hello admin, i am from Pakistan, a country where one can not express one's ideas publicly . if one does it , he is sentenced to death either by extremist populace or even by courts. i have in search of free thinkers to whom i may share my ideas. today i am happy to find this forum. hope you would encourage me.
Welcome! Glad to have you. It's a shame what a simple belief (or rather in this case, lack of belief) can get you into in some parts of the world. I'm always grateful I live in the United States for that reason.
Welcome.
Welcome aboard! I'm pretty new here too but I'm sure you'll find plenty of guidance here.
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Welcome.
Consider yourself encouraged.
thanks friends. .. . i am proud of joining you people. we shall keep on contact.
Anything you need help with or want to know, don't hesitate to ask!
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Hi Amjadali, you got brass balls son.
hi friends, i need solid arguments against god and religious drama. i am student of English literature and philosophy.
Where would you like to start?
hi friends, i need solid arguments against god and religious drama. i am student of English literature and philosophy.
Welcome. Take care of yourself and be smart about this. The world needs brave people like you to hang around for a while.
Quote from: "amjadali"hi friends, i need solid arguments against god and religious drama. i am student of English literature and philosophy.
Then start here.
http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Referen ... ers%29.htm (http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/False_Testament_%28Harpers%29.htm)
In the last 30 years archaeology has taken the bible apart. All of the Angry Desert God religions are built on a now-discredited foundation.
Quote from: "amjadali"hi friends, i need solid arguments against god and religious drama.
1) Without any evidence for any gods, no argument against any god(s) is necessary.
2)But if you want to see one argument against one god: Omnipotence, omnipresence, and perfect goodness are internally contradictory qualities in the Abrahamic god, given the existence of evil.
A useful place to start is sometimes just to ask people questions. "Why would a loving God . . ." can start all sorts of interesting questions.
Why would a loving God allow so many people to suffer?
Why would a loving God need people to worship him?
And so on.
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Keep yourself safe and sound first! ^_^ If anyone discovers this site you could say you were trying to convert us! I will support you!
Quote from: "Gyroid"Hello! ^_^ Welcome.
Keep yourself safe and sound first! ^_^ If anyone discovers this site you could say you were trying to convert us! I will support you!
I was thinking the same thing. ^
Yes, welcome. But also please be safe about having our site open to other eyes. I'd hate to have you in any trouble by simply visiting our site. If you can be here -safely - then yes, please do so. Looking forward to your posts.
I think a perfectly legitimate, strong, simple question to get someone's thoughts going in the right direction is:
If God made the universe, what's with all the waste and failure? Why do things seem so arbitrary and sometimes counterproductive? We're talking about a deity who supposedly directs every falling spec of dust here.
Quote from: "Sleeper"I think a perfectly legitimate, strong, simple question to get someone's thoughts going in the right direction is:
If God made the universe, what's with all the waste and failure? Why do things seem so arbitrary and sometimes counterproductive? We're talking about a deity who supposedly directs every falling spec of dust here.
Trouble with this approach is the classic "God's plans are too deep for us, he has a purpose for everything we see as arbitrary, our brains are too tiny, blah blah blah."
Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "Sleeper"I think a perfectly legitimate, strong, simple question to get someone's thoughts going in the right direction is:
If God made the universe, what's with all the waste and failure? Why do things seem so arbitrary and sometimes counterproductive? We're talking about a deity who supposedly directs every falling spec of dust here.
Trouble with this approach is the classic "God's plans are too deep for us, he has a purpose for everything we see as arbitrary, our brains are too tiny, blah blah blah."
He has a purpose for the gas giant 8 times bigger than Jupiter that's 600 million light years away? What a waste of matter. They apply that argument for the evil and suffering, but even they've got to see how far short it falls here.
Quote from: "Sleeper"Quote from: "Davka"They apply that argument for the evil and suffering, but even they've got to see how far short it falls here.
You
do realize who we're talking about here, don't you?
Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "Sleeper"They apply that argument for the evil and suffering, but even they've got to see how far short it falls here.
You do realize who we're talking about here, don't you?
Jeff Beck and the Electric Light Orchestra.
Wait. Who were you talking about?
Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "Sleeper"I think a perfectly legitimate, strong, simple question to get someone's thoughts going in the right direction is:
If God made the universe, what's with all the waste and failure? Why do things seem so arbitrary and sometimes counterproductive? We're talking about a deity who supposedly directs every falling spec of dust here.
Trouble with this approach is the classic "God's plans are too deep for us, he has a purpose for everything we see as arbitrary, our brains are too tiny, blah blah blah."
Well, then either that god's plans are imperfectly complex, or he created our imperfectly simple brains.
The crucial point is that theists who claim that their god is responsible for the entire universe cannot be allowed for a moment to forget that their god is responsible for the
entire universe.
Quote from: "amjadali"hi friends, i need solid arguments against god and religious drama. i am student of English literature and philosophy.
A couple of starting points:
I always ask why God,who is all-knowing and everywhere needs a book or prophets to communicate to us mere mortals....and,oh yes, why do so many believers relish in the murder of those outside their creed.
Warning:before asking such questions make sure you have an escape route.
Wishing you well and safe.