I pretty much disagree with this woman on almost everything but am I the only one that finds it petty to be attacking her on this issue?
For the record I drink like 8 coke Zero's a day. I even wrote a song about it.
If I hit a convenience store I go for the big gulps.
fuck Bloomberg. on this one issue I pretty much have to side with Palin.
the new york coke ban is just fucking stupid and wrong.
what do you think?
Banning large drinks is silly and counter-productive. Educating people will probably go over much better. But that would require teaching them that "bigger is not always better", so good luck with that. It seems like the foundation of the nation for some reason.
There's also just free choice. I know I shouldn't be drinking 8 cans of Coke Zero a day. Thus I'm educated to that fact.
I don't care. I like it. and the government can pry my can of Coke Zero from my cold dead hands. LOL
Quote from: "Plu"Banning large drinks is silly and counter-productive. Educating people will probably go over much better. But that would require teaching them that "bigger is not always better", so good luck with that. It seems like the foundation of the nation for some reason.
I agree with this, especially considering the NYC ban isn't applied consistently to businesses. Someone who wants a ton of soda can still just buy a 2 liter, and drinking a ton of soda is only one factor in the obesity problem. It
is a problem, though. I don't eat fast food much, but the sizes of drinks there are insane and when ordering a value meal, I always have to think about specifying a small or regular as opposed to a large because the larges are these buckets of soda these days. They've completely shifted what each size means. And unless you're going to a drive through, most restaurants have unlimited refills anyway.
You are going to die an early death, says the man on the health kick. :-D
QuoteI don't care. I like it. and the government can pry my can of Coke Zero from my cold dead hands. LOL
To be honest I think it should be like that, but the problem is that hospitals get crammed full of people who are there because of their own fault, and their treatment then gets in the way of people who need to be there because of something that isn't their fault.
And that doesn't sit right with me.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteI don't care. I like it. and the government can pry my can of Coke Zero from my cold dead hands. LOL
To be honest I think it should be like that, but the problem is that hospitals get crammed full of people who are there because of their own fault, and their treatment then gets in the way of people who need to be there because of something that isn't their fault.
And that doesn't sit right with me.
I'd be okay with a Sin Tax on unhealthy choices to help offset any costs that come with those choices, plus it'd help discourage and reduce bad choices while not prohibiting them.
kind of like how we tax alcohol, cigarettes and now here in Colorado, marijuana.
Sarah Palin is appealing to phony populist ideas of attacking dumb ideas. It doesn't make her one iota smarter.
You don't get smart when someone else is dumb.
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I don't care. I like it. and the government can pry my can of Coke Zero from my cold dead hands. LOL
It's fine if my government inserts itself in our lives and invades our privacy, wire taps our phones, tells us who we can and can't marry, regulates what women can do to their bodies, and gives our tax dollars to bankers and private insurance executives, but don't take away the caffeinated sugar drinks that rot my children's teeth!
You know Sara Palin had to say that. New York is a liberal place, so whatever they do there, she has to criticize it. She probably thinks New York is some kind of empty shit hole that has raped most of it's natural resources long ago, and therefore, has little left to offer the rest of the country. After all, she's from Wasilla, Alaska, so she has a lot of knowledge about things, especially Russia.
New Yorkers can sort out this travesty without Sara Palin's advice. Those who oppose the ban would probably appreciate the help from someone who isn't an idiot, though. Palin is a political freak, who was recruited as a long shot to appeal to the lowest common denominator by a desperate campaign that was headed for failure before it even started. Hell, her running mate was such a dud that she actually outshined him, and briefly turned the race into Obama vs Palin. But she's an air headed embarrassment to intelligent people everywhere. So once in a while she thoughtlessly sputters out something that might have some value. A broken clock can give the right time twice a day.
QuoteI'd be okay with a Sin Tax on unhealthy choices to help offset any costs that come with those choices, plus it'd help discourage and reduce bad choices while not prohibiting them.
kind of like how we tax alcohol, cigarettes and now here in Colorado, marijuana.
This is probably the best way to go at it, yes.
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I don't care. I like it. and the government can pry my can of Coke Zero from my cold dead hands. LOL
It's fine if my government inserts itself in our lives and invades our privacy, wire taps our phones, tells us who we can and can't marry, regulates what women can do to their bodies, and gives our tax dollars to bankers and private insurance executives, but don't take away the caffeinated sugar drinks that rot my children's teeth!
:lol: yeah she and all the republicans are hypocrites.
its like how they want to ban cuss words on TV, but not hate speech.
As long as Abby on NCIS drinks huge Caff-Pows I've got zero criticism. Do I drink large soda drinks? Not any more. But it's not for me to say that others should not do so.
I just (personally) don't think the gov should get involved with people and their sugar consumption. That's a bit too invasive. If the gov wants to get all high and mighty about health --- they should REALLY start with Wheat and carrageenan; not to mention that regular green veggies are * specialty items* for the FDA? (WTF?). It's more profitable to fill us all with corn starch and garbage-processed-whatnot than just decent food.
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-carrageenan.htm (http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-carrageenan.htm)
So yeah...........when the gov decides to look at the REAL health dangers - then they can get on their high horse about sugar.
(rant over)
I put lots of sugar in little Jimmy's lunch. It turns him into this little dynamo of adorable energy. He runs around doing these cute little things, and I never know what to expect. I'm sure Mrs. Peterson loves him in her third grade class.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Sarah Palin is appealing to phony populist ideas of attacking dumb ideas. It doesn't make her one iota smarter.
You don't get smart when someone else is dumb.
Sarah Palin. The name synonymous with herp derp.
There's a reason this was tossed out, and that's because it's stupid.
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I pretty much disagree with this woman on almost everything but am I the only one that finds it petty to be attacking her on this issue?
For the record I drink like 8 coke Zero's a day. I even wrote a song about it.
If I hit a convenience store I go for the big gulps.
fuck Bloomberg. on this one issue I pretty much have to side with Palin.
the new york coke ban is just fucking stupid and wrong.
what do you think?
If Sarah Palin did it or endorsed it, you can bet she is wrong. Bloomberg is right and was right to help the poor people in the city by banning large suger drinks. It's much more than an issue of socalled freedom. It is a health issue. You go to any poor part of any major city and what is avalible is nothing but fat filled suger foods. That and advertizing these dangerous foods. Bloomberg was pushing back against the food industry that brainwashes the populace to buying their addictive unhealthy foods and drinks. Bloomberg is fighting against the pushers of these bad foods. So Sarah is wrong and her idea of freedom is nothing more than allowing big business to dictate to the masses and control us all in the name of profits.
Plus Sarah's little smug smarming attitude is just so childish it isn't even funny.
Quote from: "SGOS"I put lots of sugar in little Jimmy's lunch. It turns him into this little dynamo of adorable energy. He runs around doing these cute little things, and I never know what to expect. I'm sure Mrs. Peterson loves him in her third grade class.
they say meth makes them all the more fun! try it just once! :P
(note to feds, I'm kidding, please don't send me to gitmo or drone my ass)
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I pretty much disagree with this woman on almost everything but am I the only one that finds it petty to be attacking her on this issue?
For the record I drink like 8 coke Zero's a day. I even wrote a song about it.
If I hit a convenience store I go for the big gulps.
fuck Bloomberg. on this one issue I pretty much have to side with Palin.
the new york coke ban is just fucking stupid and wrong.
what do you think?
If Sarah Palin did it or endorsed it, you can bet she is wrong.
so when she advocates for helping kids with mental problems, she wrong because she's Palin? thats just as stupid as people that just automatically dismiss something because Obama is for it. its this kind of attitude that makes me weep for humanity.
QuoteBloomberg is right and was right to help the poor people in the city by banning large suger drinks. It's much more than an issue of socalled freedom. It is a health issue. You go to any poor part of any major city and what is avalible is nothing but fat filled suger foods.
so should we ban weed, cigarettes, beer, and candy too?
QuoteThat and advertizing these dangerous foods. Bloomberg was pushing back against the food industry that brainwashes the populace to buying their addictive unhealthy foods and drinks. Bloomberg is fighting against the pushers of these bad foods. So Sarah is wrong and her idea of freedom is nothing more than allowing big business to dictate to the masses and control us all in the name of profits.
nobody is forcing people to eat and drink unhealthy shit. when Coca-cola starts hog tying people and forcing Dr. Pepper down their throats, get back to me.
QuotePlus Sarah's little smug smarming attitude is just so childish it isn't even funny.
agreed.
anyway as I've said, I think the solution is subsidize health foods and have them very low cost, and easily available, then put taxes on unhealthy foods to offset costs of the health care issues they cause, like we do with smoking. done.
past that the government has no business forcing people to eat healthy. what's next? exercise police to come make you jog?
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteI don't care. I like it. and the government can pry my can of Coke Zero from my cold dead hands. LOL
To be honest I think it should be like that, but the problem is that hospitals get crammed full of people who are there because of their own fault, and their treatment then gets in the way of people who need to be there because of something that isn't their fault.
And that doesn't sit right with me.
Yeah that is a problem. If only there were some bloated federal budget from which money could be taken to supplement health care costs.
In other news congress approves another increase to the defense budget, making it the largest budget on the planet and in history.
Quote from: "mykcob4"If Sarah Palin did it or endorsed it, you can bet she is wrong. Bloomberg is right and was right to help the poor people in the city by banning large suger drinks. It's much more than an issue of socalled freedom. It is a health issue. You go to any poor part of any major city and what is avalible is nothing but fat filled suger foods. That and advertizing these dangerous foods. Bloomberg was pushing back against the food industry that brainwashes the populace to buying their addictive unhealthy foods and drinks. Bloomberg is fighting against the pushers of these bad foods. So Sarah is wrong and her idea of freedom is nothing more than allowing big business to dictate to the masses and control us all in the name of profits.
Plus Sarah's little smug smarming attitude is just so childish it isn't even funny.
Despite the fact that I too detest Palin, I agree that it is not the role of government to micromanage soda-sizes.
Also, do you have any evidence for your claims of "addictive" foods and drinks being pushed by businesses? And do you have any evidence that only buig business sells supersize sodas?
I think your point is poorly thought-out, myself. I don't need a nanny-state government saving me from myself, thanks. I'm a grown-up and will decide for myself what to eat and drink.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteI don't care. I like it. and the government can pry my can of Coke Zero from my cold dead hands. LOL
To be honest I think it should be like that, but the problem is that hospitals get crammed full of people who are there because of their own fault, and their treatment then gets in the way of people who need to be there because of something that isn't their fault.
And that doesn't sit right with me.
Two things. 1. My parents spent a ton of time in hospitals for a variety of ailments before they each died. I never once saw where other patients being there were cause for either of them not getting the care they required. 2. If we were to assume your claim has merit, then large sodas are WAY down on the last of things that should be illegal in order to fix the problem. Alcohol? Cigarettes? Firearms? Nope, we'll just take out large sized soft drinks and everything will be fine. It was an idiotic idea that would have done nothing to protect anyone from anything.
Quote2. If we were to assume your claim has merit, then large sodas are WAY down on the last of things that should be illegal in order to fix the problem. Alcohol? Cigarettes? Firearms? Nope, we'll just take out large sized soft drinks and everything will be fine. It was an idiotic idea that would have done nothing to protect anyone from anything.
I didn't mean "should be made illegal". I meant "should be taxed more heavily to support people ruining their health". Which, incidentally, cigarettes and alcohol already are. For that exact reason.
So.... no....... no one really likes Mob mentality and pretty much all of us have a knee-jerk reaction to Sarah Pain-lin. Whatever. She's wrong or stupid like 99% of the time = epic-ally So and in public, out loud and shit.... So she bought (for thousands on the gov dime) the Barbie outfits to match her own brand of gun-blazing-stupid! HerrDeeDurr
Yes........ we should be cool and tackle things by subject (or fact) and not by the person (insert Sarah).........
but.............
B U T............. it's Sarah fucking Palin for fucksake and she's such a nutjob she's a walking punchline.......... so............
yeah.........haters gotta hate!
I support Palin Haters! I've even given donations!!!!! =D> =D> =D>
(You know the song...sing it!)
My bologna has a first name its S A R A H
My bologna has a second name its P A L I N
Oh I love to watch her every daaay....
and with no doubt you know ...okay...
That Sarah Palin has a way with BS in your face ALL Day!
Quote from: "Plu"Quote2. If we were to assume your claim has merit, then large sodas are WAY down on the last of things that should be illegal in order to fix the problem. Alcohol? Cigarettes? Firearms? Nope, we'll just take out large sized soft drinks and everything will be fine. It was an idiotic idea that would have done nothing to protect anyone from anything.
I didn't mean "should be made illegal". I meant "should be taxed more heavily to support people ruining their health". Which, incidentally, cigarettes and alcohol already are. For that exact reason.
EXACTLY..!!!! Tax the shit out of it..!!!
My Brother an MD says that the majority of people in the hospital Under the age of 80 are there because they either smoke. drink too much or are obese..!! And its a toss up as to which is worse.!! Although in his personal viewings.. Its obesity..!! Smoking is second..and sadly its usually all three!!!
Quote from: "mnmelt"Quote from: "Plu"Quote2. If we were to assume your claim has merit, then large sodas are WAY down on the last of things that should be illegal in order to fix the problem. Alcohol? Cigarettes? Firearms? Nope, we'll just take out large sized soft drinks and everything will be fine. It was an idiotic idea that would have done nothing to protect anyone from anything.
I didn't mean "should be made illegal". I meant "should be taxed more heavily to support people ruining their health". Which, incidentally, cigarettes and alcohol already are. For that exact reason.
EXACTLY..!!!! Tax the shit out of it..!!!
My Brother an MD says that the majority of people in the hospital Under the age of 80 are there because they either smoke. drink too much or are obese..!! And its a toss up as to which is worse.!! Although in his personal viewings.. Its obesity..!! Smoking is second..and sadly its usually all three!!!
Most excellent ^ :-D
(as I......erm........uh...........like a cigg............oopsie) :shock:
Stupid proposal and the wrong approach to a serious problem.
Sarah Palin is still a smarmy twatwaffle for doing that and for most of the other things she does.
Such as breathing constantly in and out.
Bloomberg is a pompous ass.
Palin is just a dumb cunt.
Quote from: "Minimalist"Bloomberg is a pompous ass.
Palin is just a dumb cunt.
=D>
Quote from: "Plu"Quote2. If we were to assume your claim has merit, then large sodas are WAY down on the last of things that should be illegal in order to fix the problem. Alcohol? Cigarettes? Firearms? Nope, we'll just take out large sized soft drinks and everything will be fine. It was an idiotic idea that would have done nothing to protect anyone from anything.
I didn't mean "should be made illegal". I meant "should be taxed more heavily to support people ruining their health". Which, incidentally, cigarettes and alcohol already are. For that exact reason.
Oh in that case, I'm with you. Taxing the bad stuff, and then actually using that money to help offset increased health care system burdens, is a very common sense idea. Which makes Bloomberg seem like an even larger idiot than he already is. A tax of $4 or so on all large soft drinks sold in the city would have sent the same 'hey this is bad for you message' he originally wanted to send and it would have also generated a ton of cash that could have been used to fund health care programs. Win/win. But no. He thought it was a better idea to just try to ban them. Moron.
Quote from: "stromboli"Sarah Palin. The name synonymous with herp derp.
Don't be mean to herp derp.
Quote from: "Mermaid"Sarah Palin is still a smarmy twatwaffle [...].
I really fucking love that word. I will steal it.
*Reads thread title* What, no oral sex? I thought this was the internet. The lot of you, unreliable. ;-)
QuoteHe thought it was a better idea to just try to ban them.
He must've been thinking about the prohibition and how well that worked out when he came up with this :-s
If they start over taxing food and drink there's going to be a black market.
[youtube:1dcr5lqk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3ug0dVCyeE[/youtube:1dcr5lqk]
QuoteIf they start over taxing food and drink there's going to be a black market.
Probably, yeah. Distributing crappy soda, most likely. And people will make their own. But most of them will be too lazy to bother and will just buy the more expensive soda.
It's the same with cigarettes. Which certainly beats the way drugs are handled.
Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "Minimalist"Bloomberg is a pompous ass.
Palin is just a dumb cunt.
=D>
+1
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Plu"Quote2. If we were to assume your claim has merit, then large sodas are WAY down on the last of things that should be illegal in order to fix the problem. Alcohol? Cigarettes? Firearms? Nope, we'll just take out large sized soft drinks and everything will be fine. It was an idiotic idea that would have done nothing to protect anyone from anything.
I didn't mean "should be made illegal". I meant "should be taxed more heavily to support people ruining their health". Which, incidentally, cigarettes and alcohol already are. For that exact reason.
Oh in that case, I'm with you. Taxing the bad stuff, and then actually using that money to help offset increased health care system burdens, is a very common sense idea. Which makes Bloomberg seem like an even larger idiot than he already is. A tax of $4 or so on all large soft drinks sold in the city would have sent the same 'hey this is bad for you message' he originally wanted to send and it would have also generated a ton of cash that could have been used to fund health care programs. Win/win. But no. He thought it was a better idea to just try to ban them. Moron.
Of course, if anyone
really thinks the extra taxes are likely to go to improve health care and stay there, I've got a bridge right there in NYC for sale.
I'm out at the VA with a friend to sign him out after his colonosc...colonoscop...aashole test and surprisingly Palin will probably show up to greet 'the troops'..
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I pretty much disagree with this woman on almost everything but am I the only one that finds it petty to be attacking her on this issue?
For the record I drink like 8 coke Zero's a day. I even wrote a song about it.
If I hit a convenience store I go for the big gulps.
fuck Bloomberg. on this one issue I pretty much have to side with Palin.
the new york coke ban is just fucking stupid and wrong.
what do you think?
John, you are missing the bigger picture. OUR global economy is one of exploitation, not problem solving. In the case of food, what big business puts out is costing tax payers billions in health care costs, not just the ER or people without health care. But it is corporatism that allows health insurance companies to exploit their profit margins by making people sicker. Now I am not accusing a conspiracy here, just a corrosive climate. Although I am sure there are bad players in both the food industry and health care industry who don't give a fuck.
The amount of obesity and amount of sugar we consume is costing tax payers billions.
I get that people make choices and should have choices, but pure "libertarianism" is a utopia and it comes at the cost of the rest of us. You have to have regulations that foster betterment not solely be focused on "I got mine".
We need a climate change in big business. We don't nor should we get rid of it, but we need globally is a priority shift away from extraction to problem solving.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"I'm out at the VA with a friend to sign him out after his colonosc...colonoscop...aashole test and surprisingly Palin will probably show up to greet 'the troops'..
Palin needs to go back to Alaska and shut the fuck up.
Quote from: "Brian37"Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I pretty much disagree with this woman on almost everything but am I the only one that finds it petty to be attacking her on this issue?
For the record I drink like 8 coke Zero's a day. I even wrote a song about it.
If I hit a convenience store I go for the big gulps.
fuck Bloomberg. on this one issue I pretty much have to side with Palin.
the new york coke ban is just fucking stupid and wrong.
what do you think?
John, you are missing the bigger picture. OUR global economy is one of exploitation, not problem solving. In the case of food, what big business puts out is costing tax payers billions in health care costs, not just the ER or people without health care. But it is corporatism that allows health insurance companies to exploit their profit margins by making people sicker. Now I am not accusing a conspiracy here, just a corrosive climate. Although I am sure there are bad players in both the food industry and health care industry who don't give a fuck.
The amount of obesity and amount of sugar we consume is costing tax payers billions.
I get that people make choices and should have choices, but pure "libertarianism" is a utopia and it comes at the cost of the rest of us. You have to have regulations that foster betterment not solely be focused on "I got mine".
We need a climate change in big business. We don't nor should we get rid of it, but we need globally is a priority shift away from extraction to problem solving.
really? so you're okay with the government banning cigarettes and beer too?
no. if you want to add a tax to such things to help off set the extra costs in healthcare those choices bring, fine, but to ban them? no.
like I said you can take my coke from my cold dead hands.
They could always stop subsidizing corn with our tax dollars so that the price of HFCS will go up and then it won't be so cheap to eat unhealthily. Maybe subsidize bok choy or something instead.
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Quote from: "Mermaid"Sarah Palin is still a smarmy twatwaffle [...].
I really fucking love that word. I will steal it.
You cant steel it, everyone besides you already has heard it. But it is funny the first time you hear it. I was glad I wasn't drinking anything the first time I heard "cum dumpster".
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"Quote from: "Brian37"Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I pretty much disagree with this woman on almost everything but am I the only one that finds it petty to be attacking her on this issue?
For the record I drink like 8 coke Zero's a day. I even wrote a song about it.
If I hit a convenience store I go for the big gulps.
fuck Bloomberg. on this one issue I pretty much have to side with Palin.
the new york coke ban is just fucking stupid and wrong.
what do you think?
John, you are missing the bigger picture. OUR global economy is one of exploitation, not problem solving. In the case of food, what big business puts out is costing tax payers billions in health care costs, not just the ER or people without health care. But it is corporatism that allows health insurance companies to exploit their profit margins by making people sicker. Now I am not accusing a conspiracy here, just a corrosive climate. Although I am sure there are bad players in both the food industry and health care industry who don't give a fuck.
The amount of obesity and amount of sugar we consume is costing tax payers billions.
I get that people make choices and should have choices, but pure "libertarianism" is a utopia and it comes at the cost of the rest of us. You have to have regulations that foster betterment not solely be focused on "I got mine".
We need a climate change in big business. We don't nor should we get rid of it, but we need globally is a priority shift away from extraction to problem solving.
really? so you're okay with the government banning cigarettes and beer too?
no. if you want to add a tax to such things to help off set the extra costs in healthcare those choices bring, fine, but to ban them? no.
like I said you can take my coke from my cold dead hands.
Damn it John, who is talking about a ban? You cant legally drive a monster truck as wide as a freeway down the free way, that is why we have standard size vehicles that are not wider than the lanes they drive in. And how would limiting the size of the soda or the amount of sugar in it be a ban? We also cant sell porn to children or beer to minors.
This is the same reaction car companies had to Nader when he pointed out how unsafe cars were. But after car companies pulled their heads out of their asses and regulation forced them to make safer cars, they learned they could make that a selling point.
So why cant a beverage company use that same marketing and innovation to make more healthy products? There is a difference between cant, and don't want to.
Quote from: "Brian37"Damn it John, who is talking about a ban? You cant legally drive a monster truck as wide as a freeway down the free way, that is why we have standard size vehicles that are not wider than the lanes they drive in. And how would limiting the size of the soda or the amount of sugar in it be a ban? We also cant sell porn to children or beer to minors.
drinking a big gulp and child porn are not comparable.
lets put it another way. do you want to government limiting how many cigarettes you can smoke, or how much beer you can drink?
This is no different than the blue laws bible thumping states have.
secondly child porn and cars that take up two lanes effects other people in a very negative way. me drinking a Big Gulp does not.
yeah it might make me less healthy and thus require a doctor, but so will not getting enough exercise. should we thus have exercise police?
QuoteThis is the same reaction car companies had to Nader when he pointed out how unsafe cars were. But after car companies pulled their heads out of their asses and regulation forced them to make safer cars, they learned they could make that a selling point.
So why cant a beverage company use that same marketing and innovation to make more healthy products? There is a difference between cant, and don't want to.
how does only being able to buy a tiny coke become a selling point? I'm thirsty. its hot, I want a big coke. Forcing me to drink a small one is NOT a selling point.
Just as libertarians can go to far, so can nanny statism.
the government better stay the hell away from my cokes.
http://hillbillyatheist.com/Coke-Zero.mp3 (http://hillbillyatheist.com/Coke-Zero.mp3)
QuoteI'm thirsty. its hot, I want a big coke.
:-s
Try water next time. That will actually quench your thirst. Coke won't stop you feeling thirsty.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteI'm thirsty. its hot, I want a big coke.
:-s
Try water next time.
no thanks.
QuoteThat will actually quench your thirst. Coke won't stop you feeling thirsty.
it works for me.
Quote from: "Brian37"Damn it John, who is talking about a ban? You cant legally drive a monster truck as wide as a freeway down the free way, that is why we have standard size vehicles that are not wider than the lanes they drive in.
And how would limiting the size of the soda or the amount of sugar in it be a ban? We also cant sell porn to children or beer to minors.
This is the same reaction car companies had to Nader when he pointed out how unsafe cars were. But after car companies pulled their heads out of their asses and regulation forced them to make safer cars, they learned they could make that a selling point.
So why cant a beverage company use that same marketing and innovation to make more healthy products? There is a difference between cant, and don't want to.
When the personal intake of unhealthy food or drink harms someone else, your comparisons might be valid.
Quoteit works for me.
Interesting. I was under the impression it contained far too much sugar and salt to be able to deal with thirst properly. (Although it might be a factor of how much you drink, of course. I suppose at some point even coke with get thirch quenching abilities, but you'll probably need to drink a lot of it?)
If it is attached-to, promoted-by or endorsed-by/for/around Sarah Palin........given it's an idea, a product or a random thought, theory or practice........ run. Run in the other direction.
Sarah Palin is the poster child of politico, lemon-scented buttwash and Blague-BabyBoom-Backbiter-Barbie if there ever was one.
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Quote from: "Brian37"So why cant a beverage company use that same marketing and innovation to make more healthy products? There is a difference between cant, and don't want to.
can you blame them for not wanting to? Let's see I can make this sugar drink that will sell like crack or I can make this health drink that will sell like a do it yourself root canal kit. Hmmm..... I think I'll make the shit that sells. Can you blame them?
Your car analogy isnt really valid. Drinking a soda doesn't put you at direct risk of injury or death. It might make you unhealthy if you drink it excessively. But that is not at all equivalent to the risks you're exposed to by operating an automobile. Cars need safety devices. Soda does not.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"If it is attached-to, promoted-by or endorsed-by/for/around Sarah Palin........given it's an idea, a product or a random thought, theory or practice........ run. Run in the other direction.
This to me is like the people who just oppose anything Obama is for just because its Obama.
no you should accept an idea or reject it based on its own merits, not by who does or does not support it.
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"If it is attached-to, promoted-by or endorsed-by/for/around Sarah Palin........given it's an idea, a product or a random thought, theory or practice........ run. Run in the other direction.
This to me is like the people who just oppose anything Obama is for just because its Obama.
no you should accept an idea or reject it based on its own merits, not by who does or does not support it.
Yes I know. I already answered you when you mentioned that before....... like page before this one.....or even one further back than that.
LOL
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Yes I know.
oh good. glad we agree. :-D
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Yes I know.
oh good. glad we agree. :-D
So.... no....... no one really likes Mob mentality and pretty much all of us have a knee-jerk reaction to Sarah Pain-lin. Whatever. She's wrong or stupid like 99% of the time = epic-ally So and in public, out loud and shit.... So she bought (for thousands on the gov dime) the Barbie outfits to match her own brand of gun-blazing-stupid! HerrDeeDurr
Yes........ we should be cool and tackle things by subject (or fact) and not by the person (insert Sarah).........
but.............
B U T............. it's Sarah fucking Palin for fucksake and she's such a nutjob she's a walking punchline.......... so............
yeah.........haters gotta hate!
I support Palin Haters! I've even given donations!!!!!
[spoil:yoapqndf](You know the song...sing it!)
My bologna has a first name its S A R A H
My bologna has a second name its P A L I N
Oh I love to watch her every daaay....
and with no doubt you know ...okay...
That Sarah Palin has a way with BS in your face ALL Day![/spoil:yoapqndf]
I like her. she and her ilk are ruining the GOP brand. LOL! the more wackos like her get amplified, the worse things get for the GOP.
and the sooner they see their demise, the sooner progressives can rise up and crush conservatism once and for all.
So here's to more Bachmanns and Tod akins and Palins and other people who just got off the train from crazy town. may your brand be ever tied to the GOP.
I welcome it, and the GOP going the way of the whigs.
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I like her. she and her ilk are ruining the GOP brand. LOL! the more wackos like her get amplified, the worse things get for the GOP.
and the sooner they see their demise, the sooner progressives can rise up and crush conservatism once and for all.
So here's to more Bachmanns and Tod akins and Palins and other people who just got off the train from crazy town. may your brand be ever tied to the GOP.
I welcome it, and the GOP going the way of the whigs.
Well, then you've not caught on to my evil, wicked plan,
yet. See...... the more we whine and complain and hate on Palin the more the right-ers will worship and follow, promote her. Thus I help implement the very thing you wish for: More wack-jobs in the GOP.
The wackier the better= Till they look pathetic to their
own party. So far so good. Like this:
QuoteThe remarks came at the Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington. Looking ahead to the 2016 presidential election, McConnell quipped, "Don't tell me Democrats are the party of the future when their presidential ticket for 2016 is shaping up to look like a rerun of the 'Golden Girls.'"
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Sometimes it's just too easy. All you have to do is give em 10 mins with a microphone.
Her voice drives me up the wall. I'd rather jam broken pencils into my eardrums than listen to an entire speech of hers.
She's one of the stupidest people I've ever seen in politics. Practically everything she says makes me want to crawl into a cave and weep for humanity. (Even so, she's Einstein compared to Louie Gohmert and Alvin Greene.)
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"I pretty much disagree with this woman on almost everything but am I the only one that finds it petty to be attacking her on this issue?
For the record I drink like 8 coke Zero's a day. I even wrote a song about it.
If I hit a convenience store I go for the big gulps.
fuck Bloomberg. on this one issue I pretty much have to side with Palin.
the new york coke ban is just fucking stupid and wrong.
what do you think?
If Sarah Palin did it or endorsed it, you can bet she is wrong.
so when she advocates for helping kids with mental problems, she wrong because she's Palin? thats just as stupid as people that just automatically dismiss something because Obama is for it. its this kind of attitude that makes me weep for humanity.
QuoteBloomberg is right and was right to help the poor people in the city by banning large suger drinks. It's much more than an issue of socalled freedom. It is a health issue. You go to any poor part of any major city and what is avalible is nothing but fat filled suger foods.
so should we ban weed, cigarettes, beer, and candy too?
QuoteThat and advertizing these dangerous foods. Bloomberg was pushing back against the food industry that brainwashes the populace to buying their addictive unhealthy foods and drinks. Bloomberg is fighting against the pushers of these bad foods. So Sarah is wrong and her idea of freedom is nothing more than allowing big business to dictate to the masses and control us all in the name of profits.
nobody is forcing people to eat and drink unhealthy shit. when Coca-cola starts hog tying people and forcing Dr. Pepper down their throats, get back to me.
QuotePlus Sarah's little smug smarming attitude is just so childish it isn't even funny.
agreed.
anyway as I've said, I think the solution is subsidize health foods and have them very low cost, and easily available, then put taxes on unhealthy foods to offset costs of the health care issues they cause, like we do with smoking. done.
past that the government has no business forcing people to eat healthy. what's next? exercise police to come make you jog?
1. I never said anything about kids with mental disease so don't interject something that ISN'T part of the thread.
2. I also said that "MOST LIKELY if palin endorsed it it is wrong. No automatic decission there. Shes not wrong because shes palin, shes wrong because shes wrong.
3. Coke doesn't own Dr.Pepper! The Food Industry has for years actually forced people to eat and drink their sugery fatty foods. They have put their crap in schools and removed healthy choices for years until recent pushbacks from the public. They have used subliminal messeging and brainwashing advertizing to get us hooked on their addictive crap. So a form of hogtying already exist.
"anyway as I've said, I think the solution is subsidize health foods and have them very low cost, and easily available, then put taxes on unhealthy foods to offset costs of the health care issues they cause, like we do with smoking. done." This I totally agree with!
Quote from: "mykcob4"1. I never said anything about kids with mental disease so don't interject something that ISN'T part of the thread.
you implied you oppose anything palin is for.
well because palin has a kid with down syndrome, she is for helping kids with mental disabilities.
therefore if you just blindly oppose anything she supports, you wind up opposing things you might not actually oppose.
Quote2. I also said that "MOST LIKELY if palin endorsed it it is wrong. No automatic decission there. Shes not wrong because shes palin, shes wrong because shes wrong.
your exact words were "If Sarah Palin did it or endorsed it, you can bet she is wrong." and it was in relation to this coke thing. still I'm not one to put words in peoples mouths. if you simply think she's often wrong, we agree on that. She's right to dig Bloomberg on his stupid coke ban though.
Quote3. Coke doesn't own Dr.Pepper!
not relevant to my point. the point is they don't force people to drink their products.
QuoteThe Food Industry has for years actually forced people to eat and drink their sugery fatty foods.
prove it. show me a video of coke thugs forcing coke down peoples throats.
QuoteThey have put their crap in schools and removed healthy choices for years until recent pushbacks from the public.
unhealthy foods isn't just cokes, secondly that has nothing to do with this ban.
making sure kids have healthy food is one thing. telling me I can't buy a big gulp is another.
QuoteThey have used subliminal messeging and brainwashing advertizing to get us hooked on their addictive crap. So a form of hogtying already exist.
subliminal? :lol: ok ignoring pseudoscientific bullshit, advertising your products isn't force. nobody forces me to drink Coke. I chose too. and I'll thank you and your ilk to mind your own business.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteI don't care. I like it. and the government can pry my can of Coke Zero from my cold dead hands. LOL
To be honest I think it should be like that, but the problem is that hospitals get crammed full of people who are there because of their own fault, and their treatment then gets in the way of people who need to be there because of something that isn't their fault.
And that doesn't sit right with me.
If that weren't the case then in a few decades hospitals would be getting crammed full of people who were too damned old to have any right to still be living and their treatment would get in the way of people who need to be there for other reasons. We already way outlive the usefulness of our bodies and major health problems are coming sooner or later anyway. Pushing them back a couple of decades does nothing to solve any problems, it only delays it. I don't want to die at 50 or anything, but neither do I want to hit 90. I want to be done before I'm back in diapers. Already one in three elderly people have dementia. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but it's a creepy cousin to Alzheimer's, which is another thing a lot of elderly have. We live too fucking long already.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"I'm out at the VA with a friend to sign him out after his colonosc...colonoscop...aashole test and surprisingly Palin will probably show up to greet 'the troops'..
They found Palin in his ass? WOW! All they found in mine was polyps.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"If it is attached-to, promoted-by or endorsed-by/for/around Sarah Palin........given it's an idea, a product or a random thought, theory or practice........ run. Run in the other direction.
Sarah Palin is the poster child of politico, lemon-scented buttwash and Blague-BabyBoom-Backbiter-Barbie if there ever was one.
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I don't know how to put this so I'll just come out with it. Will you get a divorce, switch teams and love me forever?