't have te believe me, however, and as such, you'd lack the belief in the claim that I'm making. And if I can't present you decent evidence, you are justified in that lack of beliefs without the need to support it.

In short, the burden of proof is on you. As it would be on me, if I were to try to convince you Napoleon coinhabited my body.

Even disbelief or the lack there of is a belief in something. If I were to say you are not possess by a ghost of Napoleon (of whom I would guess you refer to the historical figure) : there are three stances I could take.

Either
a. I believe you
b. I don't believe you
c. I'm neutral and don't know what to believe.

both b. and c. lack belief but both are still different. agree?

if I am to say you are not catrering to a French war general and emperor, then it is because I refuse the statement and take a stance opposite or in opposition to yours. I tell myself and provide my own support as to why. Regardless to what those reasons are I must rely on my own support in order to make a decision - otherwise I remain neutral. that is logical.

I do agree that my stance against your spiritual embodiment may not be due to evidence against your statement, but I would still try to think it out.

randomvim



Quote from: Johan on September 14, 2016, 08:45:36 PM
For me I guess its because I don't think it would moral of me to cut off my wife's hand if she were to accidentally touch the balls of some dude who is beating the shit out of me. Guess I'm just a rebel that way.
I know of no such circumstances. by your mannerism expressed, I sense false pretenses based on loose understandings. no worries. I do carry my own loose understandings as well. it is why I focus on  study.