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Title: "Ex-gay" bus ad banned and upheld :)
Post by: Fidel_Castronaut on March 22, 2013, 08:45:33 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21894518 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21894518)

A Christian group tried to get a poster put up on London busses to paraody a recent campaign by Stonewall (http://www.stonewall.org.uk/ (http://www.stonewall.org.uk/)).

The original stonewall campaign read "some people are gay. get over it", whereas this new shit read "Not Gay! Ex gay, post gay (???) and proud. Get over it!"

It was banned by the London mayor for being hateful and inaccruate scientifically (moving on from being gay?). the christian group complained to try and get the ban overturned but they had their complaint slapped back in their face by High Court.

A good decision and a clear sign that the courts will not stand for BS like this. I mean, for example:

Quote"We are particularly concerned about the fact ex-gay minorities are not recognised in the legislation of the Equality Act 2010."

The Christian Legal Centre (CLC), which is supporting the Core Issues Trust, said: "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction. They should not be ostracised for doing so but helped, if that is what they choose."

Smokescreen tactics to try and obscure the fact that this organiastion wants to persecute people based on their sexuality. Fuck them.
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Post by: WitchSabrina on March 22, 2013, 09:23:20 AM
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Post by: SilentFutility on March 22, 2013, 11:22:47 AM
Being "ex-gay" isn't being part of a fucking minority. If you were gay, and are now no longer gay, you are, like the vast majority of people, NOT GAY, assuming there is truth in the claim of being an "ex-homosexual".
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Post by: Plu on March 22, 2013, 11:25:09 AM
QuoteBeing "ex-gay" isn't being part of a fucking minority. If you were gay, and are now no longer gay, you are, like the vast majority of people, NOT GAY, assuming there is truth in the claim of being an "ex-homosexual".

I wonder if these ex-gay people would be willing to undergo the brain scanning we can use to see if people are homosexual. (Which, if I'm not mistaken, we can see these days?)
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Post by: Jason78 on March 22, 2013, 11:39:08 AM
[youtube:xpgso81q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53dB-8oEEis[/youtube:xpgso81q]
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Post by: Colanth on March 22, 2013, 01:04:05 PM
But they're not really claiming to be no longer gay.  "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction."  Not acting on your desires doesn't mean that you no longer have those desires.  Bri is right - the amount of stupid is unbelievable.
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Post by: Plu on March 22, 2013, 01:44:43 PM
Quote from: "Colanth"But they're not really claiming to be no longer gay.  "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction."  Not acting on your desires doesn't mean that you no longer have those desires.  Bri is right - the amount of stupid is unbelievable.

In that case they should just join the catholic church. Those repressed gay men have enough rights that they can fiddle kids and get away with it. I don't see what they're complaining about.
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Post by: Jason78 on March 22, 2013, 02:07:33 PM
Quote from: "Plu"
Quote from: "Colanth"But they're not really claiming to be no longer gay.  "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction."  Not acting on your desires doesn't mean that you no longer have those desires.  Bri is right - the amount of stupid is unbelievable.

In that case they should just join the catholic church. Those repressed gay men have enough rights that they can fiddle kids and get away with it. I don't see what they're complaining about.

You seem to be confusing gay with pedophile.
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Post by: ApostateLois on March 23, 2013, 12:25:47 PM
:lol: What movie is that "Pray out the gay" video from?
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Post by: Jason78 on March 23, 2013, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: "ApostateLois":lol: What movie is that "Pray out the gay" video from?

It's from a Malcolm in the Middle episode where Francis pretends to be gay so he can nail some chick.
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Post by: SilentFutility on March 24, 2013, 06:06:47 AM
Quote from: "Colanth"But they're not really claiming to be no longer gay.  "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction."  Not acting on your desires doesn't mean that you no longer have those desires.  Bri is right - the amount of stupid is unbelievable.
Then they're not "ex-gay", they're gay and choosing to be celibate.
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Post by: VaasMontenegro on March 24, 2013, 09:26:34 AM
Religious groups seem to be doing a lot of advertising lately, in-fact, here in Edinburgh, they have a "Try Praying" ad, with some other faded-out bible quotes in the background.

I feel like I should buy some advertising rights and have this advertised next to it:

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Post by: StupidWiz on March 24, 2013, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: "SilentFutility"
Quote from: "Colanth"But they're not really claiming to be no longer gay.  "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction."  Not acting on your desires doesn't mean that you no longer have those desires.  Bri is right - the amount of stupid is unbelievable.
Then they're not "ex-gay", they're gay and choosing to be celibate.
This is what ignorant people confuse by being gay is a choice while actually the fact is this.
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Post by: the_antithesis on March 24, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
[youtube:1i4s1hrg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4[/youtube:1i4s1hrg]
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Post by: Mermaid on March 24, 2013, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "Plu"
Quote from: "Colanth"But they're not really claiming to be no longer gay.  "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction."  Not acting on your desires doesn't mean that you no longer have those desires.  Bri is right - the amount of stupid is unbelievable.

In that case they should just join the catholic church. Those repressed gay men have enough rights that they can fiddle kids and get away with it. I don't see what they're complaining about.

You seem to be confusing gay with pedophile.
Why the fuck do people DO that? It makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by: Plu on March 24, 2013, 02:06:07 PM
Sorry about the possibly inappropriate post. I know it's a confusing, it's just something people say a lot (the whole "priests are gay and/or pedophiles". It wasn't meant to equate the two behaviours, although I can see it might come across as such.
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Post by: Mermaid on March 24, 2013, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: "Plu"Sorry about the possibly inappropriate post. I know it's a confusing, it's just something people say a lot (the whole "priests are gay and/or pedophiles". It wasn't meant to equate the two behaviours, although I can see it might come across as such.
And I saw that and what I wrote that wasn't aimed at you. But I keep reading that, WTF?

I really have to quit reading comments on news stories.
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Post by: SilentFutility on March 24, 2013, 06:10:48 PM
Quote from: "StupidWiz"
Quote from: "SilentFutility"
Quote from: "Colanth"But they're not really claiming to be no longer gay.  "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction."  Not acting on your desires doesn't mean that you no longer have those desires.  Bri is right - the amount of stupid is unbelievable.
Then they're not "ex-gay", they're gay and choosing to be celibate.
This is what ignorant people confuse by being gay is a choice while actually the fact is this.
Well yeah. My original post was a response to their claim that UK law should protect them as a minority (ex-gay), as it protects the homosexual minority. I was saying that they can't have it both ways, if they are ex-gay, they are no longer a minority as the majority are not gay, and if they're gay and choosing to be celibate, then they're not ex-gay.
Title: Re: "Ex-gay" bus ad banned and upheld :)
Post by: AxisMundi on March 25, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21894518

A Christian group tried to get a poster put up on London busses to paraody a recent campaign by Stonewall (http://www.stonewall.org.uk/ (http://www.stonewall.org.uk/)).

The original stonewall campaign read "some people are gay. get over it", whereas this new shit read "Not Gay! Ex gay, post gay (???) and proud. Get over it!"

It was banned by the London mayor for being hateful and inaccruate scientifically (moving on from being gay?). the christian group complained to try and get the ban overturned but they had their complaint slapped back in their face by High Court.

A good decision and a clear sign that the courts will not stand for BS like this. I mean, for example:

Quote"We are particularly concerned about the fact ex-gay minorities are not recognised in the legislation of the Equality Act 2010."

The Christian Legal Centre (CLC), which is supporting the Core Issues Trust, said: "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction. They should not be ostracised for doing so but helped, if that is what they choose."

Smokescreen tactics to try and obscure the fact that this organiastion wants to persecute people based on their sexuality. Fuck them.

Doesn't the UK have truth-in-advertising laws like we do in the US?
Title: Re: "Ex-gay" bus ad banned and upheld :)
Post by: widdershins on March 26, 2013, 12:49:22 PM
I think the laws should be changed to allow protection for ex gays.  And ex ex gays who go back to being gay.  And ex ex ex gays who were gay, then weren't, then were again and now aren't.  And ex ex ex ex gays.  And ex ex ex ex ex gays and ex ex ex ex ex ex gays and ex ex ex ex ex ex ex gays.  And we can't stop there.  We also have to protect ex ex ex ex ex ex ex ex gays, and we certainly can't forget ex ex ex ex ex ex ex ex ex gays.  And while we're at it, there is nothing in the law protecting ex minorities.  And very few of the laws protecting the mentally retarded can actually be applied to the people making this argument, which is not right at all!  We need change!  And we need to protect ex-change (not to be confused with the stock market exchange, which is already beyond any application of law).
Title: Re: "Ex-gay" bus ad banned and upheld :)
Post by: Fidel_Castronaut on March 26, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
Quote from: "AxisMundi"
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21894518

A Christian group tried to get a poster put up on London busses to paraody a recent campaign by Stonewall (http://www.stonewall.org.uk/ (http://www.stonewall.org.uk/)).

The original stonewall campaign read "some people are gay. get over it", whereas this new shit read "Not Gay! Ex gay, post gay (???) and proud. Get over it!"

It was banned by the London mayor for being hateful and inaccruate scientifically (moving on from being gay?). the christian group complained to try and get the ban overturned but they had their complaint slapped back in their face by High Court.

A good decision and a clear sign that the courts will not stand for BS like this. I mean, for example:

Quote"We are particularly concerned about the fact ex-gay minorities are not recognised in the legislation of the Equality Act 2010."

The Christian Legal Centre (CLC), which is supporting the Core Issues Trust, said: "Some people choose not to act on same-sex attraction. They should not be ostracised for doing so but helped, if that is what they choose."

Smokescreen tactics to try and obscure the fact that this organiastion wants to persecute people based on their sexuality. Fuck them.

Doesn't the UK have truth-in-advertising laws like we do in the US?

Yes, we have the advertising standards authority which assesses 'truth' claims within advertising (flimsy as this is entirely subjective).

The reason for an appeal attempt by the Christian group is not because their advert was banned, rather the the way it was banned (the mayor of London stepping in to force the hand of transport for London which, to be fair, was probably going to ban it anyway).