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Title: An experiment
Post by: trdsf on December 11, 2015, 09:31:41 AM
Okay, let's state the following as givens from the start:

1) You only have my word that I have not seen my new doctor before, or that I have not seen a picture of her before.
2) You have your own judgment of my trustworthiness.

I don't often remember my dreams, but I dreamed last night about meeting my new doctor, who I am just about to leave to see for the first time.

I want to write down what I saw in the dream to see if it tallies at all with what she actually looks like, before I go.

Shorter than me (5'4" to 5'6"), solidly built, dark hair a little like Roseanne Rosannadanna (that'll bring out the old folks), slightly larger nose than Gilda's, though.

I'll report back after the appointment with how completely wrong (or unexpectedly right) I am.  After all, predicting the future is no good if you only report it after you've found out if you're right or not.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: stromboli on December 11, 2015, 09:42:53 AM
Throw in the likelihood of either mixed race or a specific culture-I'll go with Hindu- I think you are close. The likelihood is probably higher than you think. You have described a few health care workers I've encountered.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: trdsf on December 11, 2015, 01:17:32 PM
Abject failure.  Dark hair worn smoothly, Mediterranean 'olive' complexion (with perhaps some Iberian Peninsula), she was shorter than I, and a solidly built, but my first glance was enough: *not* the person I saw in my dream.

No, the only weird part is now I have to get used to having a doctor that's younger than me.  (o.O)
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: Sal1981 on December 11, 2015, 01:40:26 PM
You lacked enough faith. If you had enough faith she would be the one you seek'd :P
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: stromboli on December 11, 2015, 01:57:58 PM
I am disappoint.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: Sylar on December 11, 2015, 02:26:40 PM
Chances are, you've probably seen the person you described in the OP, or caught a glimpse of her.. even if by your peripherals.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: stromboli on December 11, 2015, 06:37:34 PM
Is this by chance a glimpse into some fantasy world that would likely scare the bejeesus out of Cthulhu himself?
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: trdsf on December 11, 2015, 07:06:53 PM
Quote from: stromboli on December 11, 2015, 06:37:34 PM
Is this by chance a glimpse into some fantasy world that would likely scare the bejeesus out of Cthulhu himself?
That's the back corner of my brain where the stuff I don't write resides.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: Unbeliever on December 11, 2015, 07:38:41 PM
Would've been an interesting coincidence had the doctor turned out to be recognizably similar to your dream doc. How hard would it be to convince you that it really was a coincidence, in that eventuality?
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: stromboli on December 11, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: trdsf on December 11, 2015, 07:06:53 PM
That's the back corner of my brain where the stuff I don't write resides.

I just don't know you anymore.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: trdsf on December 11, 2015, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 11, 2015, 07:38:41 PM
Would've been an interesting coincidence had the doctor turned out to be recognizably similar to your dream doc. How hard would it be to convince you that it really was a coincidence, in that eventuality?
I don't know.  And the fundamental problem would still be, I would lack evidence that I could present beyond my word -- and while I'm a big fan of myself, even I have to say that my word is simply not evidentiary.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: SGOS on December 11, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
Quote from: trdsf on December 11, 2015, 01:17:32 PM

No, the only weird part is now I have to get used to having a doctor that's younger than me.  (o.O)

Yeah, well get used to it.  All my doctors have been younger than me for the last 30 years, but at least none of them sports a green Mohawk.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: Johan on December 11, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
Ok not for nothing but I feel the need to speak up.

I get what you're saying when you say totally not the person you saw in your dream. I take you at your word and I accept that.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that your first post involving your dream and your second post involving reality both clearly stated that you saw a dark haired woman who was solidly built and shorter than you.

Yep. I totally get the part where you clearly stated that each were totally different women. But the fact remains that of all the nearly infinite amount of words you could've chosen to describe either, you somehow managed to choose a very high percentage of the same words to describe both. So even though I'm generally the skeptic asshole in the crowd, I still have to ask (suggest)... coincidence????
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: Baruch on December 12, 2015, 12:31:07 PM
The common factor, in both circumstances, was trdsf.  The same brain choosing the same words isn't even coincidence ... it is expected.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: Unbeliever on December 12, 2015, 04:18:19 PM
(http://data.whicdn.com/images/468327/large.jpg)
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: trdsf on December 12, 2015, 08:46:07 PM
Quote from: Johan on December 11, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
Ok not for nothing but I feel the need to speak up.

I get what you're saying when you say totally not the person you saw in your dream. I take you at your word and I accept that.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that your first post involving your dream and your second post involving reality both clearly stated that you saw a dark haired woman who was solidly built and shorter than you.

Yep. I totally get the part where you clearly stated that each were totally different women. But the fact remains that of all the nearly infinite amount of words you could've chosen to describe either, you somehow managed to choose a very high percentage of the same words to describe both. So even though I'm generally the skeptic asshole in the crowd, I still have to ask (suggest)... coincidence????

I think Baruch has the most likely explanation.  I can assure you, despite broad similarities in height and hair color, had you seen both the doctor in my dream and my real world doctor, you would not confuse them even for a moment.
Title: Re: An experiment
Post by: Baruch on December 12, 2015, 10:05:12 PM
I have experienced deja vu too.  But officially, your sensation is tying to things together that are not the same, because of an anomaly in your memory recall, a false association.  There is more than one level of functionality that can go wrong.  Also memory itself is notoriously bad.  It is not a video camera nor an audio tape.