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Started by aitm, September 03, 2014, 10:17:33 PM

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aitm

This has problem written all over it. Consider the complexity of this on a national scale and not just innocent kids playing classroom pictures but drivers licenses and even passports. Why care about women wearing scarabs and veils if one can simply legally dress up as a "cartoon character" and be granted the same license as all of us?

Now don't go all anti tranny on me, this is far more than that...really it is.


http://news.msn.com/us/south-carolina-boy-sues-over-makeup-removal-for-drivers-license-photo
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PickelledEggs

Wah wah wah...

So what? So he had to take off his makeup? He looks like any other girl I've seen without makeup.... The DMV has every reason to have him remove him makeup. Anyone can slather on as much of it as they want and they look like a completely different person. If you don't have any makeup in your license picture, it's easier to identify you in more cases. Even when you have makeup on.  I've known girls that have had to remove makeup before taking a license photo.

Sounds to me like he's a bit butt-hurt over nothing.

EDIT: No pun intended

and I meant "she".... sorry...

stromboli

 :popcorn:

(Stromboli plays waiting game to see how the LGBT's react before choosing a side)

Hydra009

Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 03, 2014, 10:38:22 PMSounds to me like he's a bit butt-hurt over nothing.

EDIT: No pun intended

and I meant "she".... sorry...
No no...you were right the first time.  Gender nonconformist snowflake though he may be, this is someone's son.

And I agree with removing makeup/jewelry for ID photos.  They need to know what you look like au naturel for obvious reasons.

PickelledEggs

Quote from: stromboli on September 03, 2014, 10:43:26 PM
:popcorn:

(Stromboli plays waiting game to see how the LGBT's react before choosing a side)
I am very pro equal rights, but this has nothing to do with equal rights, it has to do with identifying people for safety, security, and other various legal reasons. No one it telling him to not look like a girl or gender-neutral or whatever he is looking to do. They just want to make sure they know that his ID belongs to him and that's all.

Solitary

What happens if he is wearing makeup and gets pulled over by the police and they don't recognize him from the driver license picture with no makeup? Another stupid go by the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law. Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

stromboli

Considering the fact that I have a beard and could, if I chose, shave before getting the picture taken, it seems kind of a non sequitur either way. My son for a while had a picture of himself with hair and now he shaves his head, so whatever.

PickelledEggs

Quote from: stromboli on September 04, 2014, 12:22:56 AM
Considering the fact that I have a beard and could, if I chose, shave before getting the picture taken, it seems kind of a non sequitur either way. My son for a while had a picture of himself with hair and now he shaves his head, so whatever.
Hair was never the issue. They didn't have him change his hair. It's still very much in a girl-style haircut, which is directly translatable to having a beard/not having a beard.

Makeup changes the shape of the nose, the eyes and many other parts of the face. It can change it so much that it can get to the point where it looks like a completely different bone structure, where different hair/facial hair styles does none of that.

IF they made him change his hair, I could see where he would have a problem with it... But they didn't and I don't.

Poison Tree

With out seeing his with and without makeup I can't tell. Obviously men and women could put on enough makeup to alter their appearance but both could just have a typical amount on and look glammed up.

But to stromboli's point; Last time I renewed my license I did it online (which can be done every other time) so my new license still has the old picture/info. So before this one expires I'll have a ten year old picture (more hair on the head, less on the face, no glasses) my Junior year of high school height and weight (off by a couple inches and more than 30 pounds already--although I was briefly back down to that weight a couple summers ago). It is conceivable that someone could look at that info and decide it isn't really me much easier than they would make the same mistake with someone wearing a reasonable amount of makeup.

Just imagine the trouble when some old driver gets a facelift.
"Observe that noses were made to wear spectacles; and so we have spectacles. Legs were visibly instituted to be breeched, and we have breeches" Voltaire�s Candide

SGOS

When I got my last driver's license, I was even instructed not to smile.  It made sense to me.

Munch

What a transvestite wears is the same as what anyone else wears, they still have a standard image under it all.

If muslim women are told to remove the bin liners from their face for a photo then it works for all. However if muslim women thing they should be exempt from removing the bin liners..

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/05/australian-muslim-women-identity-checks

ooooooh....
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

SGOS

It wouldn't make any sense to use identity photos of women wearing burkas.  How about mug shots?  Or Passports?

Jason78

Is there a law in the USA that requires you not to wear makeup on your driving license photo?
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Hydra009

Quote from: Jason78 on September 04, 2014, 08:24:16 AM
Is there a law in the USA that requires you not to wear makeup on your driving license photo?
I'm not sure, and I'm having difficulty finding an direct answer to that question, but I'd wager that Delaware's photo rules are pretty standard.  (while it doesn't mention makeup specifically, it does stress an unobstructed view of the face)

Solitary

Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 04, 2014, 12:59:03 AM
Hair was never the issue. They didn't have him change his hair. It's still very much in a girl-style haircut, which is directly translatable to having a beard/not having a beard.

Makeup changes the shape of the nose, the eyes and many other parts of the face. It can change it so much that it can get to the point where it looks like a completely different bone structure, where different hair/facial hair styles does none of that.

IF they made him change his hair, I could see where he would have a problem with it... But they didn't and I don't.
How can you say that?
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.