https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdSsJQ-fvOU
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/37510173.jpg)
I love the "Go home boy, who the hell elected you" ^^
You have to understand these poor chaps. They're used to see this:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/josephpalazzo/niquab.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/josephpalazzo/media/niquab.jpg.html)
And now they get to see this:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/josephpalazzo/ngerman%20school%20girls.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/josephpalazzo/media/ngerman%20school%20girls.jpg.html)
And so they go berserky...
People in western Europe are learning about Islam and Muslims. The hard way. Better late than never.
But there is no refugee "crisis". This was was planned for a long time and executed as per plan.
This is hijra, or migration jihad (look it up on Google) with the full knowledge and approval of the EU.
Jihad by demographic.
I wonder how the Eastern European members of the EU will be persuaded to play ball and accept their quota of "refugees".
One thing is in their favor is that Western Europe has generous welfare, and the "refugees" want to go there.
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/tbXHy2B.jpg)[/spoiler]
I saw this, and just thought of this thread right off.
If you want to come to europe, expect to be given the same British sent of wit we do for everyone else.
Quote from: Munch on February 07, 2016, 03:25:15 PM
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/tbXHy2B.jpg)[/spoiler]
I saw this, and just thought of this thread right off.
If you want to come to europe, expect to be given the same British sent of wit we do for everyone else.
I've got news for you. When the Iranian President recently visited Italy, they had to cover naked "STATUES". How fucking crazy is that?
See: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/europe/italy-covered-naked-statues-rouhani/
'Suddenly' there is a Refugee Crisis in Europe. Then 'Suddenly' the crisis becomes a Sexual Assault Crisis everywhere. And then 'Suddenly' the word REFUGEE gets changed to MIGRANTS (SEXUALLY HARASS GERMAN SCHOOL GIRLS) on videos about what noone knows. And now Migrant Sexual Assault Crisis is eeeeverywheeere.
And again when 'Suddenly' this train crashes somewhere people will be so shocked at how the fuck all that happened.
You realise that the man in the video claims that refugees migrants do not go to prison for the crimes they commit, right? :lol: Yes, German government lets refugees and migrants go away, but just prosecute German perpetrators, because they are evil. How stupid can you get.
There is NOTHING extraordinary in that video but what people in Europe live in their ordinary lives, other than a half assed propaganda from its title to what it shows. Those people are there, because of what they watch and read in the media.
E: By the way is there really a case that was carried to the police with an official complain?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on February 02, 2016, 10:31:34 AM
You have to understand these poor chaps. They're used to see this:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/josephpalazzo/niquab.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/josephpalazzo/media/niquab.jpg.html)
OMG, the third one in is showing a FOOT!!
You know, when I was like 10, i would do stupid things like insult someone because of what they wore and how they looked, like most stupid kids end up doing before they grow out of it and understand how to be mature and not make fun of anyone because of what makes them different.
Nowadays when I see people walking around like that in a free country in europe, I make fun of them for completely different reasons, and I live in awe at what people like george carlin left for us.
Don't make fun of people because their different, just make fun of them because their fucking stupid and expect to be seen otherwise.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 07, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
There is NOTHING extraordinary in that video but what people in Europe live in their ordinary lives [...]
Really nothing at all? Wasn't it outrageous to tell women how to act to avoid being attacked according to feminists, you know the whole teach men not to rape rather than telling women how to behave. I think it was called victim blaming or something and it was such a terrible sexist thing to do. It's 2016 after all, women should be able to do whatever they want with complete disregard of risk factors right? Surely you are not one of those racist feminists in bed with the islamists that have lower expectations of muslims and therefore think theres nothing out of the ordinary or wrong in telling school girls to behave in unprovoking ways around the poor muslims cause you know they just can't help themselves. I hope not.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 07, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
'Suddenly' there is a Refugee Crisis in Europe. Then 'Suddenly' the crisis becomes a Sexual Assault Crisis everywhere. And then 'Suddenly' the word REFUGEE gets changed to MIGRANTS (SEXUALLY HARASS GERMAN SCHOOL GIRLS) on videos about what noone knows. And now Migrant Sexual Assault Crisis is eeeeverywheeere.
And again when 'Suddenly' this train crashes somewhere people will be so shocked at how the fuck all that happened.
You realise that the man in the video claims that refugees migrants do not go to prison for the crimes they commit, right? :lol: Yes, German government lets refugees and migrants go away, but just prosecute German perpetrators, because they are evil. How stupid can you get.
There is NOTHING extraordinary in that video but what people in Europe live in their ordinary lives, other than a half assed propaganda from its title to what it shows. Those people are there, because of what they watch and read in the media.
E: By the way is there really a case that was carried to the police with an official complain?
There is nothing sudden about this problem, this goes back several years. Its only culminated recently, probably as a result of what happened in many European cities just over a month ago (It certainly wasn't just Cologne)
What you see in the video, the suggestion of insultingly irrational protocol for native Europeans to follow, is anything but an isolated situation in Europe.
QuoteAnd again when 'Suddenly' this train crashes somewhere people will be so shocked at how the fuck all that happened.
The difference here is that the current leaders aren't trying to cover something like that up.
They have been covering up crimes committed by migrants, specifically rape.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12090655/German-authorities-accused-of-migrant-attack-cover-up.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/11/swedish-police-accused-cover-up-sex-attacks-refugees-festival
I could provide myriad additional links if I felt it was necessary to drive the point home.
I don't really understand it myself, that is why irrecoverably liberal minded/politically correct leaders have taken it upon themselves to afflict native Europeans in this way, but this indeed seems to be what is going on.
Why are they so prone to rape? They come from a backwards misogynistic culture. Here is a story from Norway I found difficult to believe:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?_r=0
Lessons on how to treat women. From the article:
QuoteA course manual sets out a simple rule that all asylum seekers need to learn and follow: “To force someone into sex is not permitted in Norway, even when you are married to that person.â€
Its astonishing people actually need to be instructed that rape is wrong, and imo almost equally astonishing if anyone thinks such a measure as this will have an impact on what these people have believed all their lives; unfortunately, it explains a lot.
Honestly, at this point I can't blame these countries for wanting to close their borders. If you knew that an alarming amount of people from a certain background didn't know rape was wrong, would you let them in to your country?
Mauricio ... there are a lot of different cultures out there, and it is incredibly First World to suppose that we all agree on what is moral. I am sure that there are different societies that define "sexual assault" differently than say Ireland (like priests doing it don't count). I am not exculpating bad behavior on the part of immigrants or work-fare people. In the US and Mexico, you would think that being a drug lord and beheading execution specialist ... would be obviously forbidden. But there are sizable parts of society that don't attend lady's tea where you go.
And of course none of these people are being vetted for a criminal record .. anymore than the coyotes who bring Mexicans here illegally, are being careful. And liberal politicians in Europe or America ... aren't doing anyone favors ... but you already knew that. It is a conspiracy theory, but there are links between organized crime in Syria, Turkey, Greece and on into Germany. They are all making a killing, and the politicians ... they are taking campaign contributions, same as in the US or Mexico.
Munch - that lady is only showing "shoe". In Victorian times, you had to show at least a stocking covered ankle, before the Victorian gentlemen would have an attack of the vapors ;-)
QuoteDon't make fun of people because their different, just make fun of them because their fucking stupid and expect to be seen otherwise.
So because they wear a different set of clothing than you because they or their parents were born in country B instead of A, they are stupid.
This is why we can't have nice things...
Quote from: Shiranu on February 08, 2016, 12:02:39 AM
So because they wear a different set of clothing than you because they or their parents were born in country B instead of A, they are stupid.
This is why we can't have nice things...
Judging by your new avatar picture ... I expect you will go on carping about various things ;-)
I don't know that anyone here is a bigot ... but they sometimes play at being one.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 08, 2016, 12:02:39 AM
So because they wear a different set of clothing than you because they or their parents were born in country B instead of A, they are stupid.
This is why we can't have nice things...
I'm sorry you find what i'm saying disagreeable Shiranu, I just find it disturbing that in a free country like those in europe like germany, norway or uk, where in schools they have a dress code, that people who came from countries in the middle east are allowed to those cloths instead of the standard school uniform because of their fear of being punished by their family in our free nations.
In their own countries I find it disgusting men force women to dress this way, but in countries like europe, it gives me a sense of rage that women here are wearing such cloths, in schools, for nothing less then deep seeded religious reasons.
I take the piss only because I'm trying to take a more light hearted approach to something that is actually disturbing, and it keeps me from raging at the system that allows it. Women should not be forced to wear that oppressive outfit, Sharia law should be kept out of europe, and so on.
Also, while we're on the subject of not "provoking" them, I saw a recent video on from the sceptic fence show on the state of things in Calais, how bad its gotten there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH6RYZSsYfA
These are economic migrants attacking citizens of Calais on their own doorsteps.
Quote from: Cocoa Beware on February 07, 2016, 11:12:14 PM
There is nothing sudden about this problem, this goes back several years. Its only culminated recently, probably as a result of what happened in many European cities just over a month ago (It certainly wasn't just Cologne)
What you see in the video, the suggestion of insultingly irrational protocol for native Europeans to follow, is anything but an isolated situation in Europe.
The difference here is that the current leaders aren't trying to cover something like that up.
They have been covering up crimes committed by migrants, specifically rape.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12090655/German-authorities-accused-of-migrant-attack-cover-up.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/11/swedish-police-accused-cover-up-sex-attacks-refugees-festival
I could provide myriad additional links if I felt it was necessary to drive the point home.
I don't really understand it myself, that is why irrecoverably liberal minded/politically correct leaders have taken it upon themselves to afflict native Europeans in this way, but this indeed seems to be what is going on.
Why are they so prone to rape? They come from a backwards misogynistic culture. Here is a story from Norway I found difficult to believe:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?_r=0
Lessons on how to treat women. From the article:
Its astonishing people actually need to be instructed that rape is wrong, and imo almost equally astonishing if anyone thinks such a measure as this will have an impact on what these people have believed all their lives; unfortunately, it explains a lot.
Honestly, at this point I can't blame these countries for wanting to close their borders. If you knew that an alarming amount of people from a certain background didn't know rape was wrong, would you let them in to your country?
I see. So you thought before all this that RAPE DIDN'T EXIST in Europe? You thought that police did report sexual crimes before in Europe? Police covers up information on sexual cases ALL THE TIME. You know what your posts explain? The ordinary usual bullshit that you are fucking clueless about how rape crime is handled ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
You know sometimes I really wish that I hadn't had my old posts deleted. I wrote pages and pages in the last 4 years about RAPE CRIME IN WESTERN CULTURE -European and American alike- with specific solved cases and how they were handled, about victim and perpetrators. Nobody fucking read a line, because a crazy feminist was writing them.
You know what was and still is the main attitude/reaction here in this forum in rape threads? FALSE ALLEGATIONS and COCK TEASING. Yeah. And how that stupid women/girls got raped and that they are the ones who should be taught about the RISKS THEY SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN GOING OUT WITH MEN. You were talking about 'being prone to rape'? Same people scream their heads off to feminists, because they supposedly say that 'all men are rapists'
Now, when it is about muslim mniorities SUDDENLY everyone is so 'sensitive' about rape, but we do not even have one fucking special case that shows there is a special, extra situation that is going on. SUDDENLY, all men in another group arerapists and SUDDENLY it makes great sense that women and girls shouldn't be told what to do.
Why? Because suddenly a media that is directed by just a few company floods every fucking 'news' sources with sexual assault cases by refugees which has now has been turned in to 'MIGRANTS'.
Just several years ago, nearly 40 % women in UK said that women do not 'deserve' being raped rape because of what they are wearing, but they do if they are drunk AND more than 30 % of males said they 'deserve' being raped if they wear revealing, provoking clothes, but not so much when they are drunk. In the thread this survey was posted in 2012, a big argument broke out on that this can't be happening in the fucking UK. Yeah.
What exactly happened here? What is this wave of rape and sexual crime that has been going on in schools threatening everyone? Does that make sense to you that in an 80 million country in the Europe, a country has been a home to millions of muslim migrants for decades, but just after they got 35 000 syrian refugees running away from war, there breaks out sexual assualt wave commited by 'migrants' THREATENING EVERYONE?
Those are concerned parents that has been turned into freaking morons because what they are reading in media. They are not discussing that something happened and carried to police. They are there because of the media fuel. The mayor says there is nothing extra going on and asks that if they thought this is not happening in German schools. And a moron says that 'migrants' -he means refugees by the way- are not prosecuted for their crimes in Germany. How stupid are you to think that in Germany a group of people, 'migrants' no less are treated above the law and not get a sentence?!
What is he going to tell that to a group full of morons that thinks muslim refugees are given green card to rape? How stupid can you get?!
This is what happens when people do not take responsibility of their actions in the media. What the fuck did they think this is, a fucking game?
People are going to die because of this bullshit. FOR NOTHING. And everybody is going to blame each other when it is too late.
People who are not able to define
-the mass shootings in their country -how many in just 1 year again?- as a CRISIS, but call it something almost traditional which mentally ill people kill stupid people,
-college rape epidemic as a sexxual assault CRISIS, blaming their country's Justice Department to promote a campaign against men,
-the blatant domestic terrorism going on in their country as domestic terrorism, (what did you think Oregon was?)
losing their heads by a media campaign launched up by a few companies -across the ocean- which own the 90 % of media on the planet AND do not even get curious -fuck scepticism at this point of willful stupidity- 'what the fuck is going on'.
Somebody smacks your head, you smash it on the wall. Don't criticise the monstrous military budget, guys. Really don't. Without that there ain't no shit for ya. It makes me think that 'some people up there' really trying hard for you.
I understand that Germany has a misogyny problem, aside from immigrants. Could they and other Europeans be in denial? I only thought stupid shit and denialism happened in the US (sarc).
The propaganda flows, just like Goebbels said it would. The bad lessons of the 1930s aren't forgotten. Who benefits from demonizing immigrants, particularly when they are darker complexioned? Oh, only the US is racist (sarc).
It's not just something about Germany. Europe is not different than anywhere else on misogyny or misandry or general gender issues. Rape cases, victims and perpetrators treated by the same bullshit rules as anywhere else. The individual's perspective/perception about his own culture is based on his identity. Westerners define themselves as in contrast with a primitive culture which is supposedly their opposite.
Germany is the main target, because they openly supported refugees, they lead the economy and their migrant plan for next decades is stronger and bigger than any other continental EU countries. (France has a very different structure)
However, refugee, asylum sekeer and migrant are very different things. A small group of ALL those refugees EU takes will be migrants. You cannot just get to be a migrant, because you are a refugee.
Now, you want to pull something down and you need to strike back. How do you do that? Which angle do you choose? Economy? Unemployment? But none of these have a sensational value that can be provoked in a few news piece, catch the eye of a parent or ordinary people and frighten them. You need something that would spark a vicious fight and at the same time something that will play right into the extreme contrasts that has been advertised for more than decade now. Something that will make pople really uncomfortable and angry. Sexual assault. Nothing is better. There you go. Jack pot.
I don't mean this is a conspiracy theory. NO, it is not. Nor I am claiming that nothing is going on. This is so simple, you do not need any tangled up webs and conspiracies. This is how people work. They read/watch one thing in news and that's whole their idea about something is based on. You give them a hundred, it doesn't matter what is really going on. The name of it is enough. There is no going back.
With a media campaign this massive, you can be damn sure something else is going on behind the curtains when everybody is busy with a sexual assault epidemic going on streets and somebody is benefitting and profitting from their fear and panic. You can do with everything when people are in fear and panic.
Today in Sweden 1 in 4 women can expect to be raped in her lifetime. Based on current trends that number is probably going to increase due mainly to immigration. The number of reported rapes in Sweden jumped from 9.6 per 100,000 of population (already high by western standards) in 2003 to 53.1 per 100,000 in 2013. That is a 553% increase. The Swedish government does not keep statistics on ethnicity or religion for this kind of thing, but according to rape advocacy groups 77.6% of rapes in Sweden are committed by migrant men. A demographic that currently makes up about 2% of the population. From what I've read Sweden received about 200,000 refugees in 2015. If a quarter of them are adult males between 15 and 54 (the age group that commits the most rapes) and the statistics hold true in 2016 you can expect the rape rate in Sweden to increase to 63.4 per 100,000 of population due to the recent influx of migrants. That's a further increase of about 19.4% above the 2013 rate. It translate to 1,030 more rapes committed by migrants in addition to the 4,120 they were responsible for in 2013.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on February 08, 2016, 08:46:22 AM
Today in Sweden 1 in 4 women can expect to be raped in her lifetime. Based on current trends that number is probably going to increase due mainly to immigration. The number of reported rapes in Sweden jumped from 9.6 per 100,000 of population (already high by western standards) in 2003 to 53.1 per 100,000 in 2013. That is a 553% increase. The Swedish government does not keep statistics on ethnicity or religion for this kind of thing, but according to rape advocacy groups 77.6% of rapes in Sweden are committed by migrant men. A demographic that currently makes up about 2% of the population. From what I've read Sweden received about 200,000 refugees in 2015. If a quarter of them are adult males between 15 and 54 (the age group that commits the most rapes) and the statistics hold true in 2016 you can expect the rape rate in Sweden to increase to 63.4 per 100,000 of population due to the recent influx of migrants. That's a further increase of about 19.4% above the 2013 rate. It translate to 1,030 more rapes committed by migrants in addition to the 4,120 they were responsible for in 2013.
NO, they don't and NO, it didn't. Swedish sexual assualt laws have been changed to file every sexual assault case as a seperate case per the sexual crime. This is actually an old story, but yeah this is what I am talking about when I say
how people work.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
QuoteIs it true? Yes. The Swedish police recorded the highest number of offences - about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants - of any force in Europe, in 2010. The second-highest in the world.
This was three times higher than the number of cases in the same year in Sweden's next-door neighbour, Norway, and twice the rate in the United States and the UK. It was more than 30 times the number in India, which recorded about two offences per 100,000 people.
On the face of it, it would seem Sweden is a much more dangerous place than these other countries.
But that is a misconception, according to Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. She says you cannot compare countries' records, because police procedures and legal definitions vary widely.
"In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics," she says.
"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."
The thing is, the number of reported rapes has been going up in Sweden - it's almost trebled in just the last seven years. In 2003, about 2,200 offences were reported by the police, compared to nearly 6,000 in 2010.
So something's going on.
But Klara Selin says the statistics don't represent a major crime epidemic, rather a shift in attitudes. The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked.
The police have also made efforts to improve their handling of cases, she suggests, though she doesn't deny that there has been some real increase in the number of attacks taking place - a concern also outlined in an Amnesty International report in 2010.
"There might also be some increase in actual crime because of societal changes. Due to the internet, for example, it's much easier these days to meet somebody, just the same evening if you want to. Also, alcohol consumption has increased quite a lot during this period.
"But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before."
There is this excerpt translated to English from Oslo Police department:
http://tr.scribd.com/doc/76695373/Excerpt-From-Oslo-Police-District-Report-on-Rape
QuoteIt was previously mentioned that the total number of cases with a reported perpetrator is 152, comprising131 different persons. A number of persons are thus reported as perpetrators in connection with multiplerapes. In the following figure the continental background is shown only for unique perpetrators (each perpetrator is only counted once, irrespective of the number of reports in which this individual issuspected or was seen). The proportion of perpetrators (unique persons) of Norwegian national background is the group whose representation increases the most, comprising 38.2% of perpetrators.Together this brings the proportion of perpetrators with a European continental background to a total of 51.9%. The proportion with an Asian background falls to 11.5%, but otherwise the continental background profile is stable. Africa was 28.5%, while they made up 30.5% in the distribution of casesshown previously. This may be explained by the fact that a number of unique perpetrators of an African background were reported for more than one rape in the course of the year.
If you distribute unique perpetrators by nationality, the largest groups originate in Norway (50), Iraq (8),Pakistan (9), Lithuania (7), Morocco (6), Somalia, Afghanistan and Sweden (5), Turkey and Gambia (4).When you break down the rape reports by type of rape and identified suspect/person seen's country of origin, you come closer to a more nuanced picture of the relationship between rape and ethnicity. Crudegeneralizations that have given the impression that rapists are only foreigners â€" and primarily Muslims â€" are shown to be inadequate and erroneous. Below it can be seen that the largest group (11.8%) of perpetrators among all 152 known suspects/persons seen were Norwegian and reported for relationshiprape. This may to a certain extent be attributed to the fact that perpetrators in relationship rapes are moreoften identified individuals than those who are reported in other types of rape. But the next largest groupsalso comprise persons with a Norwegian background; 10% were Norwegians reported for party-relatedviolations, 9.2% were Norwegians reported for vulnerability rapes. Significant groups among knownsuspects/persons seen are also 7.9% of European origin and were reported for party-related rape. These arefollowed by 7.9% of Middle-Eastern origin reported for relationship rapes.
The ethnic profile for all types of rape except assault rape is dominated by persons of Norwegian origin, but is otherwise varied. If citizenship had been used as a background variable the proportion of Norwegians would have been even higher. For party-related rape, in addition to the Norwegian 32.7%,there is a large proportion with another European background (24.5%). Together with the Norwegians,Europeans make up more than half of the known perpetrators. Perpetrators from the Middle-East, who areover-represented among those reported for assault rape, are under-represented in this party-related type of rape.
It must be emphasized once more that the marked over-representation of individuals from a minority background in connectionwith several types of rape cannot be interpreted as a result of alien culture being a causal explanation for rape. The reports apply to only a few of the rapes that occur, and the inclination to report rape is different for perpetrators of Norwegian origin than it is for those of a different country of origin. Furthermore thereis thorough quantitative research to confirm that statistical differences in criminal behavior between ethnic groups disappear when the figures are controlled for the socio-economic circumstances in which theindividuals concerned have grown up in Norway.
So yes, Norway has a rape problem. It's relationship rape among Norwegian man.
Overall there is nothing, but nothing on some sexual assault or rape epidemic of a muslim minority origin other than the usual. There is fucking media, which is more powerful and destructive than anything as you can see.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 08, 2016, 09:19:30 AM
NO, they don't and NO, it didn't. Swedish sexual assualt laws have been changed to file every sexual assault case as a seperate case per the sexual crime. This is actually an old story, but yeah this is what I am talking about when I say how people work.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
So you can account for some of the increase through increased/changed reporting. I doubt if changes the fact that only about 1 in 3 rapes are reported to begin with. How many of the reported cases were women reporting they had been raped everyday for the past year by their husband? Did that actually happen, or is it just an example of how the numbers could get skewed? How does that change 77% of reported cases are committed by a demographic that makes up 2% of the population? Worldwide a little more than half of reported rapes are committed by people unknown to the victim. Is Sweden an exception to this statistic? If not then there was still at least a 275% increase in sexual assaults that can't be accounted for by "my husband raped me every day for the past year."
And yes, I understand that something less than 2% of that 2% of the population is responsible for these additional acts, but how does increased reporting change the fact that adding another 50,000 immigrant men to the population will probably result in an additional 1000 reported rapes this year alone? How does any of what you wrote change the fact that a male refugee in Sweden is 20 times more likely to commit a violent sexual act against a woman than a male of Swedish decent?
None of this means that I think western countries should stop accepting Muslim refugees from the conflict in Syria and Iraq. Even Kurds from Turkey for that matter. What it does mean though is before being accepted into a country they need to agree to abide by the laws of their new home. Laws that may conflict with Sharia law. Laws that say women are equals not property. Laws that say their adult daughters and even their wives are free to go where they want when they want, wear what they please, and even have sex with others should they desire. If they can't agree to these things they shouldn't be allowed to stay. If they break these laws they should expect to go to jail and/or be deported. I don't think it is too much to ask for them to be told they must conform to new rules as opposed to adjusting the rules to suit them.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 08, 2016, 09:38:48 AM
So yes, Norway has a rape problem. It's relationship rape among Norwegian man.
Overall there is nothing, but nothing on some sexual assault or rape epidemic of a muslim minority origin other than the usual. There is fucking media, which is more powerful and destructive than anything as you can see.
This is where we disagree on the usefulness on the application of statistics to crime, Shoe. Even though the majority of reported crimes may be committed by the majority demographic; The minority demographic is committing the same crimes at a higher individual rate. This doesn't mean that the crimes committed by the majority demographic aren't a problem. It does mean that an individual from the minority is statistically more likely to commit the crime though. While you may not find that significant I do. I do because it would be more effective way to reduce crime by concentrating on changing the behaviors of the minority groups that lead to higher crime rates. That doesn't mean efforts shouldn't be made in changing the behaviors of the majority demographic, but in most cases any efforts in that direction will apply across the entire population. Special attention is required to make changes within the minority demographic in order to bring their crime rates back down to the norm for the population as a whole.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on February 08, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
This is where we disagree on the usefulness on the application of statistics to crime, Shoe. Even though the majority of reported crimes may be committed by the majority demographic; The minority demographic is committing the same crimes at a higher individual rate. This doesn't mean that the crimes committed by the majority demographic aren't a problem. It does mean that an individual from the minority is statistically more likely to commit the crime though. While you may not find that significant I do. I do because it would be more effective way to reduce crime by concentrating on changing the behaviors of the minority groups that lead to higher crime rates. That doesn't mean efforts shouldn't be made in changing the behaviors of the majority demographic, but in most cases any efforts in that direction will apply across the entire population. Special attention is required to make changes within the minority demographic in order to bring their crime rates back down to the norm for the population as a whole.
To some extent you can make the case that the influx of migrants is viewed suspiciously and becomes a focus for resentment, and any change in statistics is falsely applied as a default.
But to see a high number shift statistically after a given period when the only significant change is the influx of migrants from a specific group, it is not difficult to draw the conclusion that said migrant group is responsible. And in the case of women being harassed for their dress or heckled by that group specifically is more than enough reason to view that group with suspicion and take steps to prevent it.
Based on ... will you follow the laws of this country ... the majority of Americans would be denied citizenship. It isn't just an immigrant problem. Most Americans would fail the knowledge test that new citizens go thru.
And we have the same statistical problems in the US ... the majority of certain kinds of crime are done by young African-American men. Shall we, on that basis alone (not a conviction) deport all of them?
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on February 08, 2016, 11:33:09 AM
So you can account for some of the increase through increased/changed reporting. I doubt if changes the fact that only about 1 in 3 rapes are reported to begin with. How many of the reported cases were women reporting they had been raped everyday for the past year by their husband? Did that actually happen, or is it just an example of how the numbers could get skewed? How does that change 77% of reported cases are committed by a demographic that makes up 2% of the population? Worldwide a little more than half of reported rapes are committed by people unknown to the victim. Is Sweden an exception to this statistic? If not then there was still at least a 275% increase in sexual assaults that can't be accounted for by "my husband raped me every day for the past year."
I posted an article about the reporting system. I copied and pasted the relevant part so it would be easier for you to read. You took the example given in the article, turned into STRAWMAN and threw back to me. She could have said 3 or 50 or 1000. She said 300. Random number. Completely irrelevant the statistics of rape you posted.
The subject is NOT rape statistics. It's the RAPE EPÄ°DEMIC that threatens everyone and how 1 in 4 women will be raped bullshit. Of course there is rape everywhere.
The Swedish rape epidemic links on the internet are various. The original one spread by media (Pat Condell) reported % 300 increase just in 2012. Now the same report is much higher and rising.
If you read the links I posted, you would see that they do not claim that migrants don't rape or commit sexual assault BUT THAT THEY ARE IN THE NORMAL RANGE, higher or not.
QuoteAnd yes, I understand that something less than 2% of that 2% of the population is responsible for these additional acts, but how does increased reporting change the fact that adding another 50,000 immigrant men to the population will probably result in an additional 1000 reported rapes this year alone? How does any of what you wrote change the fact that a male refugee in Sweden is 20 times more likely to commit a violent sexual act against a woman than a male of Swedish decent?
The discussion is something far more about a general increase in rape.
It is the report that 1 in every 4 women is expected to be raped in a estimated 5 million female population, the explanation is that the recent refugee intake. 1. Sweden rape report was made
BEFORE the Refugee Crisis and the recent intake of 50 000 refugees.
2. Sweden was the
RAPE CAPITAL of the Europe in 1989-1996 report. In fact the percentage of minority rape was HIGHER in 1996 and fell down considerably.
What didn't exist in 1996: a. It was before 9/11.
b. Western policy regarding muslim communities countries to support the invasion of Afghanistan and Irak; atrocities and destruction didn't exist.
c. The Western media didn't belong to a few giant companies, but many other ones. It wasn't profitable or beneficial.
d. It wasn't regarded as an epidemic, because it is not. And still is not.
3. Sweden has an exceptional place on rape statistic:
a.
Willingness to report. Sweden is NOT continental Europe, UK or US. It has the highest rape report on th eplanet also the number one country in gender eqaulity.
b.
Definition of Rape. Definition of rape is very broad. Which is very good. Example. (This is an example) Sweden is the only country a man could be prosecuted for rape after commiting digital penetration.
c.
Reporting system. Since 2005. First time after 9/11 when this subject came up. Every sexual assault act is recorded AS ONE CASE. You get this right? There is no woman talking about his husband.
d. While the willingness of reporting rape is much higher, there is also another factor taken officially into account that plays in to minority rape statistic and it is the fact that it is always eaiser for people to REPORT a perpetrator from an alien culture than a one from their own; circle of friends, colleagues, work...etc. It was in that report.
e.
So there is no fucking rape epidemic threatening everyoen that guarantees th erap eof 1 in every 4 women in Sweden. The increase in crimes and sexual crimes are evaluated as in the normal range. And yes they do mak eup for the media bullshit. Because it is ridiculous to think that while 1 in every 4 women is in danger to be raped by one minoirty, there is no state of emergency declared.
While other Western countries play with his as a poitical tool or advertise high rape statistic as Sweden in trouble with muslim minorities, they are in fact VERY PROUD of it. And they SHOULD BE.QuoteLegislation[edit]
The first statutory law against rape in Sweden dates back to 13th century. It was considered a serious crime, punishable by death until 1779.[2] The current Swedish Penal Code was adopted in 1962 and enacted on 1 January 1965.[22] A long-standing tradition of gender equality policy and legislation, as well as an established feminist movement, have led to several legislative changes and amendments, greatly expanding the definition of rape.[3][23] For example, in 1965 Sweden was one of the first countries in the world to criminalise marital rape.[23] Homosexual acts and gender neutrality was first introduced in 1984,[24] and sex with someone by improperly exploiting them while they are unconscious (e.g. due to intoxication or sleep) was included in the definition of rape in 2005.[4]
This excerpt is an unofficial translation, provided by the Ministry of Justice, of the 2014 legal definition of rape:
A person who by assault or other violence or by threat of a criminal act forces another person to have sexual intercourse or to undertake or endure another sexual act that, in view of the seriousness of the violation, is comparable to sexual intercourse, shall be sentenced for rape to imprisonment for at least two and at most six years.
This also applies if a person engages with another person in sexual intercourse or in a sexual act which under the first paragraph is comparable to sexual intercourse by improperly exploiting that the person, due to unconsciousness, sleep, serious fear, intoxication or other drug influence, illness, physical injury or mental disturbance, or otherwise in view of the circumstances, is in a particularly vulnerable situation.[25]
In Sweden, case law also plays an important role in setting precedent on the application of the legislation. For example, a 2008 ruling by the Supreme Court decided that digital penetration of the vagina, on a woman who is intoxicated or sleeping, shall be regarded as an sexual act comparable to sexual intercourse, and is therefore an act of rape.[26][27]
Swedish rape statistics[edit]
Ever since the collation of crime statistics was initiated by the Council of Europe, Sweden has had the highest number of registered rape offences in Europe by a considerable extent. In 1996, Sweden registered almost three times the average number of rape offences registered in 35 European countries. However, this does not necessarily mean rape is three times as likely to occur as in the rest of Europe, since cross-national comparisons of crime levels based on official crime statistics are problematic, due to a number of factors described below.[11][28][29][30]
There are three types of factors that determine the outcome of crime statistics: statistical factors, legal factors, and substantive factors.[11][28][29] The combined effect of these "make it safe to contend that the Swedish rape statistics constitute an 'over-reporting' relative to the European average", according to a study by Hanns von Hofer, Professor of Criminology at Stockholm University, published by The European Journal on Criminal Policy and Research.[11]
Statistical factors[edit]
Unlike the majority of countries in Europe, crime data in Sweden are collected when the offence in question is first reported, at which point the classification may be unclear. In Sweden, once an act has been registered as rape, it retains this classification in the published crime statistics, even if later investigations indicate that no crime can be proven or if the offence must be given an alternative judicial classification.[11][28][29]
Sweden also applies a system of expansive offence counts. Other countries may employ more restrictive methods of counting. The Swedish police registers one offence for each person raped, and if one and the same person has been raped on a number of occasions, one offence is counted for each occasion that can be specified. For example, if a woman says she has been raped by her husband every day during a year, the Swedish police may record more than 300 cases of rape. In many other countries only a single offence would be counted in such a situation.[8][11][15][29][30]
In Sweden, crime statistics refer to the year when the offence was reported; the actual offence may have been committed long before. Swedish rape statistics can thus contain significant time-lag, which makes interpretations of annual changes difficult.[11][29]
Legal factors[edit]
The way the crime itself is defined and various related aspects of the judicial process affect the registration of offences in the official statistics.[11][28] The concept of rape can be defined narrowly or in a more expansive manner. In Sweden, the definition of rape has been successively widened over the years, leading to an ever larger number of sexual assaults being classified as rape.[3][12][13][31] For example, in 1992 a legislative change came into force which shifted the dividing line between sexual assault and rape. This legislative change resulted in about a 25% increase in the level of registered rape offences.[11]
Changes in the legal process has also affected the number of reports. Until 1984, rape was only prosecuted in cases where the victim was prepared to press charges, with an additional restriction of a six months time limit. This resulted in numerous cases of rape and sexual assault going unreported.[11]
The Swedish prosecution system is governed by the principle of legality and the "equality principle", which means that as a rule, the police and the prosecution service are required to register and prosecute all offences of which they become aware. This can be assumed to lead to a more frequent registration of offences than in systems with the inverse "expediency principle", where the classification of offences is negotiable on the basis of plea bargaining, and the prosecutor has the right not to prosecute, even when a prosecution would be technically possible.[11][29] English speaking common law countries operate an adversarial system.[32]
Substantive factors[edit]
Willingness to report crime also affects the statistics.[28] In countries where rape remains associated with a strong taboo and a high level of shame, the propensity to report such offences probably tends to be lower than in countries characterized by a higher level of sexual equality. A police force and judicial system enjoining a high level of confidence and a good reputation with the public will produce a higher propensity to report crime than a police force which is discredited, inspires fear or distrust.[11]
The findings of the 2000 International Crime Victims Survey (ICVS) indicate that the respondents' satisfaction with the police is above average in Sweden, with almost no experience of corruption.[33] Sweden has also been ranked number one in sexual equality.[19]
Immigrants[edit]
The anti-immigration Sweden Democrats Party has repeatedly said that the high number of rape reports is at least partly due to the influx of Muslim immigrants.[34][35] Two reports from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÃ...) are relevant to the rate of rape among immigrants to Sweden and their descendants. The latest published report that indicates the association between immigrants and rape was published in 2005 and revealed that from 1997 to 2001 foreign born individuals were 5.5 times more likely to be charged of rape than individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents and that foreign born individuals from all regions, apart from East Asia, committed sexual assaults at rates up to 5.3 times greater than that of individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents.[36]
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on February 08, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
This is where we disagree on the usefulness on the application of statistics to crime, Shoe. Even though the majority of reported crimes may be committed by the majority demographic; The minority demographic is committing the same crimes at a higher individual rate.
This doesn't mean that the crimes committed by the majority demographic aren't a problem. It does mean that an individual from the minority is statistically more likely to commit the crime though. While you may not find that significant I do. I do because it would be more effective way to reduce crime by concentrating on changing the behaviors of the minority groups that lead to higher crime rates. That doesn't mean efforts shouldn't be made in changing the behaviors of the majority demographic, but in most cases any efforts in that direction will apply across the entire population. Special attention is required to make changes within the minority demographic in order to bring their crime rates back down to the norm for the population as a whole.
You do not find 'a more likley' significant, you are pointing out a rape epidemic that results in 1 in every 4 women to be raped. You wrote a % 553 (?) increase in rape crime report made years ago, based on the factor of 50 000 men taken recently with refugee crisis.
Your factor is a group of people being muslim men. This is the same thing to say ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS.
You cannot just use rape statistic according to how you see the world. Make up you rmind.
"It is more likely than not, that they are generally aware"
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 08, 2016, 05:22:02 AM
I see. So you thought before all this that RAPE DIDN'T EXIST in Europe?
Gotta love when the first sentence is such a cheap strawman i lose all interest in reading any further.
QuoteI see. So you thought before all this that RAPE DIDN'T EXIST in Europe? You thought that police did report sexual crimes before in Europe? Police covers up information on sexual cases ALL THE TIME. You know what your posts explain? The ordinary usual bullshit that you are fucking clueless about how rape crime is handled ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you aware of what happened on New Year's?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
As far as I can tell, this is why the issue has gained so much international attention. Not just the acts themselves, but the dishonest way it was handled.
The chief of police in Cologne has since been fired for his misconduct.
QuoteYou know sometimes I really wish that I hadn't had my old posts deleted. I wrote pages and pages in the last 4 years about RAPE CRIME IN WESTERN CULTURE -European and American alike- with specific solved cases and how they were handled, about victim and perpetrators. Nobody fucking read a line, because a crazy feminist was writing them.
You know what was and still is the main attitude/reaction here in this forum in rape threads? FALSE ALLEGATIONS and COCK TEASING. Yeah. And how that stupid women/girls got raped and that they are the ones who should be taught about the RISKS THEY SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN GOING OUT WITH MEN. You were talking about 'being prone to rape'? Same people scream their heads off to feminists, because they supposedly say that 'all men are rapists'
If this is something you know a lot about then I presume you are aware that raping your wife is not against in law in a number of Muslim majority countries? (also, perhaps you would be better suited railing against this kind of thing instead?)
Obviously rape is going to happen with or without men from this background, but their opinion about women is significantly (if not shockingly) different, depending on their country of origin.
QuoteNow, when it is about muslim mniorities SUDDENLY everyone is so 'sensitive' about rape, but we do not even have one fucking special case that shows there is a special, extra situation that is going on. SUDDENLY, all men in another group arerapists and SUDDENLY it makes great sense that women and girls shouldn't be told what to do.
Why? Because suddenly a media that is directed by just a few company floods every fucking 'news' sources with sexual assault cases by refugees which has now has been turned in to 'MIGRANTS'.
Just several years ago, nearly 40 % women in UK said that women do not 'deserve' being raped rape because of what they are wearing, but they do if they are drunk AND more than 30 % of males said they 'deserve' being raped if they wear revealing, provoking clothes, but not so much when they are drunk. In the thread this survey was posted in 2012, a big argument broke out on that this can't be happening in the fucking UK. Yeah.
Again, there is nothing sudden about this, it has been a burgeoning problem which has understandably garnered a lot of extra attention over the last few weeks.
In a culture that does not have a concept of consent rape does not exist.
Also the act of rape is not just about sexual gratification, it can and often does represent domination over the victim.
In some cultures males are raped just like the females.
Child rapes are also common.
Add to that the sexual frustration of males induced by strict gender apartheid.
Quote from: stromboli on February 02, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdSsJQ-fvOU
The irony is if you had posted a video showing how bad Christians are in some of their behavior, most members of AF would be on board with that. Show anything wrong about Muslims even if it is an oblique criticism, and the Islamic apologists on this forum come out with their fangs and claws. Now, they'll come out after me, but I've got them all on my "ignore" list. So fuck them.
Most AF members wouldn't even click the video link.
It is certainly a curious thing, watching how people deal with real problems. Not knowing what to do on a weekend with your family, if you are comfortably affluent and the weather is nice ... is such a separator of sheep from goats ;-) Personally, I wish people didn't have real problems, and only had the second un-problem.
Being less ideological, more skeptical ... isn't apologetics. If we had a Muslim posting from ISIS etc, and he/she was telling us how all this evil was justifiable ... then we would be on Fox News.
New video interview regarding U.K. issues. Some of this may be familiar as it touches on many years of this ongoing issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjsaHF2HtFU
Millions of girls traficked? She is kidding right?
The amount of sexual slaves in the world is measured by TENS of millions. Only the amount of far eastern women traficked to Europe by European lines for sexual slavery over a decade would multiply that. There are 30 million slaves in the world just as kept as a menial work force. Only the sex trade between West and far east alone is monstrous numbers, but it is a fucking problem in terms of between white girls radical Islam?
Has anyone have an idea what is going on in America alone regarding female child traficking? Do you have an idea of female traficking just at the time of every World Cup? Look it up.
:arrow: It's the most profitable, oldest business on earth. It doesn't need to have a religious motivation or a culture. When you sell drugs and weapons you need to provide the material every time and it substracts from your stock every time you sell it. On the other hand, you can sell a 13 year old girl 20 times a night.
There is nothing HIDDEN about this. It has just become the convenient issue to occupy the Western soecities. And when the needed enemy changes it will be something else.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 05, 2016, 11:40:59 AM
Millions of girls traficked? She is kidding right?
Theres been over a million ... targeted. Thats the quote.
During the video she says this is been since she was 14 and victimized. Somewhere in the video she gives an exact number of years, I believe its 30+ but it is over 20 years.
Quote from: chill98 on March 05, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Theres been over a million ... targeted. Thats the quote.
During the video she says this is been since she was 14 and victimized. Somewhere in the video she gives an exact number of years, I believe its 30+ but it is over 20 years.
I heard it. I found the number very low and victims racially discriminated against to be honest. And the claim that this is something 'hidden' is a blatant lie.
It wasn't just a politically beneficial and profitable crime before. NOW it is.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 05, 2016, 12:05:51 PM
I heard it. I found the number very low and victims racially discriminated against to be honest. And the claim that this is something 'hidden' is a blatant lie.
It wasn't just a politcially beneficial and profitable crime before. NOW it is.
She is talking about the UK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/#36d389ad5a7c
HOWEVER, you did make me do some searching and it is kinda interesting.
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Interesting? There is nothing interesting about it. And UK is not out of the picture I am talking about. It's disgusting that it's become a promotion and manipulation in the media as if this is a new thing or happening to white people only. It's abhorrent.
Meanwhile, nobody can do a thing about rape and torture allegations against British or American soldiers in Afghanistan and Irak invasions, Kenya, Columbia and other places AND all the cases are DISMMISSED with 'no evidence' to prove. In two cases Bristisgh soldiers filmed two children and Americans 60 something in Columbia. But they are unthouchable. Also noone stops and thinks what kind of a risk for a woman from these places to make a complain about rape out loud, let alone press charges at all.
Nobody gives a fucking damn about any rape victims, be it in Europe or anywhere else. When this 'refugee crisis' has run its course, it will be put aside and forgotten, the young girls and women will continue to get raped and traficked as sex slaves. Like it has been for a long time before 9/11 or 'the oh so bad refugee crisis'.
However, Americans will have a different type of 'refugee crisis', if that waste of carbon wins and that won't be something to manipulate easily by exported rape culture stories.
It is my understanding, that sex trafficking in E European women and girls went way up when the Iron Curtain fell. It is hardly new in Europe since 1989. ME women/girls are just fresh meat to the "johns" of Europe. Then they don't have to go all the way to Thailand and settle for a katoui ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2016, 01:44:29 PM
It is my understanding, that sex trafficking in E European women and girls went way up when the Iron Curtain fell. It is hardly new in Europe since 1989. ME women/girls are just fresh meat to the "johns" of Europe. Then they don't have to go all the way to Thailand and settle for a katoui ;-(
In a nutshell, yes. But there is a reason why police prefers to work in silence about these issues and why they do not report. I am too exhausted to write a long post, I have said many times. I remember very clearly reading an outrage of an expert on a media source trying to make this a big topical issue because it kills the chances of collapsing these chains, how it makes difficult to catch these piece of shits 15 years ago.
This is not soem random crime of a few religiously motivated angry perverts. These are very highly profitable global chains. They are very organised and resourceful. It's horrifying even to read about it.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 05, 2016, 01:24:51 PM
Meanwhile, nobody can do a thing about rape and torture allegations against British or American soldiers in Afghanistan and Irak invasions, Kenya, Columbia and other places AND all the cases are DISMMISSED with 'no evidence' to prove. In two cases Bristisgh soldiers filmed two children and Americans 60 something in Columbia. But they are unthouchable. Also noone stops and thinks what kind of a risk for a woman from these places to make a complain about rape out loud, let alone press charges at all.
Nobody gives a fucking damn about any rape victims, be it in Europe or anywhere else. When this 'refugee crisis' has run its course, it will be put aside and forgotten, the young girls and women will continue to get raped and traficked as sex slaves. Like it has been for a long time before 9/11 or 'the oh so bad refugee crisis'.
Well... if you want to discuss soldiers start a thread.
Have you considered anti-depressants? I am new here and already considering putting you on ignore. I like to discuss things, not be bitched at about things I never brought into the conversation.
Quote from: chill98 on March 05, 2016, 02:02:55 PM
Well... if you want to discuss soldiers start a thread.
Have you considered anti-depressants? I am new here and already considering putting you on ignore. I like to discuss things, not be bitched at about things I never brought into the conversation.
I have done it many times, nobody cares about it when the perpetrators of the crimes are westerners, any piece that really criticises or points out the western hypocrisy on many issues are blatantly dismissed. Everyone ignores it and thread falls down empty.
The topics you find fresh and 'interesting' are what we have been talking about here for years and I don't have much tolerance for mainstream bullshit like yours. I have seen it countless times. Get it?
Why don't you just put me on ignore instead of whining about it?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 05, 2016, 02:11:33 PM
I have done it many times, nobody cares about it when the perpetrators of the crimes are westerners, any piece that really criticises or points out the western hypocrisy on many issues are blatantly dismissed. Everyone ignores it and thread falls down empty.
The topics you find fresh and 'interesting' are what we have been talking about here for years and I don't have much tolerance for mainstream bullshit like yours. I have seen it countless times. Get it?
Why don't you just put me on ignore instead of whining about it?
Well if EVERYONE ignores it, then maybe its you and not everyone else.
Chill98 ... Shoe's first language is Turkish, not English. Also she is an acquired taste, only for the most discriminating ;-) To each their own.
The hysteria industry in Europe etc ... is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Sex trafficking is universal and global ... it didn't start with ISIS, or muslim immigrants earlier to GB. I also don't think that anyone here would be happier if everyone involved, including the pimps, were all blue eyed and blonde. Most people most of the time are in denial that crime happens in their community, or that their own folks are perps ... it is always in another community, with someone else's folks. But this is only human to deny deny deny.
Quote from: chill98 on March 05, 2016, 02:13:01 PM
Well if EVERYONE ignores it, then maybe its you and not everyone else.
Not everyone. But yeah, I have thorns. I don't provide lube for the collective masturbation. Sorry, highly allergic to bullshit. Why do you think people don't like me here? Me or someone else, people here don't like seeing threads showing the mess of their own culture which they see as the superior one. Esp. when a turkish woman writes about it bluntly and it conveniently gets 'translated' into 'Shoe says it bad and she is offensive'. As if there is another way to break the stomach churning political correctness of the general hypocrisy. People like to pretend those things happen far and away. The most abhorrent pattern of events like hundreds of mass shootings in one year can be turned into a mental illness problems of individuals here in this forum in half a page. What 'discussion' you are talking about?
I value anyone who comes from outside my Matrix. Otherwise I can't see my own. Of course they have their own Matrix, but that isn't my problem. We are very much like fish in a fish bowl ... but the water keeps getting crappier and crappier ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2016, 02:13:26 PM
Chill98 ... Shoe's first language is Turkish, not English. Also she is an acquired taste, only for the most discriminating ;-) To each their own.
I dont care if she is ESL shes a rude attention seeking jerk who can't focus on a topic. Learned enough english to master that.
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2016, 02:13:26 PM
The hysteria industry in Europe etc ... is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Sex trafficking is universal and global ... it didn't start with ISIS, or muslim immigrants earlier to GB. I also don't think that anyone here would be happier if everyone involved, including the pimps, were all blue eyed and blonde. Most people most of the time are in denial that crime happens in their community, or that their own folks are perps ... it is always in another community, with someone else's folks. But this is only human to deny deny deny.
The HYSTERIA is fear of being called a 'racist'. The cops would have rushed in and busted up an irish/german/french/danish/spanish/bulgarian/russian etc rape syndicate without batting an eye.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612
At LEAST 1400 different people in this one city. And you try to handwave this because you think the UK is going to break out in Race Riots over ARRESTING individuals for prostituting/raping kids?
QuoteIn a strongly worded statement, the home secretary told MPs that "institutionalised political correctness" had contributed to the authorities turning a blind eye to the abuse of at least 1,400 in Rotherham between 1997 to 2013.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/02/theresa-may-political-correctness-rotherham-abuse
...Well it happened in East Europe after the economic collapse? Deflecting to lookie at all the money they are saving by not having to travel to Thailand? Oh goodie they are spending the bucks at home instead of taking the dollars to Thailand...
Thats your Retort??!!
Geezus Krist Just How Long You Gonna Stand around singing Kumbaya?
Are the police actively trying to bust up the Russian Mafia? Yes. Do the UK police arrest White People for Trafficing Minors? Yes. Do the politicians run on crime fighting measures in every district in the UK? Yes. So why not bust the Paki's for crimes committed against minors?
Oh I know why. Someone might call them a racist. Probably one of the pimps and his family. And a local iman/mullah whatever... yeah, you would see a race riot then. Much better that these underage girls pay the price so the UK feels better about race/religion relations.
Quote from: chill98 on March 05, 2016, 03:26:03 PM
I dont care if she is ESL shes a rude attention seeking jerk who can't focus on a topic. Learned enough english to master that.
Yeah you figured me out in a few weeks... I've been seeking attention for years in this forum like this. It works wonders. /s
If the responsible authority cannot enforce the required action when a serious crime commited against minors in fear of being called 'racist' then it is useless, please just abolish it. There is something seriously wrong with the adminstration of that society.
The most ridiculous excuse I have ever heard. "We can't hunt rapists, they are calling us racists :(" Aww.
I expect every European police force is working against human trafficking ... I wouldn't expect anything different. It is the idea that only Muslim human trafficking is important ... that I find curious. I have no opinion about how effective the authorities there are ... and I won't comment on the conspiracy theory that the sex corruption goes to the highest levels of European society.
I am not PC in regards to human trafficking ... and feel offended that anyone would think that I would be.
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2016, 06:03:12 PM
I expect every European police force is working against human trafficking ... I wouldn't expect anything different.
Well then you would expect wrong as has been demonstrated multiple times.
Quote from: BaruchIt is the idea that only Muslim human trafficking is important ... that I find curious.
LOL, another deflection. The point being raised is Why is Muslim Human Trafficking Off Limits?
Quote from: BaruchI am not PC in regards to human trafficking ... and feel offended that anyone would think that I would be.
Well, you may not think your PC in regards to human trafficking but it seems you have a real issue with associating it with muslims, regardless of the information available.
The No True Scotsman = No True Muslim fallacy.
Reading problems?
"The point being raised is Why is Muslim Human Trafficking Off Limits?" ... what conspiracy theory makes you think that the European authorities are doing this? Maybe all human trafficking in Europe is off limits ... because your governments are corrupt. But I don't see why anyone would think that bribes are given only by one ethnic group. In the US all illegal immigration is partly off limits, because employers love the cheap labor. Is that why Europe tolerates all these young men from Iraq/Syria? That and Europe's self-depopulation. Per capitalism that is a ... ka-ching. As far as sex trade goes, I don't see Europeans being any less supportive, as johns, than Americans are. Personally I don't traffic in illegal workers or support the sex trade .. I presume you don't either.
chill98
QuoteThe point being raised is Why is Muslim Human Trafficking Off Limits?
Because it has been accepted as normal not unlike assassination and torture in America. I didn't bother me so much that it was happening because we knew it was, it bothered me that they were openly debating it's virtues. Thus we see anything no matter how vile may become normality within a population. Once something is accepted as normal or just the way it is then most everyone gives up trying to change it.
Personally I find what everyone calls normal very strange.
Chill98 wrote:QuoteOh I know why. Someone might call them a racist. Probably one of the pimps and his family. And a local iman/mullah whatever... yeah, you would see a race riot then. Much better that these underage girls pay the price so the UK feels better about race/religion relations.
Now you got it! Well done.
But that is not the UK as a whole. I must protest.
Just the politicians, police and local authorities. Oh, and the media.
Their jobs and pensions come first. Sacrifices had to be made.
Quote from: pr126 on March 07, 2016, 10:15:39 AM
Chill98 wrote:Now you got it! Well done.
But that is not the UK as a whole. I must protest.
Just the politicians, police and local authorities. Oh, and the media.
Their jobs and pensions come first. Sacrifices had to be made.
But that is your real problem ... you hate your ass-hat authorities. We feel the same way here in the USA ;-)
Quote from: Fickle on March 07, 2016, 08:40:53 AM
chill98
Because it has been accepted as normal not unlike assassination and torture in America. I didn't bother me so much that it was happening because we knew it was, it bothered me that they were openly debating it's virtues. Thus we see anything no matter how vile may become normality within a population. Once something is accepted as normal or just the way it is then most everyone gives up trying to change it.
Personally I find what everyone calls normal very strange.
There are 20,000 girls in the US in teen sex trafficking. That is the primary (but not only) chattel slavery we have in the US. So are the all powerful authorities turning a blind eye ... because the whole government are pimps? There is a lot of normality going on under your ill informed nose, whatever country you live in. There are lots of vile things in every country ... and I don't like them either.
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2016, 06:47:46 AM
Reading problems?
"The point being raised is Why is Muslim Human Trafficking Off Limits?" ... what conspiracy theory makes you think that the European authorities are doing this?
I believe it is you with the reading problem.
Quote from: linked article previously posted
A story of rampant child abuseâ€"ignored and abetted by the policeâ€"is emerging out of the British town of Rotherham. Until now, its scale and scope would have been inconceivable in a civilized country. Its origins, however, lie in something quite ordinary: what one Labour MP called “not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat.
I understand this is probably coming as a complete shock to you, as my quote above agrees, it is inconceivable in a civilized country. But none-the-less, in the attempt to avoid being labeled 'racist', the police allowed the victimization of youth to continue for almost 20 years.
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2016, 12:56:30 PM
But that is your real problem ... you hate your ass-hat authorities. We feel the same way here in the USA ;-)
Reading Problems??
Would have been nice if you would have attributed the quote to the proper person.
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2016, 12:59:04 PM
There are 20,000 girls in the US in teen sex trafficking. That is the primary (but not only) chattel slavery we have in the US. So are the all powerful authorities turning a blind eye ... because the whole government are pimps? There is a lot of normality going on under your ill informed nose, whatever country you live in. There are lots of vile things in every country ... and I don't like them either.
More Reading Problems??
Again, you assigned the quote to the wrong person!
Quote from: chill98 on March 07, 2016, 05:46:20 PM
Reading Problems??
Would have been nice if you would have attributed the quote to the proper person.
That was for pr126. I used the plain "quote" function in both cases, perhaps you should suggest an improved function.
Quote from: chill98 on March 07, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
I believe it is you with the reading problem.
I understand this is probably coming as a complete shock to you, as my quote above agrees, it is inconceivable in a civilized country. But none-the-less, in the attempt to avoid being labeled 'racist', the police allowed the victimization of youth to continue for almost 20 years.
Our police in the US have been failures at time also. But you see it as a vast XYZ conspiracy? That girl in Austria who was kept underground as a slave for years or those three girls who were kept in the attic of a house in the US for years ... were those conspiracies by the police/authorities to turn the other way?
Quote from: chill98 on March 07, 2016, 05:47:36 PM
More Reading Problems??
Again, you assigned the quote to the wrong person!
I was commenting on Fickle (who was commenting on you).
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2016, 06:20:36 PM
That was for pr126. I used the plain "quote" function in both cases, perhaps you should suggest an improved function.
You have almost 5K posts. I do not believe you are inexperienced with the quote feature.
So was it with intent to mislead by attributing a quote to me that I did not make?
Perhaps it is you who should suggest a user-proof function being as I haven't been having that issue, noting the first time I used the quote function that the potential to misquote exists.
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2016, 06:23:15 PM
Our police in the US have been failures at time also. But you see it as a vast XYZ conspiracy? That girl in Austria who was kept underground as a slave for years or those three girls who were kept in the attic of a house in the US for years ... were those conspiracies by the police/authorities to turn the other way?
Ah, Red Herring:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
If you are fixated on one particular criminal case in UK ... maybe there is a website for that ;-)
Otherwise you have convinced me ... negatively ... concerning yourself.
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2016, 11:10:27 PM
If you are fixated on one particular criminal case in UK ... maybe there is a website for that ;-)
Otherwise you have convinced me ... negatively ... concerning yourself.
Fixated? I posted a current video
Published on Mar 4, 2016
and was willing to discuss it. Dont Provoke The Migrants. Appropriate thread.
Your participation included anything but the topic.
As far as your opinion on me, I don't care. Any theist who attempts to label himself as freethinking has already raised my skeptical eyebrows. But its the www, you can be anything you want to be I guess.
"Freethinking theist" is an oxymoron.
Like Islam means peace.
Quote from: pr126 on March 10, 2016, 04:01:43 AM
"Freethinking theist" is an oxymoron.
Like Islam means peace.
If you say so. Does free-slave make sense? But that is what people in a police state are ... and GB has been a police state since King Henry VII. But that is just rhetoric ... everyone has free will, no matter their religion or ideology. So is anyone a slave? Nuremberg Trials says "I was only following orders" is invalid. Islam would be anti-Nuremberg ... as long as the orders you are following are Islamic. Hence the term Islamo-fascism. But that is "begging the question" since every society has laws, modern societies have police (to protect the upper class), so all modern societies are fascist.
Of course Islam means obedience/surrender to authority. And that is a peace of sorts, like that of the Nazis or Stalinists. You can't surrender to a god that doesn't exist, but you can to the authoritarians who claim to represent that god. Like in medieval Judaism, essentially this puts you under the thumb of a canon lawyer ... hence the importance in Islam of sharia, and what school of law is being followed. So dictatorship by lawyers, who are not allowed to legislate (you can't improve god-given perfection). Pretty bizarre ... considering it was thought up 1400 years ago by Muhammad's successors, if not by Muhammad himself. Of course their competition, but Byzantines and Sassanids were no better ... both of those were models of regal tyranny ... just as Saudi Arabia is today.
So as a person just like you, who opposes tyranny ... what are we to do? Hide in a cabin in the forest, writing manifestos?
Baruch
QuoteOf course Islam means obedience/surrender to authority. And that is a peace of sorts, like that of the Nazis or Stalinists. You can't surrender to a god that doesn't exist, but you can to the authoritarians who claim to represent that god.
Under a different flag we could also call it patriotism and a good book on this subject is "The crowd: a study of the popular mind" by Gustav Le Bonn. It is very easy for weak minds with little purpose to get caught up in the snare of popular beliefs. Fundamentally it always relates to those age old questions, why am I here, what am I supposed to be doing, what is my purpose?. When this void of fear and self-doubt cannot be filled people tend to mimic those around them in search of an identity they may adhere to. A mosaic of other personalities, intertwined, layered on their own.
Personally I have met very few people with either the balls or the brains to define themselves outside the context of others. It is beyond the scope of their comprehension and they cling to others like a babe to it's blanket. It is a poor state of affairs and the key word here is fear and deep down in that place they don't like to talk about they are afraid.
Freethinking in this day and age is pixie dust and fairy tales, smoke and mirrors, wisps in the wind.
I like your posts Baruch, your one of the few I have found that get it, if there is such a thing as it.
Well this isn't a popularity contest. I post as self-therapy, but if others benefit then that is a bonus. I stretch myself by deliberately re-examining my own situation, feelings and thoughts. But this exploration isn't necessarily more than experimental. I can return to an original position, with greater clarity.
Humans are social animals ... the stress between conforming and independence is a dialectic that stretches and contracts. It took me 50 years to color outside the lines. But coloring outside the lines is still coloring.
What has helped me more recently is being mentally free, deliberately. That is what I mean by freethinking. Though like most I originally got to this point thru cognitive dissonance and the struggles of life.
The similarity is uncanny and like you my posts are more for my benefit than anyone else. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, more so to express my own thoughts and observations.
I found my conception of mentally free was at first simply the alter ego of those around me. That is opposition or a rejection of the norm which was in itself normal. However then it became something entirely different, neither here nor there nor in between. There lies the crux of this matter and when there is no compliance, nor non-compliance and it is something very different then what is it?. The trick here is taking one self outside the context of the argument to realize the argument in itself is the problem not the sides one has chosen.
It is a strange place to have traveled so far so fast only to look back and see no one has followed. Out standing in my field, alone, but I now see I am not alone.
Quote from: Fickle on March 11, 2016, 04:58:02 PM
The similarity is uncanny and like you my posts are more for my benefit than anyone else. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, more so to express my own thoughts and observations.
I found my conception of mentally free was at first simply the alter ego of those around me. That is opposition or a rejection of the norm which was in itself normal. However then it became something entirely different, neither here nor there nor in between. There lies the crux of this matter and when there is no compliance, nor non-compliance and it is something very different then what is it?. The trick here is taking one self outside the context of the argument to realize the argument in itself is the problem not the sides one has chosen.
It is a strange place to have traveled so far so fast only to look back and see no one has followed. Out standing in my field, alone, but I now see I am not alone.
You are ready to leave the Shaolin Temple, Grasshopper ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY6HgFyoupw
The only way to escape the West, is by going East, and the only way to escape the East, is by going West ... either way, you always end up where you started. Similarly the only way to be American, is to become un-American ... only then is it possible to choose to be American, with any clarity. Of course you are not alone ... you are me, and I am you ... and we are both butterflies ;-)