Hi.
Thought I'd come here, share a few things... 8-)
I'm a non-denominational commandment keeping christian. "Messianic Jew" for some... Same thing.
Eager to see what kind of people populate this forum.
Blessings
It's mostly populated with atheists.
Welcome to the forum.
Welcome aboard. Most people here keep the commandments worth keeping and ignore the rest :)
We're like that, scrounging stuff that works wherever we can find it.
Quote from: "Plu"Welcome aboard. Most people here keep the commandments worth keeping and ignore the rest :)
We're like that, scrounging stuff that works wherever we can find it.
Thx for the honesty.
It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's the way of progress :)
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Eager to see what kind of people populate this forum.
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Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Hi.
Thought I'd come here, share a few things... 8-)
I'm a non-denominational commandment keeping christian. "Messianic Jew" for some... Same thing.
Eager to see what kind of people populate this forum.
Blessings
Welcome, but be warned, this is not Mr Roger's Neighborhood. We will knock your claims around.
Welcome Shin, my fellow unbeliever. What, you say, me, an unbeliever? We are all unbelievers, my friend. We just believe in one less god than you do.
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No, not at all, if you make a bullshit claim I don't see the problem with using the word "bullshit".
For example,
Claimant "The New York Yankees won the Superbowl this year"
Skeptic, "Bullshit, first that isn't even the right sport, secondly the Baltimore Ravens won the Superbowl"
Claimant "WHY WONT YOU LET ME BELIEVE THE YANKEES WON?"
Skeptic, "Because it is fucking nuts to believe that after I told you the facts".
Claimant, "YOU HATE ME"
Now, if someone is that obtuse, how long should we be polite before we tell them to fuck off?
Don't mistake bluntness and ridicule with immaturity. I think it is immature to expect others to coddle your own insecurities because you get offended.
Hey, Shin, welcome to the monkey house!
I'm a former Messianic Believer, married into an Israeli family. I even lived over there for a number of years, studying Hebrew (among other things). I will gladly counter your every claim and belief with embarrassing facts and annoying opinions. You have but to ask.
8-)
Quote from: "Davka"Hey, Shin, welcome to the monkey house!
I'm a former Messianic Believer, married into an Israeli family. I even lived over there for a number of years, studying Hebrew (among other things). I will gladly counter your every claim and belief with embarrassing facts and annoying opinions. You have but to ask.
8-)
Interesting. Did you by any chance write a testimony on this forum? I am curious to see what made you lose faith.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Davka"Hey, Shin, welcome to the monkey house!
I'm a former Messianic Believer, married into an Israeli family. I even lived over there for a number of years, studying Hebrew (among other things). I will gladly counter your every claim and belief with embarrassing facts and annoying opinions. You have but to ask.
8-)
Interesting. Did you by any chance write a testimony on this forum? I am curious to see what made you lose faith.
No, I haven't written a testimony here. I'd be happy to go over the reasons that I found rationalism, but not right now - I'm pretty tired out from work, and besides it's nearly erev shabbat. I no longer believe, but I do see value in some traditions.
Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Davka"Hey, Shin, welcome to the monkey house!
I'm a former Messianic Believer, married into an Israeli family. I even lived over there for a number of years, studying Hebrew (among other things). I will gladly counter your every claim and belief with embarrassing facts and annoying opinions. You have but to ask.
8-)
Interesting. Did you by any chance write a testimony on this forum? I am curious to see what made you lose faith.
No, I haven't written a testimony here. I'd be happy to go over the reasons that I found rationalism, but not right now - I'm pretty tired out from work, and besides it's nearly erev shabbat. I no longer believe, but I do see value in some traditions.
Haha fair enough.
Welcome Shin! :)
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Eager to see what kind of people populate this forum.
Some words of warning. Believers do not last in this forum too long usually. If you make a claim with think is bullshit, we will tell you it is bullshit. If we don't like you -- and we tend to not like many theists -- we will tell you. So, good luck. You'll need it.
Hi and welcome Shin.
I dare say we share more common ground that one would expect. Only difference between a theist and an atheist IMO is the how easily one believes claims.
Enjoy your time.
Welcome.
What is it you intend to share?
Welcome. :popcorn:
Hi Shin and welcome,
I suppose you know that the the Hebrew word 'shin' means tooth.
Out of interest are you a Jew by heritage or one those Messianics who are 'Jews in spirit'?
I ask because I have met Messianic Jews several times, here in the UK, who turned out not be of Jewish heritage at all. I have also been to a Friday night service where the pastor insisted I proclaim"Jesus is Lord!" before he would speak to me.
Enjoy the forum
Jedster
Welcome, infidel. :-D
Quote from: "caseagainstfaith"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Eager to see what kind of people populate this forum.
Some words of warning. Believers do not last in this forum too long usually. If you make a claim with think is bullshit, we will tell you it is bullshit. If we don't like you -- and we tend to not like many theists -- we will tell you. So, good luck. You'll need it.
LOL, this is just like any other atheist forum out there. Don't see where it is less welcoming... :-k
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Hi.
Thought I'd come here, share a few things... 8-)
I'm a non-denominational commandment keeping christian. "Messianic Jew" for some... Same thing.
Eager to see what kind of people populate this forum.
Blessings
Welcome. What brings you here?
Quote from: "Jedster"I suppose you know that the the Hebrew word 'shin' means tooth.
Jedster
:wink: No I did not know about that. My nick is actually Japanese and not Hebrew. But hey, you learn something new everyday.
Quote from: "Youssuf Ramadan"Welcome, infidel. :-D
:-D
"Good evening Achmed."
"Good evening... infidel..."
haha priceless.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Davka"Hey, Shin, welcome to the monkey house!
I'm a former Messianic Believer, married into an Israeli family. I even lived over there for a number of years, studying Hebrew (among other
things). I will gladly counter your every claim and belief with embarrassing facts and annoying opinions. You have but to ask.
8-)
Interesting. Did you by any chance write a testimony on this forum? I am curious to see what made you lose faith.
Testimony is a funny word. I usually think of it as offering some kind of evidence, as in a legal hearing, so I wouldn't say I've ever offered my testimony here. I have none to give; No testimony. No evidence. I struggled with that most of my life. Where is the credible evidence for a god? There is none, at least none that anyone has ever given.
Eventually, I decided it wasn't worth searching for anymore. I'm not smart enough to provide what no one else has been able to produce. So for most of my life, I called myself an agnostic.
Then one day, I did a little soul searching and asked myself if I believed in a god (a much different thing than realizing there is no evidence), and had to admit that I did not. That was the day I realized I was an atheist. I have probably been an atheist most of my life, but for most of that time, I didn't have the courage to admit it.
I really didn't lose faith as your question asks. I just never had any, except maybe when I was a small child. But that wasn't really faith either. It was just believing in something my family told me was true. Faith is an act of believing in something for no credible reason. Like it or not, that's the definition of "faith", and without having a debate about semantics, that makes an act of faith a rather pitiful reason to believe in something.
Welcome I guess.. I'm not in grumpy, whiney old bastard mode now so I'll be nice if I fucking have to..
Atheist most my adult life, but if it makes anyone feel better I kind of like Fiddler on the Roof.. The cow always gets me right there. --> ?
Hey, Shin. Atheist here.
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Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Jedster"I suppose you know that the the Hebrew word 'shin' means tooth.
Jedster
:wink: No I did not know about that. My nick is actually Japanese and not Hebrew. But hey, you learn something new everyday.
So since you didn't answer my question, I assume that you are not a Jew by heritage.
Quote from: "Jedster"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Jedster"I suppose you know that the the Hebrew word 'shin' means tooth.
Jedster
:wink: No I did not know about that. My nick is actually Japanese and not Hebrew. But hey, you learn something new everyday.
So since you didn't answer my question, I assume that you are not a Jew by heritage.
?? What do u mean? By blood?
Welcome. We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological diversity will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.
Yes Shin, he means genetically through your mother.
Thx Zurich.
Yes I am, but I tend not to brag about it. Why do you want to know Jedster? :-s
You're welcome Shin. Here in the US, the more liberal Jewish Synagogs tend to allow anyone who commits themselves to the faith to join. This makes things a bit confusing when we hear "the Jewish race" and we know that the Hebrew race is not the same as the members of the Jewish faith. Then we have Messianic Jews whom I consider to be Christians, as they claim to follow Jesus.
Not sure why Jed wants to know, but it can get downright confusing if you think it through.
It's why I groan when I hear the Muslim race, and there is no such thing. I can't be racist if I criticize Islam, because not every member of that faith is Arabic.
Quote from: "SvZurich"You're welcome Shin. Here in the US, the more liberal Jewish Synagogs tend to allow anyone who commits themselves to the faith to join. This makes things a bit confusing when we hear "the Jewish race" and we know that the Hebrew race is not the same as the members of the Jewish faith. Then we have Messianic Jews whom I consider to be Christians, as they claim to follow Jesus.
Not sure why Jed wants to know, but it can get downright confusing if you think it through.
It's why I groan when I hear the Muslim race, and there is no such thing. I can't be racist if I criticize Islam, because not every member of that faith is Arabic.
Well said.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Hi.
Thought I'd come here, share a few things... 8-)
I'm a non-denominational commandment keeping christian. "Messianic Jew" for some... Same thing.
Eager to see what kind of people populate this forum.
Blessings
Welcome. A couple questions...
1 - If you're keeping the commandments why do you need Jesus? Isn't that statement a little like how the rich young ruler answered Jesus?
2 - You say you're non-denominational. Don't you think it's important to be credal and confessional, you know, to get the Bible right and worship with people who are of like mind? If not, why did the ancients take the time to be so specific (and yet still somehow so vague) about what you should do and believe? Why did the writers add in all the doctrine if it could be so easily tossed aside for the sake of ecumenical appeasement?
Hey, Shin - happy motze shabbat. Just read through the thread, I was very surprised that you were unaware of the Hebrew 'shin,' which is a letter in the alef-bet, written like so:
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It's the first letter of "shalom" and "shabbat," and found on every mezuza, often along with a dalet and yod:
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. . . where it is the first letter of the word "shaddai" (almighty) as well as standing for the phrase "shomer daletot Yisrael," or "guardian of the doors of Israel."
You're supposed to know this stuff. Nu, nu, nu!
Oddly, the second part of your nick also means something in Hebrew, but it doesn't make any sense in the context of the shin. "Ka'iri" means "like my city."
So, I take it you weren't raised Jewish in the religious sense?
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Thx Zurich.
Yes I am, but I tend not to brag about it. Why do you want to know Jedster? :-s
Nothing to do with race.
As I said earlier I have met many MJs who have never had any connection with Jews, either via conversion or being born into a Jewish family. These people use this deception to inveigle older and vulnerable Jews.
I just wanted to know if you are deceiver, which you are not in the sense I have stated.
Were you bat-mitzvad?
Quote from: "Davka"Hey, Shin - happy motze shabbat. Just read through the thread, I was very surprised that you were unaware of the Hebrew 'shin,' which is a letter in the alef-bet, written like so:
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It's the first letter of "shalom" and "shabbat," and found on every mezuza, often along with a dalet and yod:
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. . . where it is the first letter of the word "shaddai" (almighty) as well as standing for the phrase "shomer daletot Yisrael," or "guardian of the doors of Israel."
You're supposed to know this stuff. Nu, nu, nu!
Oddly, the second part of your nick also means something in Hebrew, but it doesn't make any sense in the context of the shin. "Ka'iri" means "like my city."
So, I take it you weren't raised Jewish in the religious sense?
Oh that's the letter :shock: Ok then, ofc I know that letter but I was just making the point that my nick had nothing to do with the hebrew letter.
No. I wasn't raised jewish at all. I was raised atheist. I had nothing to do with Israel until only a few years ago.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"I was raised atheist. .
Highly unlikely
Welcome. :)
What do you hope to gain from this forum?
Oh, and I see you were raised atheist, why did you happen to become a believer?
Ok, that makes more sense. So how did you become a Messianic Jew? Is Messianic Judaism your first real exploration of Judaism?
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You asked how I came to rationalism. Short version: I studied the Bible, Biblical History, and Hebrew for many years. I also spent time talking to Biblical Archaeologists and reading as much information as I could get my hands on about the foundations of both Judaism and Christianity.
Early on, it became apparent that most pastors were merely repeating stuff they had heard from other that made them feel good. They didn't bother to research for themselves. One thing I found painfully common was misuse/abuse of the original Hebrew, in order to prove some point or another. Often the point had nothing to do with what the Bible actually says.
When I attempted to bring these mistakes to the attention of various pastors, I was not received with Christian love and joy. Rather, I was often chastised for daring to contradict "God's chosen leadership" or some similar nonsense. Still, this did not deter me from my faith - it merely made me aware that the Church is badly broken.
Over the years, I attempted to live a life of Radical Christianity, basing all of my decisions on a combination of Biblical precepts, Prayer, and Confirmation. I was willing to sell all my possessions, give to the poor, and follow Jesus. Many times I "stepped out in faith," trusting that God would take care of me, even as I made decisions that were foolhardy on the face of them. Eventually, I ended up living in Israel, with dual US & Israeli citizenship, studying Hebrew and attempting to support my family.
Oddly enough, even though I followed Biblical precepts as closely as I possibly could, the results were never as promised. After 7 years in Israel, I moved back to the USA and settled in the Bible Belt, coincidentally landing in the part of the country with the highest percentage of Christians per-capita. It was there, after 6 years of searching for a church that actually taught the Bible, that I came to a startling conclusion one day: there is no god.
At first it scared me and confused me. For 18 years I had followed the Bible, convinced that the emotions I was experiencing were divine in origin. But the more I studied and sacrificed, the more it became apparent that NONE of the promises in the Bible actually come to pass when you try to live that way. What's more, the world does not know Christians by their love for one-another, or by anything else, except perhaps bigotry and intolerance. Christians are no different from anyone else, even though Jesus supposedly said that they would stand out dramatically.
What I have learned is this: The Bible contradicts itself, and is clearly a man-made collection of writings. The physical evidence in Israel does not line up with the Bible. The Church is not what the Bible says it is. Following the precepts of "god" in the Bible does not lead to the outcomes promised in the Bible. Most believers are painfully ignorant of what their own faith teaches, and even those who are aware do not order their lives according to Biblical Christianity. "God" is a construct of the human mind, and every supposed evidence of god turns out to be confirmation bias, coincidence, or just plain wrong.
That's a short synopsis of nearly 20 years of my life. The long version would take a book or three.
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"I was raised atheist. .
Highly unlikely
Why?
The founders of the State of Israel were atheist Jews. Jews in Europe have been at the leading edge of the atheist movement for over a century. Half of the Jews in North America self-identify as atheist or agnostic. Why would you expect that someone raised in a Jewish family in France would be any different?
Because atheism is not a school, nor a philosophy, or a religion. It is possible he was brought up in a non-religious household but highly unlikely he was raised "to be an atheist". Most atheists are intelligent enough to understand science enough that their children would likewise have SOME intelligence to the point where reading a book completely devoid of common sense, reason or morality would set off the koo-koo alarm.
This one embraces it like he grew up brainwashed, which is what I suspect happened, or he has an ailment of another type. Reasonable inspection of the babble is all that is necessary for reasonable people to reject it. His blog reads like a cut and paste of everything he was brainwashed into. I doubt he could find his way out of a single room bathroom without a sign.
Quote from: "aitm"Because atheism is not a school, nor a philosophy, or a religion. It is possible he was brought up in a non-religious household but highly unlikely he was raised "to be an atheist". Most atheists are intelligent enough to understand science enough that their children would likewise have SOME intelligence to the point where reading a book completely devoid of common sense, reason or morality would set off the koo-koo alarm.
This one embraces it like he grew up brainwashed, which is what I suspect happened, or he has an ailment of another type. Reasonable inspection of the babble is all that is necessary for reasonable people to reject it. His blog reads like a cut and paste of everything he was brainwashed into. I doubt he could find his way out of a single room bathroom without a sign.
Atheism = Lack of belief in god(s). Being raised atheist = Being raised without belief in god(s). I doubt he was stating that he was raised with The God Delusion and daily prayers to our goddess Athe ...
There's a difference between being raised without a belief in god and being raised without religion. I wouldn't call "not mentioning religion until your kid asks you about it and then giving them a bible and saying 'see for yourself'" the same as telling them from a young age that religious people are dumb and gods aren't real.
The latter is being raised atheist, the former isn't.
Quote from: "La Dolce Vita"Welcome. :)
Oh, and I see you were raised atheist, why did you happen to become a believer?
I never did a testimony as of yet in any forum but I have to say that recently I've thought about maybe doing it. If I do make one, I'll tell you. :-D
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "La Dolce Vita"Welcome. :)
Oh, and I see you were raised atheist, why did you happen to become a believer?
I never did a testimony as of yet in any forum but I have to say that recently I've thought about maybe doing it. If I do make one, I'll tell you. :-D
What is a testimony to you?
Well I don't think there is a difference between "raised atheist" and "raised without religion". But hey, if you some of you think there is, then... go at it :-D
To put it in a nutshell, I was raised to not care. It's not that I was an atheist or religious, I was neither. I just, didn't care.
Yeah, that's not being raised atheist anymore than your parents never raising you to play football is being raised "a-football-ist". Your parents simply didn't give you a religious upbringing. Atheism is the default you'll fall into, and the final stop for most people I know to have received that kind of upbringing.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"To put it in a nutshell, I was raised to not care. It's not that I was an atheist or religious, I was neither. I just, didn't care.
I ain't buying it. Oh it's possible that your parents were complete morons, ignorant of all science, literature and common sense and thus you were raised to not "know" anything and then at some time some lovely girl (or boy) caught your eye and invited you to church where you, devoid of knowledge had your head filled with gobblygook that you thought was quite possible such as in "he rolled the sky up like a scroll"...makes perfect sense if the stars are little twinkly things just out of bow and arrow reach. Or that "one third of the stars fell to the earth" again possible if the stars are little spots just over the clouds. or that the moon is a light, possible if you have the education of a 1st grader. Or of course my favorite that within the bowels of a 7900 diameter planet is a flying lizard capable of gathering one third of all the stars of the heavens in it's tail and flinging them to earth...why jesus that MUST be possible and makes perfect sense ........if yer a retard.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Well I don't think there is a difference between "raised atheist" and "raised without religion". But hey, if you some of you think there is, then... go at it :-D
To put it in a nutshell, I was raised to not care. It's not that I was an atheist or religious, I was neither. I just, didn't care.
I can relate. I remember clearly asking my dad about god when I was around 10. His answer? "I don't know, I don't think anybody knows, but it seems pretty doubtful." The only church we ever went to was the Unitarian church, which my parents took us to for a couple of years because of the free childcare.
My dad has always subscribed to magazines like New Scientist, Skeptic, and Nat Geo, which I also read. I regarded religion as suspect at best, but I really didn't care much.
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"To put it in a nutshell, I was raised to not care. It's not that I was an atheist or religious, I was neither. I just, didn't care.
I ain't buying it. Oh it's possible that your parents were complete morons, ignorant of all science, literature and common sense and thus you were raised to not "know" anything and then at some time some lovely girl (or boy) caught your eye and invited you to church where you, devoid of knowledge had your head filled with gobblygook that you thought was quite possible such as in "he rolled the sky up like a scroll"...makes perfect sense if the stars are little twinkly things just out of bow and arrow reach. Or that "one third of the stars fell to the earth" again possible if the stars are little spots just over the clouds. or that the moon is a light, possible if you have the education of a 1st grader. Or of course my favorite that within the bowels of a 7900 diameter planet is a flying lizard capable of gathering one third of all the stars of the heavens in it's tail and flinging them to earth...why jesus that MUST be possible and makes perfect sense ........if yer a retard.
It's also possible that you are every bit as ignorant of the various permutations of non-theistic upbringings as you rather arrogantly assume such parents must be, just as you appear to be abysmally ignorant of what most theists actually believe. Hint: poetic language.
Quote from: "Plu"Yeah, that's not being raised atheist anymore than your parents never raising you to play football is being raised "a-football-ist". Your parents simply didn't give you a religious upbringing. Atheism is the default you'll fall into, and the final stop for most people I know to have received that kind of upbringing.
What is the difference between not believing in god(s) and being an atheist? Is there some secret atheist handshake nobody told me about?
Both are atheists, there is no difference. There is merely the difference in paths to the goal; I don't call it "raised as" if there is no outside influence pushing one to the path. Someone who takes a personal interest in something is not raised for it. Someone who is pushed towards liking something is.
If your parents tell you there are no gods, you were raised atheist. If your parents told you to figure it out on your own and you decided there are no gods, you are still an atheist, but you weren't raised to be one.
Quote from: "Plu"Both are atheists, there is no difference. There is merely the difference in paths to the goal; I don't call it "raised as" if there is no outside influence pushing one to the path. Someone who takes a personal interest in something is not raised for it. Someone who is pushed towards liking something is.
If your parents tell you there are no gods, you were raised atheist. If your parents told you to figure it out on your own and you decided there are no gods, you are still an atheist, but you weren't raised to be one.
OK, that makes sense. Although I'd probably see the second as being raised agnostic, or possibly freethinking.
I'm not even convinced that telling your kids "there is no god" is necessary. "I don't believe in god" seems more honest, along with "there is no evidence for god." And if you want to toss in some information about confirmation bias and rational thought, so much the better.
One thing that bugs me nearly as much as pushy theists is atheists who treat atheism as if it were a belief system. In reality, not believing in gods doesn't guarantee that someone will be logical, rational, or woo-proof. Lots of neopagans and new-agers are atheistic, but they still believe in nonsense like chakras and crystal therapy and homeopathy. Buddhism is an atheistic religion (aside from a few fringe sects). One of my favorite videos about how very stupid people can be without any god-faith is Tim Minchin's beat poem, Storm:
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Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"To put it in a nutshell, I was raised to not care. It's not that I was an atheist or religious, I was neither. I just, didn't care.
I ain't buying it. Oh it's possible that your parents were complete morons, ignorant of all science, literature and common sense and thus you were raised to not "know" anything and then at some time some lovely girl (or boy) caught your eye and invited you to church where you, devoid of knowledge had your head filled with gobblygook that you thought was quite possible such as in "he rolled the sky up like a scroll"...makes perfect sense if the stars are little twinkly things just out of bow and arrow reach. Or that "one third of the stars fell to the earth" again possible if the stars are little spots just over the clouds. or that the moon is a light, possible if you have the education of a 1st grader. Or of course my favorite that within the bowels of a 7900 diameter planet is a flying lizard capable of gathering one third of all the stars of the heavens in it's tail and flinging them to earth...why jesus that MUST be possible and makes perfect sense ........if yer a retard.
It's also possible that you are every bit as ignorant of the various permutations of non-theistic upbringings as you rather arrogantly assume such parents must be, just as you appear to be abysmally ignorant of what most theists actually believe. Hint: poetic language.
hint: the sky is not water, the sky cannot be rolled up like a scroll and the earth cannot contain an animal of any kind that could gather a third of the stars and fling them to earth. If you find this problematic your use of three syllable words must be the work of your father looking over your shoulder as you type.
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Davka"It's also possible that you are every bit as ignorant of the various permutations of non-theistic upbringings as you rather arrogantly assume such parents must be, just as you appear to be abysmally ignorant of what most theists actually believe. Hint: poetic language.
hint: the sky is not water, the sky cannot be rolled up like a scroll and the earth cannot contain an animal of any kind that could gather a third of the stars and fling them to earth. If you find this problematic your use of three syllable words must be the work of your father looking over your shoulder as you type.
Hint: You are being a deliberately obtuse moron. Horses do not think it "queer" that their rider might choose to stop and wait at a particular location. Does this therefore mean that there is no meaning to the poem "stopping by woods on a snowy evening"?
You might want to take an English 101 course, paying particular attention to the concepts of "figures of speech," metaphor, simile, and allegory. If you are being driven nuts by something, does that mean that you are literally strapped into an automobile, being driven until you become a pile of pecans? When you type "fuck me!" do you actually intend to drop trou, grab your ankles, and hope I use vaseline?
Some theists believe literally in every word of the OT - or they
say they do, probably because they've never really read it through all that carefully. But most Christians take the stories in the OT as a mixture of literal and figurative language. The pretense that all who claim belief in the OT must therefore take all figures of speech in the OT as literal descriptions is merely a straw man.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons for rejecting the Wholly Babble, without stooping to logical fallacies to shore up your lack of faith.
QuoteThe pretense that all who claim belief in the OT must therefore take all figures of speech in the OT as literal descriptions is merely a straw man.
Sorry, but to allow them to make excuses for things previously believed to be the FUCKING WORD OF GOD and then proven not to be true, and still allow them to spout nonsense and to continue to grant them respect is the sign of a DIPSHIT. so........here's your sign.
edited to remove "FUCKING" from FUCKING DIPSHIT, my apologies for being an ass.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Hi.
Thought I'd come here, share a few things... 8-)
I'm a non-denominational commandment keeping christian. "Messianic Jew" for some... Same thing.
Eager to see what kind of people populate this forum.
Blessings
* touches * .....
I suppose you're alright. For now. But! I shall be watching. From over there! * gestures toward corner *
I call troll. 'Why rainbows?' Is such a retarded question I just can't see what value this chap will as to the forum.
Also 'evolution is as dogmatic as any religion' just screams 'I like to copy and paste from apologist websites'.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"I call troll. 'Why rainbows?' Is such a retarded question I just can't see what value this chap will as to the forum.
If you or anyone else want to see shin's worth as a poster, see what he wrote at the Atheist Think Tank or at Why Won't god Heal Amuptees? forums.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"I call troll. 'Why rainbows?' Is such a retarded question I just can't see what value this chap will as to the forum.
Also 'evolution is as dogmatic as any religion' just screams 'I like to copy and paste from apologist websites'.
Evolutionary theory and religion both make predictions. Religion calls them prophecies, and try to be as vague as possible, if they fail they make up excuses or say they haven't come true yet and they're waiting. Scientists make predictions that are detailed and well thought out, not vague in the least, when the predictions come to pass they retest and retest and retest to make sure they're right, then they add it into the pile of accepted science and keep retesting. If the science fails, they don't say they need to have faith that it'll one day happen, they just keep retesting it if it deserves retesting.
Oh wait, they're nothing alike.
Quote from: "stonecutter"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"I call troll. 'Why rainbows?' Is such a retarded question I just can't see what value this chap will as to the forum.
If you or anyone else want to see shin's worth as a poster, see what he wrote at the Atheist Think Tank or at Why Won't god Heal Amuptees? forums.
You have linkies? Saves a lot of searching. (Or summaries, if it's not worth actually looking into :P)
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"I call troll. 'Why rainbows?' Is such a retarded question I just can't see what value this chap will as to the forum.
If you think about it, it's not that retarded a question for someone that's never been exposed to the science of optics.
I can only guess that physics isn't something they teach in schools in France.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"I call troll. 'Why rainbows?' Is such a retarded question I just can't see what value this chap will as to the forum.
If you think about it, it's not that retarded a question for someone that's never been exposed to the science of optics.
It's a typical theist troll question. 'Why rainbows?' demands to know purpose, not cause. It's a cheap question begging fallacy that is worded to solicit a desired response to an absurd question: Specifically, to explain the event through the actions of a god. It cares not a fig about the scientific cause. It's purpose is to celebrate a superstitious world view that embraces the absurd, a world that hungers for absurd questions and happily accommodates them with absurd answers.
Quote from: "NitzWalsh"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"I call troll. 'Why rainbows?' Is such a retarded question I just can't see what value this chap will as to the forum.
Also 'evolution is as dogmatic as any religion' just screams 'I like to copy and paste from apologist websites'.
Evolutionary theory and religion both make predictions. Religion calls them prophecies, and try to be as vague as possible, if they fail they make up excuses or say they haven't come true yet and they're waiting. Scientists make predictions that are detailed and well thought out, not vague in the least, when the predictions come to pass they retest and retest and retest to make sure they're right, then they add it into the pile of accepted science and keep retesting. If the science fails, they don't say they need to have faith that it'll one day happen, they just keep retesting it if it deserves retesting.
Oh wait, they're nothing alike.
Exactly. Religious faith attempts to find ways that it is right, whereas science, and the scientific method, attempts to find ways that it is wrong.
I'm not sure "troll" is the correct description. "Missionary" is probably more accurate.
As to the questions he asked, you'll find all of these and more being posed rhetorically from pulpits around the world as "proof" that atheists just don't want to acknowledge god. Yes, they're stupid questions - but the average Christian is not particularly well-educated.
Quote from: "Davka"I'm not sure "troll" is the correct description. "Missionary" is probably more accurate.
"Missionary" is a set. Troll could be either a subset or an intersecting set. He could also be dull, which also could be a subset of missionary or may intersect with both the troll set and/or missionary set. Or dull could be a set with subsets, intersecting or not, of troll and/or missionary. It's very complicated. :-D
Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Well I don't think there is a difference between "raised atheist" and "raised without religion". But hey, if you some of you think there is, then... go at it :-D
To put it in a nutshell, I was raised to not care. It's not that I was an atheist or religious, I was neither. I just, didn't care.
I can relate. I remember clearly asking my dad about god when I was around 10. His answer? "I don't know, I don't think anybody knows, but it seems pretty doubtful." The only church we ever went to was the Unitarian church, which my parents took us to for a couple of years because of the free childcare.
My dad has always subscribed to magazines like New Scientist, Skeptic, and Nat Geo, which I also read. I regarded religion as suspect at best, but I really didn't care much.
I feel ya man.
Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"To put it in a nutshell, I was raised to not care. It's not that I was an atheist or religious, I was neither. I just, didn't care.
I ain't buying it. Oh it's possible that your parents were complete morons, ignorant of all science, literature and common sense and thus you were raised to not "know" anything and then at some time some lovely girl (or boy) caught your eye and invited you to church where you, devoid of knowledge had your head filled with gobblygook that you thought was quite possible such as in "he rolled the sky up like a scroll"...makes perfect sense if the stars are little twinkly things just out of bow and arrow reach. Or that "one third of the stars fell to the earth" again possible if the stars are little spots just over the clouds. or that the moon is a light, possible if you have the education of a 1st grader. Or of course my favorite that within the bowels of a 7900 diameter planet is a flying lizard capable of gathering one third of all the stars of the heavens in it's tail and flinging them to earth...why jesus that MUST be possible and makes perfect sense ........if yer a retard.
It's also possible that you are every bit as ignorant of the various permutations of non-theistic upbringings as you rather arrogantly assume such parents must be, just as you appear to be abysmally ignorant of what most theists actually believe. Hint: poetic language.
:rollin:
Quote from: "Davka"I'm not sure "troll" is the correct description. "Missionary" is probably more accurate.
Indeed. Are you the only smart one in this forum?
Quote from: "Davka"As to the questions he asked, you'll find all of these and more being posed rhetorically from pulpits around the world as "proof" that atheists just don't want to acknowledge god. Yes, they're stupid questions - but the average Christian is not particularly well-educated.
:cry: I was educated in the French system Lycées français which are ranked amongst the most rigorous and intellectual systems in all the world. :cry:
Btw guys... they are also renowned for their outright support of neo darwinism, so basically in my "science" books I was being fed the evolutionist/cave-man/4.5 billions of years old earth crap theories.
I am so uneducated... :cry:
Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Davka"I'm not sure "troll" is the correct description. "Missionary" is probably more accurate.
Indeed. Are you the only smart one in this forum?
Quote from: "Davka"As to the questions he asked, you'll find all of these and more being posed rhetorically from pulpits around the world as "proof" that atheists just don't want to acknowledge god. Yes, they're stupid questions - but the average Christian is not particularly well-educated.
:cry: I was educated in the French system Lycées français which are ranked amongst the most rigorous and intellectual systems in all the world. :cry:
Btw guys... they are also renowned for their outright support of neo darwinism, so basically in my "science" books I was being fed the evolutionist/cave-man/4.5 billions of years old earth crap theories.
I am so uneducated... :cry:
Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
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Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "Davka"I'm not sure "troll" is the correct description. "Missionary" is probably more accurate.
"Missionary" is a set. Troll could be either a subset or an intersecting set. He could also be dull, which also could be a subset of missionary or may intersect with both the troll set and/or missionary set. Or dull could be a set with subsets, intersecting or not, of troll and/or missionary. It's very complicated. :-D
I expect a Venn diagram, complete with footnotes and linked statistics.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
I'm sure this is what you tell yourself, but I sincerely doubt that it's true. Every single conversion story I've ever heard is a story of an emotional experience, not a rational decision. The study and rationality comes later, as a way of reinforcing what your gut tells you is real.
Be careful though. Serious study of the Bible in the original languages; Judaism in antiquity; Early Christianity; Church History and Biblical Archaeology will lead you further and further from evangelical Christianity. The Empirical evidence contradicts the faith. Keep going down that road and you'll end up like me: free.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Davka"I'm not sure "troll" is the correct description. "Missionary" is probably more accurate.
Indeed. Are you the only smart one in this forum?
Quote from: "Davka"As to the questions he asked, you'll find all of these and more being posed rhetorically from pulpits around the world as "proof" that atheists just don't want to acknowledge god. Yes, they're stupid questions - but the average Christian is not particularly well-educated.
:cry: I was educated in the French system Lycées français which are ranked amongst the most rigorous and intellectual systems in all the world. :cry:
Btw guys... they are also renowned for their outright support of neo darwinism, so basically in my "science" books I was being fed the evolutionist/cave-man/4.5 billions of years old earth crap theories.
I am so uneducated... :cry:
Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
Shees, what a waste of an education you turned out to be.
Well, Shin, as you don't know that macroevolution has been observed, that we have more transitional fossils than we could ever need, and that DNA has confirmed evolution in an as reliable fashion as a paternity test shows your papa - i.e. shimps be your cousin, son! It would appear that your educators did a poor job. Particularly for hardcore neo-darwinists.
What kinds of school doesn't even teach you how rainbows occur??? #-o
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Indeed. Are you the only smart one in this forum?
But tell me, why fucking rainbows? WHY?
A 4.5billion~ earth and evolution are 'crap' theories?
Indeed! Do tell, then, what are the highly evidenced and proven theories that you have to forward to us? I do enjoy being proven wrong on things, being a pragmatist, so please, enlighten us with your superior knowledge garnered from your superior education system.
Everyone, Shin has some information he'd like to impart about how wrong the entire basis of contemporary science is and I'm sure that you, like me, will enjoy reveling in the reflected glory of his clearly well researched and thought through, evidenced based theories that will be able to match the pinnacles reached by Darwin, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Dawkins, Hawking and so on and so on.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Morons using science to try to prove the great and omnipotent god that created such a vast universe....er......but..
[spoil:1iv3u08x]The Lord was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.[/spoil:1iv3u08x]
DOH!
That damn thing called common sense....
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Indeed. Are you the only smart one in this forum?
But tell me, why fucking rainbows? WHY?
A 4.5billion~ earth and evolution are 'crap' theories?
Indeed! Do tell, then, what are the highly evidenced and proven theories that you have to forward to us? I do enjoy being proven wrong on things, being a pragmatist, so please, enlighten us with your superior knowledge garnered from your superior education system.
Everyone, Shin has some information he'd like to impart about how wrong the entire basis of contemporary science is and I'm sure that you, like me, will enjoy reveling in the reflected glory of his clearly well researched and thought through, evidenced based theories that will be able to match the pinnacles reached by Darwin, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Dawkins, Hawking and so on and so on.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Sweet! :popcorn:
I am sorry but even that wont do. Even if Evolution and current cosmology was over turned tomorrow it does not mean another hypothesis that is unsupported by fact is now some how validated. I need proof for any other claims you want to insert.
Quote from: "Teaspoon Shallow"I am sorry but even that wont do. Even if Evolution and current cosmology was over turned tomorrow it does not mean another hypothesis that is unsupported by fact is now some how validated. I need proof for any other claims you want to insert.
Careful. You're moving into common sense level 2, and we need to break him in onto level 1 before we try anything more advanced.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
:rollin: Stop it. You're killing me!
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Careful. You're moving into common sense level 2, and we need to break him in onto level 1 before we try anything more advanced.
Ooppss. Should I have inserted a "Spoiler"?
[spoil:17vbq5mf]If there is no evidence then there is no reason to believe. 8-)[/spoil:17vbq5mf]
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
Have you considered you are doing it wrong? :wink:
Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
Serious study of the Bible in the original languages; Judaism in antiquity; Early Christianity; Church History and Biblical Archaeology will lead you further and further from evangelical Christianity. The Empirical evidence contradicts the faith. Keep going down that road and you'll end up like me: free.
:-D Perhaps, but I wouldn't bet on it. We'll see... :-D
I wouldn't bet on it either :P If you fall back from a proper scientific education to rejecting everything that actually works, you're probably a lost cause :D
But hey, you've already been the exception once, you could be one again.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
Serious study of the Bible in the original languages; Judaism in antiquity; Early Christianity; Church History and Biblical Archaeology will lead you further and further from evangelical Christianity. The Empirical evidence contradicts the faith. Keep going down that road and you'll end up like me: free.
:-D Perhaps, but I wouldn't bet on it. We'll see... :-D
One doesn't need SERIOUS study of the babble, a seventh grader can see the stupidity on its first reading.,,,sheesh what a apologist. Todays child can't get through genesis without the bullshit meter going off full bore.
So, Shin, how do you feel about how Judaism used to be a polytheist religion with plenty of god(s) and Yahweh was the son of the creator god El? They then gradually evolved into a monotheistic religion, but not because they didn't believe in the other gods, but because ONE king decided that they should celebrate only Yahweh and outlawed the rest.
This being not that many hundred years before the supposed arrival of Jesus.
All of this having a mountain of evidence to support it.
Doesn't that kinda kill your religion?
Well I don't know about you guys, but I am officially convinced. I am a convert. A believer.
I denounce my career as a scientist. It's all bullshit. I've seen the light! Hallelujah! WHY RAINBOWS INDEED!
Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "stonecutter"If you or anyone else want to see shin's worth as a poster, see what he wrote at the Atheist Think Tank or at Why Won't god Heal Amuptees? forums.
You have linkies? Saves a lot of searching. (Or summaries, if it's not worth actually looking into :P)
Here's a few threads I found with plenty of examples of shin's posting-
WWGHA:
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum ... 173.0.html (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24173.0.html)
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum ... 232.0.html (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24232.0.html)
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum ... 163.0.html (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24163.0.html)
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum ... 186.0.html (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24186.0.html)
ATT:
http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinkta ... ic=10622.0 (http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=10622.0)
http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinkta ... ic=10850.0 (http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=10850.0)
http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinkta ... ic=10669.0 (http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=10669.0)
http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinkta ... ic=10420.0 (http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=10420.0)
http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinkta ... ic=10837.0 (http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=10837.0)
There are many more at IGI :-D
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI":cry: I was educated in the French system Lycées français which are ranked amongst the most rigorous and intellectual systems in all the world. :cry:
butbut why rainbows?
Bet they didn't have an answer to dat one.
Quotethe most rigorous and intellectual systems in all the world.
and yet he/she/it believes the omnipotent, omniscient being, creator of the universe, the atom, the higgs boson, still was thwarted:
The Lord was with the men of Judah.. but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
...by mean ole humans
:rollin: :rollin:
what a tard..
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Oh that's the letter :shock: Ok then, ofc I know that letter but I was just making the point that my nick had nothing to do with the hebrew letter.
No. I wasn't raised jewish at all. I was raised atheist. I had nothing to do with Israel until only a few years ago.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"No but are you a catholic now? Idc about your upbringing. I too was raised catholic. What are you now? was the question...
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum ... 163.0.html (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24163.0.html)
:Hangman:
Our mate Shin has graced many a page with his questions. When presented with answers including references he ignores them only to proclaim victory by stumping the atheists.
I would suggest you don't waste your time with this demonstrably dishonest person.
"Making atheists cry since 1991"? How? Due to your sheer obtuseness and ignorance frustrating atheists?
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Talk about a logical next step : Raised atheist to the full » becomes a christian through study and use of rationality.
Serious study of the Bible in the original languages; Judaism in antiquity; Early Christianity; Church History and Biblical Archaeology will lead you further and further from evangelical Christianity. The Empirical evidence contradicts the faith. Keep going down that road and you'll end up like me: free.
:-D Perhaps, but I wouldn't bet on it. We'll see... :-D
You should start by studying Biblical Archaeology. Take a trip to Israel and volunteer on an archaeological dig. Ask a Biblical Archaeologist about the evidence for the Exodus, and for the conquering of the Promised Land under Joshua. Find a solid Christian believer (lots of Biblical Archaeologists are Christians) just to make sure that you're not being led astray by some godless scientist.
Then come back and tell us what you learned.
Catholic, Atheist, what's the difference? Shin can't tell! :lol:
:popcorn:
Quote from: "Teaspoon Shallow"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Oh that's the letter :shock: Ok then, ofc I know that letter but I was just making the point that my nick had nothing to do with the hebrew letter.
No. I wasn't raised jewish at all. I was raised atheist. I had nothing to do with Israel until only a few years ago.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"No but are you a catholic now? Idc about your upbringing. I too was raised catholic. What are you now? was the question...
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum ... 163.0.html (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24163.0.html)
:Hangman:
pfffffffthahahahahahahahahahahah
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"I hope this can contribute to a better image of my GOD in your minds. When I learned this truth, was the moment I was truly proud of the GOD I was serving. A God of Mercy!
I know that many believers and atheists alike have a picture of what the afterlife and hell look like - a place of eternal torment and pain. I have come to the conclusion that this is not so. Coming to the conclusion that hell is NOT a place of eternal suffering and torment, made me even more comfortable with the God that I serve.
What is the state of the dead?
Answer : Those who have died are currently sleeping in the grave, awaiting resurrection. This includes the wicked and upright, believers and unbelievers. Only babies and innocent children need not sleep in death, nor take part in the resurrection at the Last Day.
What is the fate of the wicked?
Answer : The unrepentant wicked, who reject the forgiveness and lordship of YahuShua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ), are cast into the Lake of Fire, & will be utterly destroyed and no longer exist.
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Shin's blog site says he is a male in Portugal. That's not exactly next door to France.
Quote from: "SvZurich"Shin's blog site says he is a male in Portugal. That's not exactly next door to France.
Yeah, he's pretty much a lying troll. I looked at his blog, it's nothing original or creative, just a bunch of links to other stuff.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"No but are you a catholic now? Idc about your upbringing. I too was raised catholic. What are you now? was the question...
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum ... #msg537846 (http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,24163.msg537846.html#msg537846)
And, boom. Blatant, outright, undeniable lying. This guy's a troll as well as an idiot.
Hahaha.
I see shin's dishonesty has been exposed and he has been revealed to be a fraud and a liar.
But still, I don't see any answers to why rainbows yet. I'm going to through my answer into the ring and say anal sex.
He might actually consider the Catholic church to be so false that he equates it with atheism, still wrong and dumb, but he might not consider that lying or contradictory.
Nah, he's full of shit. Equating catholisism with atheism requires a level of stupidity that'd render him unable to string together 3 coherent words on a keyboard. Even if he didn't consider it outright lying himself, he'd be totally useless to have around.
Quote from: "Plu"Nah, he's full of shit. Equating catholisism with atheism requires a level of stupidity that'd render him unable to string together 3 coherent words on a keyboard. Even if he didn't consider it outright lying himself, he'd be totally useless to have around.
I already consider him rather useless based on the level of his arguments.
Yeah but at least we could make fun of him, but now he's either doing it to be ridiculed (so we're giving him what he wants) or he's too dumb for me to feel comfortable poking fun at. :(
Hey, Shin, on top of page 2, I warned you we wouldn't cut you no slack. I expect you to be gone real soon now.
Welcome, Shin. I note you've made it to 8 pages on your intro thread without breaking into a rant, screed, or long copy-paste. If you're looking for a fresh start from your experience at other forums, you could do worse.
Quote from: "NitzWalsh"but he might not consider that lying or contradictory.
Finally. A smart one. =D>
Was waiting for someone else other than me to say this. Yes you are correct. I only went maybe like twice, since I had no choice, to a catholic church nearby my home in Bruxelles. I was like 6 or lower :/ If you consider that being raised catholic... :/ I think my parents were like, well at least let's show our son that there is this option called "religion". Little did they know that showing a kid a catholic church is the worst thing a parent can do. Even worse than telling them fairy tails(we came from a soup of molecules billions of years ago) at bed time.
Oh well...
But why rainbows?
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"But why rainbows?
Do you have an explanation for the existence of rainbows? I'm not talking about the phenomenon and it's chemical explanation, but it's reason for being.
If you know, I'd be glad to hear the answer.
Do you have a reason for the existance of dirt?
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"But why rainbows?
Do you have an explanation for the existence of rainbows? I'm not talking about the phenomenon and it's chemical explanation, but it's reason for being.
If you know, I'd be glad to hear the answer.
Do things need a reason to be?
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"But why rainbows?
Do you have an explanation for the existence of rainbows? I'm not talking about the phenomenon and it's chemical explanation, but it's reason for being.
If you know, I'd be glad to hear the answer.
The scientific explanation is the reason why rainbows exist.
I know you want the reason to be that your god critter put them there as a sign of the covenant that he made to never flood the entire Earth again. But since the actual evidence continually rejects the theistic claim that the Earth was once flooded in some global smiting, it kind of puts a hamper on that claim.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "NitzWalsh"but he might not consider that lying or contradictory.
Finally. A smart one. =D>
not cool [-X
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"But why rainbows?
Do you have an explanation for the existence of rainbows? I'm not talking about the phenomenon and it's chemical explanation, but it's reason for being.
If you know, I'd be glad to hear the answer.
Do things need a reason to be?
Did you just say that?? :shock:
Please do not remove that post nor edit it, so others can see it.
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I'm going to quote the image for appropriateness.
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But what's the "
raw" feeling from looking at a rainbow. :Hangman: MR, where are you hiding? Why don't you take this one.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "NitzWalsh"but he might not consider that lying or contradictory.
Finally. A smart one. =D>
So you lied to
them and were only misleading to us. Great.
Shin is obviously either a troll (in which case he should be banned) or mentally handicapped (in which case he should be spared the negativity as he's not responsible for the dumb shit he's saying). I say ban away.
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I'm going to quote the image for appropriateness.
damn straight ! :rollin:
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"But why rainbows?
Do you have an explanation for the existence of rainbows? I'm not talking about the phenomenon and it's chemical explanation, but it's reason for being.
If you know, I'd be glad to hear the answer.
Yes, actually. (//http://watchingtheworldwakeup.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-rainbow-works.html) Might be a little bit over your head, but it's worth a shot.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Jason78"Do things need a reason to be?
Did you just say that?? :shock:
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I did just say that and you didn't answer it. Why do things need a reason to be?
Quote from: "Jason78"I did just say that and you didn't answer it. Why do things need a reason to be?
apparently it thinks that everything has a reason which of course implies a reason for the reason and a maker of the reason for the reason. Could be it doesn't really think, just forwards these tricky and difficult questions to the borg out-post. I mean,why rainbows? Dats a tough one.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"But why rainbows?
Do you have an explanation for the existence of rainbows? I'm not talking about the phenomenon and it's chemical explanation, but it's reason for being.
If you know, I'd be glad to hear the answer.
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I mean, really, if you're being serious, you're a great argument against evolution, I'll admit. Nothing that works to breed adaption could produce a being so ridiculous and stupidly pointless.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Yes, actually. (//http://watchingtheworldwakeup.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-rainbow-works.html) Might be a little bit over your head, but it's worth a shot.
There's an answer. Will you ignore it? Probably. Will you disregard it as not answering your pathetic attempt at a question even if you don't? 100% positive.
Life is to short to waste time with folk such as yourself. I'm glad you're happy in your little ignorant world, though. It should mean you leave the rest of the world alone, but it doesn't, because you're a parasite, leaching on the resources and contributions of others and warping the reality we are seeking to understand by trying to take us backwards into ignorance. Congrats, you've actually become someone I hold in such low regard you're next to fucking dinosaur bones.
To everyone else: LDV's post above makes a good point. Either way, the guys only contribution here on this forum will be to our post count and to remind us that no matter how smart humans are, there's always some nut house escapee ruining it for the rest of us.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Jason78"Do things need a reason to be?
Did you just say that?? :shock:
Please do not remove that post nor edit it, so others can see it.
Yes, yes, whatever you do, don't answer the question. Just come up with something smartass to say because you don't have a fucking clue how to respond intelligently. He asked you a legitimate question. If you are going to act like there is an obvious answer to the question, don't be a wimp. Pony up, and provide it.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Do you have an explanation for the existence of rainbows? I'm not talking about the phenomenon and it's chemical explanation, but it's reason for being.
As someone else said, the chemical explanation IS the reason for its existence. That you might want there to be some spiritual feel good reason for it doesn't make it so. It is what it is.
Shin, do you realize that your God, if he exists, exists for no reason? He wasn't created for a purpose. He just is. You may say that he has purpose, to create the universe, or whatever. But, if that is the case, then He is creating his own purpose. He wasn't created for the purpose of creating a universe, as he wasn't created. Thus his existence has no *intrinsic* reason or purpose and whatever reason or purpose he has, he gave himself. But yet you reject the idea that we can give ourselves our own reason or purpose to exist, despite the fact that is necessarily the case for God.
Basically, I think your God exists - sort of. What you call God is a personification of the cosmos. I'm not a pantheist, I don't worship the cosmos or imagine that it has a mind or intent. But, the cosmos serves the purpose your God does. It exists for no purpose, but provided us with an origin. Exactly the same as your God if your God existed.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Jason78"Do things need a reason to be?
Did you just say that?? :shock:
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Why in the world would you consider this an odd thing to say?
Being is. Reasons are something humans make up to explain what we don't understand.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"....I only went maybe like twice, since I had no choice, to a catholic church nearby my home in Bruxelles. I was like 6 or lower :/ If you consider that being raised catholic... :/ .......
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"No but are you a catholic now? Idc about your upbringing. I too was raised catholic. What are you now? was the question...
Is going twice to a Catholic church when you were 6 or lower equivalent to being raised a Catholic?
By this logic I must be a cowboy because i have seen a few rodeos.
Why rainbows? Was refraction a divine intervention by you god? :-k I wonder what evidence that could be provided to make one believe that is true? Some are easily convinced. :rolleyes:
Quote from: "Teaspoon Shallow"Why rainbows? Was refraction a divine intervention by you god?
Don't be silly, rainbows only need two things, water vapor and light, so before the flood we obviously were missing one of those, so it either never rained prior or there was no light. Crazy anti-babblist...
One guy I know says that there was a water canopy over the earth and that plants grew because water misted from the ground.
Quote from: "NitzWalsh"One guy I know says that there was a water canopy over the earth and that plants grew because water misted from the ground.
Oh that makes sense. So there was no light then? :-k
Why rocks?
ah, of course water misted from the ground. My brother claims that as well. As for the water canopy, well that is exactly what the babble says the sky is, water.
I was watching an old episode of Rome the other night (from Showtime or HBO, I think). Two Romans soldiers are looking up at the night sky and one asks, "What do you think the stars are?" The other one replies, "They're holes in the dome over the Earth that let the light from Heaven show through." The first guy speculates some more, "Do you think they could be something else?" And the second guy turns his head and looks at him like he's an idiot.
I thought that was funny, but probably typical among the ancients.
Quote from: "SGOS"I was watching an old episode of Rome the other night (from Showtime or HBO, I think). Two Romans soldiers are looking up at the night sky and one asks, "What do you think the stars are?" The other one replies, "They're holes in the dome over the Earth that let the light from Heaven show through." The first guy speculates some more, "Do you think they could be something else?" And the second guy turns his head and looks at him like he's an idiot.
I thought that was funny, but probably typical among the ancients.
I Know that scene - laughed at it too - remember it exactly as you say. LMAO Classic!
(she who's easily entertained lol)
Exactly, I was watching ..er...Aggrippia or something like that, about the female librarian over the library of Alexander who was killed by early xians....anyhoo......one of the xian soldiers upon hearing the theory that the earth was round made the very simple observation. "what? if they are on the bottom what stops them from falling off?" And everyone kinda looked like it made absolute sense, which of course, it should have.
http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinkta ... ic=10694.0 (http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=10694.0)
This may have been posted already but if you missed it, this is full of giggles.
Shin doing ID a great service.
Could he be a Poe? :popcorn:
Quote from: "aitm"Exactly, I was watching ..er...Aggrippia or something like that, about the female librarian over the library of Alexander who was killed by early xians....anyhoo......one of the xian soldiers upon hearing the theory that the earth was round made the very simple observation. "what? if they are on the bottom what stops them from falling off?" And everyone kinda looked like it made absolute sense, which of course, it should have.
Hypatia was her name.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Jason78"Do things need a reason to be?
Did you just say that?? :shock:
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I did just say that and you didn't answer it. Why do things need a reason to be?
Why do they nearly always run away when you ask them a difficult question?
Quote from: "Jason78"Why do they nearly always run away when you ask them a difficult question?
They've never been exposed to hard questions.
And despite all the lies this guy has forwarded about having a good education (they teach you reasoning skills in most decent schools in Western Europe), I don't think he's ever going to answer you. He's just going to ignore you/deride you/ accuse you of being obtuse, when really he should be looking in the mirror and recognising his own faults.
"He who is without sin" and all that.
I like how he didn't deny he was a liar.
Almost showing some... honesty.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"They've never been exposed to hard questions.
Shin has though. And the answer he gave is pretty much the only answer he will give when a question hands him his own butt on a silver platter.
He's not worth keeping.
Quote from: "Jason78"Why do they nearly always run away when you ask them a difficult question?
Simple. They lack answers and they realize this. None of these theists (with brains) can be on this forum long enough and surf around that they don't figure out we've got'em by the short hairs. Thus............ they flee.
It's only the rare birds like StupidDave and now MR who continue to regurgitate the same basic question:
"Definite answer unknown therefore insert GodDidIt" and they go round and round and round till they finally get tired of the response:
"Unknown answer does NOT mean GodDidIt." GodDidIt is an assertion - Only. Always has been an assertion and always will be an assertion.
I honestly believe the smarter ones may come here and pose a question, realize (with our help) that they do not have answers. At that point unwilling to give up their faith - they decided to accept the unanswered and retain that faith. But to really do so - they must leave us.
........ what with knowledge and logic being the absolute enemies of faith and all. How could they stay here?
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Teaspoon Shallow"Why rainbows? Was refraction a divine intervention by you god?
Don't be silly, rainbows only need two things, water vapor and light, so before the flood we obviously were missing one of those, so it either never rained prior or there was no light. Crazy anti-babblist...
That's like saying that life is just some amino acids.
Sorry, won't cut it.
"The truth isn't good enough. Only things that confirm my previously held unfounded beliefs will do."
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "Jason78"Why do they nearly always run away when you ask them a difficult question?
when really he should be looking in the mirror and recognising his own faults.
You mean recognizing?? :-$
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"That's like saying that life is just some amino acids.
Sorry, won't cut it.
It's too bad that reality contradicts your presuppositions.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"That's like saying that life is just some amino acids.
Sorry, won't cut it.
Says the person who dodges every point sent to him. As I pointed out in my post yesterday, if your God does exist, He necessarily exists without reason. Thus defeating your argument that things must have reason to exist.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "Jason78"Why do they nearly always run away when you ask them a difficult question?
when really he should be looking in the mirror and recognising his own faults.
You mean recognizing?? :-$
Rarely do we go for spelling-Nazism around here. But you can act like a spelling ass if you really want to. Grand way to make friends and show how uber-smart you think you are.
You're brand spanking new, aren't you? Yeah........... that chip on the shoulder kind-of-new. It shows.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"when really he should be looking in the mirror and recognising his own faults.
You mean recognizing?? :-$
Rarely do we go for spelling-Nazism around here. But you can act like a spelling ass if you really want to. Grand way to make friends and show how uber-smart you think you are.
You're brand spanking new, aren't you? Yeah........... that chip on the shoulder kind-of-new. It shows.
Not only that, but both recognizing and recognising are correct depending on where you are... z in the USA, and s pretty much everywhere else.
But why [s:8ibarf63]the need for pooping[/s:8ibarf63] rainbows?
At least this explains the origin of butterflies...
[youtube:3kzoncr7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b47wP_yMCf4[/youtube:3kzoncr7]
Quote from: "Bibliofagus"But why [s:3pdfkwst]the need for pooping[/s:3pdfkwst] rainbows?
Who pooped?
Or are you just fed up with watching me type the word ''shit'' ? LOL Cause.........yes....... I use that word frequently. Mmmm wonder why (?)
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Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Grand way to make friends
What??
LOL are u serious?
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I'm not here to make friends, lady...
2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not yoke yourselves together in a team with unbelievers. For how can righteousness and lawlessness be partners? What fellowship does light have with darkness? 15 What harmony can there be between the Messiah and B'liya'al? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Bibliofagus"But why [s:1ujofgbj]the need for pooping[/s:1ujofgbj] rainbows?
Who pooped?
Or are you just fed up with watching me type the word ''shit'' ? LOL Cause.........yes....... I use that word frequently.
It's odd that in polite circles, poop should be less offensive than shit. When I hear the word "shit", I assume someone is just being crass, but when someone says poop, it conjures up a rather disgusting mental image that I would prefer not to have. Maybe it's just me. :-&
QuoteI'm not here to make friends, lady...
So why
are you here then? :)
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "Jason78"Why do they nearly always run away when you ask them a difficult question?
when really he should be looking in the mirror and recognising his own faults.
You mean recognizing?? :-$
Do I? Fairly sure I mean recognising, because, you know, that's how it's actually spelt. Maybe it's time to stop talking buddy?
'The day I'm corrected by a retard...'
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"I'm not here to make friends, lady...
2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not yoke yourselves together in a team with unbelievers. For how can righteousness and lawlessness be partners? What fellowship does light have with darkness? 15 What harmony can there be between the Messiah and B'liya'al? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
You consider yourself righteous? :rollin:
Oh so primitive text advises you are so...........:popcorn:
Why do you run from all these question Shin? Why wont you do the courtesy of answering questions directed at you? I see you do it on every forum I have seen you on. Do you lack the answers or the honesty or both? :-k
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Grand way to make friends
What??
LOL are u serious?
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I'm not here to make friends, lady...
2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not yoke yourselves together in a team with unbelievers. For how can righteousness and lawlessness be partners? What fellowship does light have with darkness? 15 What harmony can there be between the Messiah and B'liya'al? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
[moderator:1zufsqed]Then explain real fast why you
are here, and why I shouldn't just ban you right now for proselytizing, trolling, and/or general douchebaggery.[/moderator:1zufsqed]
^ To share my beliefs?? Isn't this what this forum is here for? :-s Is this a forum to make friends? Or is it a place for sharing ideas from various people around the globe??
How many christians are here? Are you gonna kick the only christian here? i.e. me
Yeah, kick all the christians. Stay and band together as unbelievers. U'll go far...
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"^ To share my beliefs?? Isn't this what this forum is here for? :-s Is this a forum to make friends? Or is it a place for sharing ideas from various people around the globe??
How many christians are here? Are you gonna kick the only christian here? i.e. me
Yeah, kick all the christians. Stay and band together as unbelievers. U'll go far...
I actually hope you don't get kicked. Your brand of dumb is entertaining.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"How many christians are here? Are you gonna kick the only christian here? i.e. me
Ah, typical Theist arrogance. Are you really the only Xian on this board? Martyr complex detected.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Yeah, kick all the christians. Stay and band together as unbelievers. U'll go far...
We've never done this, and this board has been around in one form or another for over a decade. It was just fine before you, and will be just fine if you leave. Nice straw man fallacy.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"^ To share my beliefs?? Isn't this what this forum is here for? :-s Is this a forum to make friends? Or is it a place for sharing ideas from various people around the globe??
How many christians are here? Are you gonna kick the only christian here? i.e. me
Yeah, kick all the christians. Stay and band together as unbelievers. U'll go far...
It's a forum to share ideas, sure, and make friends in the process.
The thing is, your ideas are laughable, and nobody is bound by any law to say "yeah, he's got something there". Well, technically it's true, it's just a big, stinking turd that even a child would
recognise to be a turd. Funny that you resort to 'woe be me' and 'Christians are hard done by' as well. Typical theist response that is universal to all folk who join here and have their childish beliefs rebutted by simple common sense.
Of course, this is going off the idea that you're serious and not a troll/POE. I'm yet to be convinced, or care enough, frankly. Like I said, fucking dinosaur bones.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"^ To share my beliefs?? Isn't this what this forum is here for?
FYI, I don't really think the banner saying that AtheistForums is a "community website for freethinkinkers, atheists, agnostics and believers" is accurate. This site isn't for believers. Believers are welcome if they don't piss us off. But, we certainly don't go out of our way to make believers warm and comfy.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Stay and band together as unbelievers. U'll go far...
For the record, while we aren't all that accomodating to believers, we put up with the likes of you far more than most Christian sites put up with us. By and large, Christian sites are very quick to ban nonbelievers that ask too many inconvenient questions.
Shin, are you going to respond to my points before you get banned? Nah...
Quote from: "caseagainstfaith"Shin, are you going to respond to my points before you get banned? Nah...
Of course he won't. He'd rather show how awful he is at spelling by telling someone they can't spell even when they can, else just make a silly remark about how difficult it is for him when nobody takes him seriously :rollin: :Hangman:
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"^ To share my beliefs?? Isn't this what this forum is here for?
You really haven't shared much of anything.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"^ To share my beliefs?? Isn't this what this forum is here for? :-s Is this a forum to make friends? Or is it a place for sharing ideas from various people around the globe??
How many christians are here? Are you gonna kick the only christian here? i.e. me
Yeah, kick all the christians. Stay and band together as unbelievers. U'll go far...
And that, plus this:
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"^Quote from: "Davka"I'm not sure "troll" is the correct description. "Missionary" is probably more accurate.
Indeed. Are you the only smart one in this forum?
with no reasonable arguments or backing and ignoring or mocking valid questions = proselytizing with no intelligent discourse. Rule #3 (//http://www.atheistforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=130). And as SGOS pointed out, you haven't really shared
anything so far.
We've had plenty of christians and other believers over the years. Most are hopelessly transparent in their intentions for being here. A few stick around and actually learn something. It's easy to stay here without getting banned, even for believers. It takes effort, usually intentional effort, to get banned. So far, you're treading a path worn deep by many who have come before you.
Quote from: "NitzWalsh"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"^ To share my beliefs?? Isn't this what this forum is here for? :-s Is this a forum to make friends? Or is it a place for sharing ideas from various people around the globe??
How many christians are here? Are you gonna kick the only christian here? i.e. me
Yeah, kick all the christians. Stay and band together as unbelievers. U'll go far...
I actually hope you don't get kicked. Your brand of dumb is entertaining.
Thx :-D
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Typical theist response that is universal to all folk who join here and have their childish beliefs rebutted by simple common sense.
?? :-s Where?
Quote from: "caseagainstfaith"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"^ To share my beliefs?? Isn't this what this forum is here for?
FYI, I don't really think the banner saying that AtheistForums is a "community website for freethinkinkers, atheists, agnostics and believers" is accurate. This site isn't for believers.
Exactly my point. Thx for confirming what I suspected.
[blink:btpgn3a0]Warning![/blink:btpgn3a0] Honest heathen found!
Warning!
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Exactly my point. Thx for confirming what I suspected.
I said basically as much in my first post to you top of page 2.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"[blink:3kvj7uic]Warning![/blink:3kvj7uic] Honest heathen found! Warning!
When you find someone honest that comes in "Christian" let us know...
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Typical theist response that is universal to all folk who join here and have their childish beliefs rebutted by simple common sense.
?? :-s Where?
Ok, you stated that macroevotion has never been observed, but it has, and that's common knowledge. Can you admit that you were wrong there? If you can't you are a liar and a troll, if you do recognize this well established and known fact we might take some more time to try to enlighten you about various topics you clearly know very little about.
Quote?? Where?
Everywhere. You don't have to realise it to be wrong. That's how the real world works. The fact that you ask questions that could be answered by children and then hide when we actually answer them, instead of just owning up to it and saying "hey, I learned something today" shows us that you know you've been refuted, you're just either too dumb to understand or a troll.
Either way; a waste of our time. It's a good thing we consider you amusing, I guess.
Honest? :rollin:
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Davka"I'm not sure "troll" is the correct description. "Missionary" is probably more accurate.
Indeed. Are you the only smart one in this forum?
OK, you consider yourself a missionary then. First, you're not very good at it, and second, you're in the wrong place. It will do you little good to tell us about the Bible. Most of us have read the Bible. Many of us are former Christians or Muslims. In fact, one of the most important reasons we have come to be atheists is through studying the holy texts from our former religions. Believe me we understand what these books say.
You would do better talking to natives of the Congo or New Guinea, where people have yet to learn about the Bible, are uneducated, and already predisposed to believing in magic. But here you have nothing to offer that we haven't already heard, tested with some logic, and rejected.
Did some supervisor send you here as a missionary, or are you on a self appointed quest to convert us?
Here's a question for you, since you seem to think it makes some kind of point.
[spoil:3adnofnr]
QuoteAs high as the sky is above the earth are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
[/spoil:3adnofnr]
exactly how high IS the sky?
Quote from: "La Dolce Vita"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Typical theist response that is universal to all folk who join here and have their childish beliefs rebutted by simple common sense.
?? :-s Where?
Ok, you stated that macroevotion has never been observed, but it has
It has?? :-s
If you say so. I mean, gee, why would anyone have reasons to doubt your statement right?
There's no reason to doubt his statement, because macro evolution has been observed countless times (//https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclient=psy-ab&q=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&oq=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&gs_l=hp.3..0i8i30.11554.15271.2.15545.14.13.0.0.0.3.158.1089.9j4.13.0...0.0...1c.1.7.psy-ab.iO6XCACQopg&pbx=1&fp=1&biw=1280&bih=919&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b)
Yup. You may have been severely mislead about evolution however.
One of the evolutionary LAWS is that you can never grow out of your ancestry, i.e. regardless how much you have evolved from one species you will still be that. Which is why humans are still mammals, apes, etc. Creationists lie, A LOT, it's all they can do. The only way they can counter evolution, which is perhaps the most verified scientific theory - far more so than the theory of gravity for example. Therefor, to dispute it, which the creationist seems to think will make their hupothesis likely (WTF?), they got to lie. Nothing but lies and dishonesty can make it look bad as we KNOW evolution is a fact. The fact of evolution is different from the theory of evolution however.
For example, the liars will often link evolusion with the emergence of life (abiogenesis) and the big bang - while evolution (on this planet) started long after life started to exist, and billions upon billions of years after the big bang. Their lies are many, and disgusting.
Quote from: "aitm"Here's a question for you, since you seem to think it makes some kind of point.
[spoil:1wqxyzl9]QuoteAs high as the sky is above the earth are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
[/spoil:1wqxyzl9]
exactly how high IS the sky?
Actually, it's infinitely high. 8-)
Must be all that second hand marijuana.
Quote from: "Plu"There's no reason to doubt his statement, because macro evolution has been observed countless times (//https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclient=psy-ab&q=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&oq=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&gs_l=hp.3..0i8i30.11554.15271.2.15545.14.13.0.0.0.3.158.1089.9j4.13.0...0.0...1c.1.7.psy-ab.iO6XCACQopg&pbx=1&fp=1&biw=1280&bih=919&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b)
A huge useless wall of text and a bunch of plant and fly pictures. Cool stuff. Now, please show me a pic of the giraffe that came from two dogs having sex.
Until then, you have jack squat.
*mod*- yeah, that answer is the winner- good bye idiot.-aitm
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Now, please show me a pic of the giraffe that came from two dogs having sex.
This has never happened, and if it did it would be evidence AGAINST evolution. I don't think anyone can be as ignorant as you, particularly when I just informed you about the creationists' lies. This is beyond clear and obvious trolling.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Plu"There's no reason to doubt his statement, because macro evolution has been observed countless times (//https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclient=psy-ab&q=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&oq=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&gs_l=hp.3..0i8i30.11554.15271.2.15545.14.13.0.0.0.3.158.1089.9j4.13.0...0.0...1c.1.7.psy-ab.iO6XCACQopg&pbx=1&fp=1&biw=1280&bih=919&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b)
A huge useless wall of text and a bunch of plant and fly pictures. Cool stuff. Now, please show me a pic of the giraffe that came from two dogs having sex.
Until then, you have jack squat.
You need to go take some biology classes. You're demonstrating that you know jack squat about how evolution works.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Plu"There's no reason to doubt his statement, because macro evolution has been observed countless times (//https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclient=psy-ab&q=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&oq=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&gs_l=hp.3..0i8i30.11554.15271.2.15545.14.13.0.0.0.3.158.1089.9j4.13.0...0.0...1c.1.7.psy-ab.iO6XCACQopg&pbx=1&fp=1&biw=1280&bih=919&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b)
A huge useless wall of text and a bunch of plant and fly pictures. Cool stuff. Now, please show me a pic of the giraffe that came from two dogs having sex.
Until then, you have jack squat.
If that would actually happen, it would be the most compelling argument
for your god I've ever seen.
Quote from: "NitzWalsh"Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Quote from: "Plu"There's no reason to doubt his statement, because macro evolution has been observed countless times (//https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclient=psy-ab&q=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&oq=examples+of+macroevolution+observed&gs_l=hp.3..0i8i30.11554.15271.2.15545.14.13.0.0.0.3.158.1089.9j4.13.0...0.0...1c.1.7.psy-ab.iO6XCACQopg&pbx=1&fp=1&biw=1280&bih=919&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b)
A huge useless wall of text and a bunch of plant and fly pictures. Cool stuff. Now, please show me a pic of the giraffe that came from two dogs having sex.
Until then, you have jack squat.
You need to go take some biology classes. You're demonstrating that you know jack squat about how evolution works.
Or that French schools suck worse than the ones in Dixieland.
It is no harder than simply looking the shit up on google. the fact that you choose not to educate yourself, set up any real debate, provide solid proof of your stance or answer responses in a meaningful way, leads me to think you have nothing better to do than be an irritant on here. Until you seriously challenge your own beliefs you will never be honest in them. Parroting all the creationist or whatever crap that we have all seen numerous times is pointless. Which means that as a person you are pointless.
Good riddance, shin. Please let the door hit you as hard as it can on your way out. :D/
lol
I like to give all the benefit of the doubt but the doubt in this case was 100% eliminated.
It becomes pointless trying to talk to people who will not honestly answer your questions once.
Good job admin.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"Now, please show me a pic of the giraffe that came from two dogs having sex.
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Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"A huge useless wall of text and a bunch of plant and fly pictures. Cool stuff. Now, please show me a pic of the giraffe that came from two dogs having sex.
Aw, gee, I'm sure you were *just about* to answer our questions, including mine. Gee, the mean ol' mods always do that, pull the plug just before a Creationist pulls out the stops and gives us all the goods. I guess the mods are too afraid of you!
Hey, Shit, uh, I mean Shin (I actually did typo "Shit" as I was typing that, LOL) goodbye, good riddance, and a hearty fuck you.
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"
A huge useless wall of text and a bunch of plant and fly pictures. Cool stuff. Now, please show me a pic of the giraffe that came from two dogs having sex.
Until then, you have jack squat.
*mod*- yeah, that answer is the winner- good bye idiot.-aitm[/quote]
Banable offense - giving snarky responses regarding Fidel's spelling. What a twat. Can't say I'm sorry to see this one go.
As for forum being for believers as well as non --- sure. Idiots with their heads up their ass? Not so much. It's not brain surgery, CeassingFaith, if someone has a bad attitude, won't answer questions and acts nasty towards forum members they've not going to last very long.
But someone doges questions put to him then tries to correct a forum member here? Yeah........... good plan. DerrDeeDurr Here's your sign.
for idgits who just cannot get along.........
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It's probably going to be a while before we see an idiot of that calibre again.
Quote from: "Davka"Quote from: "aitm"Here's a question for you, since you seem to think it makes some kind of point.
[spoil:3k195s5s]QuoteAs high as the sky is above the earth are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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exactly how high IS the sky?
Actually, it's infinitely high. 8-)
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I' m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"As for forum being for believers as well as non --- sure. Idiots with their heads up their ass? Not so much.
This right here.
We've had believers stay on here for a long time in the past, even serving as mods. Some, like our own Mr C., started out believers but asked questions honestly, took in the responses, and really looked at their own beliefs. This place is what you make of it. Come in acting like an arrogant douche talking down to the dirty heathens, it's probably not gonna turn out well.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"As for forum being for believers as well as non --- sure. Idiots with their heads up their ass? Not so much.
This right here.
We've had believers stay on here for a long time in the past, even serving as mods. Some, like our own Mr C., started out believers but asked questions honestly, took in the responses, and really looked at their own beliefs. This place is what you make of it. Come in acting like an arrogant douche talking down to the dirty heathens, it's probably not gonna turn out well.
I was still a polytheist (somewhat teetering) when I came here. A pretty strong determining factor for me? The humor.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon""Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I' m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
ROFLMFAO I never heard that quote before. Epic :rollin:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I was still a polytheist (somewhat teetering) when I came here. A pretty strong determining factor for me? The humor.
Quote from: "George Carlin""I'm having fun because I don't take it (life) seriously - the only things I care about are my family, friends, work and my lady, Sally. Philosophers for a long time have said 'why are we here?' - I'm here for the entertainment. If you're born in the world, you're given a ticket to the freak show; if you're born in America, you get a front row seat."
Words to live by.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I was still a polytheist (somewhat teetering) when I came here. A pretty strong determining factor for me? The humor.
Quote from: "George Carlin""I'm having fun because I don't take it (life) seriously - the only things I care about are my family, friends, work and my lady, Sally. Philosophers for a long time have said 'why are we here?' - I'm here for the entertainment. If you're born in the world, you're given a ticket to the freak show; if you're born in America, you get a front row seat."
Words to live by.
Good Call, Jason. Good call!
:-D =D> :wink:
I am going to miss Shin, if only because I found him a good example of how dumb a lot of theists are.
Look what I stumbled across on line. So fits our little spelling natzi.
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LMAO forgive me. could not resist
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"As for forum being for believers as well as non --- sure. Idiots with their heads up their ass? Not so much. It's not brain surgery, CeassingFaith, if someone has a bad attitude, won't answer questions and acts nasty towards forum members they've not going to last very long.
Fact of the matter is, we will put up with that a long longer from an atheist. Buckster lamented that we didn't ban Cybercommuter, and said something like, hey, if this guy was a theist, he'd be long gone.
But, more than that, this just isn't a place that I would call welcoming to theists. Sure, there have been some. Bark mentions we have had some theist mods. I don't really count Jason as he's certainly a non-traditional theist. Now there was the Christian guy, Romans. I admit I was quite surprised he was ever a mod. But, on the other hand, many people thought he was just as bad at evading questions as any other Christian and should have been banned, not made a mod. And, of note, he ain't been around in a long time now.
Let's be honest. Sure, some theists are exceptions to the rule and manage to stay around. But, those are the exceptions. This place is NOT welcoming to theists. Not that I say it should be. I don't think it should be. I just think that we should be honest about that fact.
Jesus Christ, you're a dipshit.
Cybercommuter did eventually get banned for talking about conspiracy theories. I have no idea what happened to Buckster, I haven't seen him in forever.
Quote from: "caseagainstfaith"Fact of the matter is, we will put up with that a long longer from an atheist. Buckster lamented that we didn't ban Cybercommuter, and said something like, hey, if this guy was a theist, he'd be long gone.
But, more than that, this just isn't a place that I would call welcoming to theists. Sure, there have been some. Bark mentions we have had some theist mods. I don't really count Jason as he's certainly a non-traditional theist. Now there was the Christian guy, Romans. I admit I was quite surprised he was ever a mod. But, on the other hand, many people thought he was just as bad at evading questions as any other Christian and should have been banned, not made a mod. And, of note, he ain't been around in a long time now.
Let's be honest. Sure, some theists are exceptions to the rule and manage to stay around. But, those are the exceptions. This place is NOT welcoming to theists. Not that I say it should be. I don't think it should be. I just think that we should be honest about that fact.
Fact of the matter is:
As for forum being for believers as well as non --- sure. Idiots with their heads up their ass? Not so much. It's not brain surgery, CeassingFaith, if someone has a bad attitude, won't answer questions and acts nasty towards forum members they've not going to last very long.I stand by what I said the first go around. LOL
and
we MAY just be saying the same thing...........eh? LOL
However, I don't think it's worthy of dwelling on that this forum isn't coddling theists. If we MUST dwell on it - then here you go:
Most of the time it doesn't really have much to do with theism or lack thereof, if you notice. But rather the ability to rationally discuss, take questions, honestly look to one's own personal beliefs (or lack thereof) and respond to other forum member's posts.
A person can be a theist up one side and down the other ALL day long........till the cows come home....... BUT If they can't answer questions put to them earnestly and prove that by getting all butthurt that they've been questioned in the first place- then they buy their ticket to ridicule right then and there. We've had atheists here who were shitheads and found their way to the door all the same.
A person has to buy the ticket to ridicule here. We don't just hand that stuff out for free.
:rollin:
Quote from: "_Xenu_"Cybercommuter did eventually get banned for talking about conspiracy theories. I have no idea what happened to Buckster, I haven't seen him in forever.
Actually, no Cyber didn't. He self-banned himself and changed his avatar. It was his way of saying "fuck you". Buckster actually did get banned.