Quote''This is what gamergate does, it is sort of like a final chapter of 2 decades of internet wars about thought, speech, culture and politics"
For those who don't know what gamergate is:
Here you have a 60 second resume of the start of it, it's been going on for more than a year now. Basically it was a scandal due to gaming media sites breaching journalistic ethics (writing articles about people they were in a relationship with) which they tried to deflect by calling the gamers misogynistic nerds because apparently calling out a developer in a romantic relationship with a media writer who mentioned her game in a positive light without disclosure of their relationship is shaming her for her sexual activities. And shit blew up because some popular internet feminists (anita ''games make you sexist'' sarkeesian) and "progressives" joined the shaming of all of those who dared to talk about it and there was mass deletion of comments and threads in 4chan and reddit. And all of the gaming news sites involved in breaches of ethics starting publishing articles slandering gamers and gamergate, many of their writers participated in a private mailing list where they discussed what they were gonna publish (which is a big no-no in journalistic ethics) They published various articles in their different websites in seemingly coordinated fashion (all in in the same day) about the death of the gamer identity because according to them they were all sexist white manchildren, they justified this by focusing on insults and threats in anonymous tweets without bothering with engaging the gamergate people making polite arguments. To combat the identity politics narrative GG create the #notyourshield hashtag where minorities would post photos of themselves and show their support for gamergate, despite this the gaming media and their allies doubled down on the GGers are all sexist white male nerds narrative. From there the issue just got bigger and bigger entering in other realms of politics and media, which is why some call it a culture war.
Gamergate is like the battle for Stalingrad in the world wide web war that has been raging since the internet went online and people entrenched themselves in IRC and usenet. Even when this battle dies down the war rages on and more and more armies join in. Many of which are veterans from previous internet shitshows like the atheism vs religion battles of 2006 where they fought in the great battle of creationism vs evolution in the young citadel of youtube and later on the civil war among atheists of elevatorgate and atheism plus.
The fun thing about gamergate , at least for me , is that it has shifted people away from the tribalism of left vs right, it is no longer about hating different ideas, but about defending the freedom of individuals to have and express this ideas and to fight off those who want to make you conform to their standard through censorship and shaming. It's rather like a battle of libertarians vs authoritarians. Those who value more individual freedom and those who value more "safety" or their perceived greater good that will come at the expense of your right to express yourself freely.
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I think the world wide web war is great it's like a huge grinder that mows everything down, no idea is sacred , ultimately if you know how to navigate it , if you have the right tools like science, skepticism, logic and reason. You can find purified gems of knowledge. It is a constant tension and conflict of ideas that shapes the evolution of your thoughts and can make you progress by exposition to new ideas and arguments that challenge you. Though obviously long and constant exposition is taxing so intervals of watching cute puppies and shit is advised.
The last 2 minutes of this video are pretty epic and a good summary of gamergate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3r0atokQvc&index=2&list=PLEbhOtC9klbAWet3KH7wWQ2mrhTRvxCGd
I have some news for you: NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT #GAMERSGATE ANYMORE. The whole movement was discredited a long time ago. So much for The Beta Uprising. God how I hate geel culture.
This video also summarizes the issue pretty quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gHJoi2hpWw
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 07, 2015, 09:28:38 PM
I have some news for you: NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT #GAMERSGATE ANYMORE. The whole movement was discredited a long time ago. So much for The Beta Uprising. God how I hate geel culture.
And here you have the SJW in his natural habitat attempting to use his shamming tactics to shut down ideas that trigger him. Sadly *it was not very effective*
Yes no one gives a shit about fighting off this censorious people right?
Oh what is this?:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/
http://8ch.net/boards.html
Oh shit look at those almost 8k recently active users and literally hundreds of thousands of members that all collectively agree that speech should not be censored because some tumblrites and SJW get offended and call disagreement harassment.
Quote from: mauricio on October 07, 2015, 09:44:14 PM
And here you have the SJW in his natural habitat attempting to use his shamming tactics to shut down ideas that trigger him. Sadly *it was not very effective*
Yes no one gives a shit about fighting off this censorious people right?
Oh what is this?:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/
http://8ch.net/boards.html
Oh shit look at those almost 8k recently active users and literally hundreds of thousands of members that all collectively agree that speech should not be censored because some tumblrites and SJW get offended and call disagreement harassment.
I can't believe that you are so pathetic that you compared some online hissy fit that some geeks are having (and no one else cares about) to the fucking Battle of Stalingrad. I mean really?
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 07, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
I can't believe that you are so pathetic that you compared some online hissy fit that some geeks are having (and no one else cares about) to the fucking Battle of Stalingrad. I mean really?
It's called humor, bruh. Why are you so uptight? Is it cause I showed your claim of no one giving a shit to be patently false? Might want to go to your nearest echochamber if you don't like being challenged.
I agree with Gamergate in principle, but in practice I don't really think it matters. Professional review sites haven't been relevant in nearly a decade: it's all about consumer reviews and Let's Plays these days. You want to know how I know that? Because I didn't hear about Gamergate until months had already gone by. The vast majority of gamers don't give a shit one way or another, and rightly so.
I guess I'm with CrucifyCindy on this one. Comparing Gamergate to the Battle of Stalingrad is just plain ridiculous.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on October 07, 2015, 10:16:11 PM
I agree with Gamergate in principle, but in practice I don't really think it matters. Professional review sites haven't been relevant in nearly a decade: it's all about consumer reviews and Let's Plays these days. You want to know how I know that? Because I didn't hear about Gamergate until months had already gone by. The vast majority of gamers don't give a shit one way or another, and rightly so.
I guess I'm with CrucifyCindy on this one. Comparing Gamergate to the Battle of Stalingrad is just plain ridiculous.
The battle with game journalists is pretty much over, almost no one gives a shit about them (there are some legal cases to be resolved left), you are right people like totalbiscuit and steam reviews are what gamers care about, but gamergate has evolved beyond that (actually it was since the start a multifaceted issue) as i explain in the OP. The whole war analogy was supposed to be absurd is a joke by means of hyperbole.
Quote from: mauricio on October 07, 2015, 10:28:59 PMThe battle with game journalists is pretty much over, almost no one gives a shit about them (there are some legal cases to be resolved left), you are right people like totalbiscuit and steam reviews are what gamers care about
Given the slew of articles from game journalists declaring the "death of the gamer", this is probably for the best. Not much of a loss, to be honest. However, it is unnerving to see this segment of the industry be so easily used by SJWs to broadcast whatever narrative they desire.
Relative to the original post ... the latest rumbling is that all the major nations including China and the Vatican agree ... everyone must have a State issued ID to use the Internet (an electronic picture ID card with PKI and PIN), and that nothing can be posted without prior approval of national authority or the OK of the Vatican. One giant BB run by anal retentive authoritarians. I have already seen the future, on some "heavily moderated" sites. Basically every post is an opportunity for libel ... so to prevent cross-legal-contamination of the web site, the web site must act as Gestapo in their own attempt to avoid legal entanglements.
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2015, 11:23:57 PM
Relative to the original post ... the latest rumbling is that all the major nations including China and the Vatican agree ... everyone must have a State issued ID to use the Internet (an electronic picture ID card with PKI and PIN), and that nothing can be posted without prior approval of national authority or the OK of the Vatican. One giant BB run by anal retentive authoritarians. I have already seen the future, on some "heavily moderated" sites. Basically every post is an opportunity for libel ... so to prevent cross-legal-contamination of the web site, the web site must act as Gestapo in their own attempt to avoid legal entanglements.
That's when you burn your ID and go all cyberpunk up this bitch. Off the grid browsing with tor on hacked wifi behind 9 proxies and with all my script blocking add-ons turned on.
Quote from: mauricio on October 07, 2015, 11:38:19 PM
That's when you burn your ID and go all cyberpunk up this bitch. Off the grid browsing with tor on hacked wifi behind 9 proxies and with all my script blocking add-ons turned on.
I bet you've spent a lot of time on 4chan.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 07, 2015, 09:28:38 PM
I have some news for you: NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT #GAMERSGATE ANYMORE. The whole movement was discredited a long time ago. So much for The Beta Uprising. God how I hate geel culture.
3 posts in a thread you apparently don't give a shit about. That's interesting, and there's only one page! Maybe you need to rethink your position of shit giving?
Quote from: hrdlr110 on October 08, 2015, 12:52:34 AM
3 posts in a thread you apparently don't give a shit about. That's interesting, and there's only one page! Maybe you need to rethink your position of shit giving?
I am just being entertained. I can't believe some people take this gamergate shit seriously. I mean do you guys seriously want to make this your issue? I find it hilarious.
Actually, I don't even know what it is. But that's 4 posts for you in this thread you don't give a shit about.
Quote from: hrdlr110 on October 08, 2015, 12:59:50 AM
Actually, I don't even know what it is. But that's 4 posts for you in this thread you don't give a shit about.
So you're keeping count? So what other things do you like to count?
Quote from: hrdlr110 on October 08, 2015, 12:59:50 AM
Actually, I don't even know what it is. But that's 4 posts for you in this thread you don't give a shit about.
Here you have a 60 second resume of the start of it, it's been going on for more than a year now. Basically it was a scandal due to gaming media sites breaching journalistic ethics (writing articles about people they were in a relationship with) which they tried to deflect by calling the gamers misogynistic nerds because apparently calling out a developer in a romantic relationship with a media writer who mentioned her game in a positive light without disclosure of their relationship is shaming her for her sexual activities. And shit blew up because some popular internet feminists (anita ''games make you sexist'' sarkeesian) and "progressives" joined the shaming of all of those who dared to talk about it and there was mass deletion of comments and threads in 4chan and reddit. And all of the gaming news sites involved in breaches of ethics starting publishing articles slandering gamers and gamergate, many of their writers participated in a private mailing list where they discussed what they were gonna publish (which is a big no-no in journalistic ethics) They published various articles in their different websites in seemingly coordinated fashion (all in in the same day) about the death of the gamer identity because according to them they were all sexist white manchildren, they justified this by focusing on insults and threats in anonymous tweets without bothering with engaging the gamergate people making polite arguments. To combat the identity politics narrative GG create the #notyourshield hashtag where minorities would post photos of themselves and show their support for gamergate, despite this the gaming media and their allies doubled down on the GGers are all sexist white male nerds narrative. From there the issue just got bigger and bigger entering in other realms of politics and media, which is why some call it a culture war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipcWm4B3EU4
And here is a timeline of events for those who want to contest the facts of it.
http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/336432/The-GamerGate-Chronicles/#vars!date=2014-08-29_13:20:15!
IDK, I (still) kinda like ZeroPunctuation, a gaming journalist, misanthropic reviews of games. Mainly because he's so funny in his all-encompassing derision of games.
Sounds interesting, sort of. I'm not a gamer, but still surprised I'm only hearing about this now. Will they make a movie about it one day?
I'm anti sarkeesian. About sums up my feels towards it. And about he sexualization of women in games? Done to guys and no one cares. No one bats an eye.
I love video games. I love sports, especially baseball. And that is why I don't give a rat's fart about gamer gate--or steroids use baseball. Give me my Fallout 4--I don't give a shit about the inner politics of how this was produced. I know that that kind of crap goes on everywhere, everywhen. I've seen it and lived it too often. Now, let me play my game----I block all that other shit.
In baseball cheating has been going on from the beginning. It will never end. Pro players play to win--and whatever enhances that is used. I don't want to study in detail who used what and how. Just not interested. Did A. Rod use PED's? Don't give a shit. He was an all time great player and I liked to watch him play.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 08, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
I'm anti sarkeesian. About sums up my feels towards it. And about he sexualization of women in games? Done to guys and no one cares. No one bats an eye.
sums up my feelings to. Here in the uk it took me a while to understand what the gamergate event was, but it turned out to be a load of repressive asshats disgusing there want to control people as equality. She really is the worst kind of cunt.
As someone who grew up with a love of games and comic books, I've enjoyed both genders in these genres, from Lara Croft to Raziel, from Storm to Wolverine, from Amaterasu to Snake, from Wonder Woman to Batman, All of them are strong characters in their respected roles and stories, and as a gay man there as never been this baleful cry about "THESE CHARACTERS NEED TO BE GAY OR I'M CALLING FOR THE UN COME DOWN ON YOU!" crap. Would I like more gay characters in these mediums, yes, of course, but that hasn't stopped me loving the characters in games and comics all the same just because I'd like to see more people of my own sexuality.
Sarkeesian is a misrable bitch who can't appreciate anything, she can't step out of her own shoes for five minutes and learn to just get adsorbed into the fictional worlds and stories that games make. Same goes for Zoe Quinn and all other people like them.
I'm only posting my shitless not giveashit thoughts on not giving a shit.
I seriously doubt that the rest of the non-gaming community really cares about it, but for me I give a shit daily to the Columbia South Carolina department of water and sewage ...usually around 10am.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 08, 2015, 01:17:21 PM
I'm only posting my shitless not giveashit thoughts on not giving a shit.
I seriously doubt that the rest of the non-gaming community really cares about it, but for me I give a shit daily to the Columbia South Carolina department of water and sewage ...usually around 10am.
is this before or after coffee?
LOL@ the thread.
I love Sarkeesian hurt boys. That woman is really getting to people. :lol:
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 08, 2015, 01:17:21 PM
I'm only posting my shitless not giveashit thoughts on not giving a shit.
I seriously doubt that the rest of the non-gaming community really cares about it, but for me I give a shit daily to the Columbia South Carolina department of water and sewage ...usually around 10am.
10 am??? Damn. And for Munch, I have my mug of coffee at about 5:30 am and follow up with giving a shit about 6:30. Rituals are just grand!
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 08, 2015, 09:48:05 AMI love video games. I love sports, especially baseball. And that is why I don't give a rat's fart about gamer gate--or steroids use baseball. Give me my Fallout 4--I don't give a shit about the inner politics of how this was produced. I know that that kind of crap goes on everywhere, everywhen. I've seen it and lived it too often. Now, let me play my game----I block all that other shit.
I agree, but these misguided social justice shitstorms do have the potential to harm games. The gaming subculture survived the moral crusaders from the right in the 90s, but we're not faring nearly as well against moral crusaders from the left in the 10s.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 01:41:39 PM
LOL@ the thread.
I love Sarkeesian hurt boys. That woman is really getting to people. :lol:
I never seen anything more silly that gmaergate. I just can't understand why some take it so seriously as if it was important. This is their issue! Not economic injustice, not starving kids or war but fucking videogames! And this all started with some geek getting all butthurt over his ex-girlfriend dating other people. This shit was ridiculous right from the beginning and it keeps getting more stupid and stupid has time goes on.
She's a bitch, always has been a bitch and is still a bitch tomorrow. She's just a loud bitch.
Maybe she needs to get laid
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 01:41:39 PM
LOL@ the thread.
I love Sarkeesian hurt boys. That woman is really getting to people. :lol:
Anita has been shown to be a compulsive liar, a media whore, and a rabble-rouser. she pretty much spins half truths or even full truths into an agenda she can use for her own. She doesn't play video games but makes jaring remarks about them being sexist or misogynistic, without even picking up a controller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afgtd8ZsXzI
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She makes shit up for attention and to market off of it.
DS, this is what surprises me though. Most gamers know she's a lying, conniving attention seeker who just wants to pocket off of what she does. She has all the hallmarks of a religious figurehead, someone who stands in front of a crowd of people, yelling a persecution complex, and gets peoples money from it.
Remind you of someone?
(http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/09/03/ap_220157184201_wide-1fd9fded94096af9f29dcf6a9633f711a5703954-s400-c85.jpg)
You are smarter then this to believe the shit Sarkeesian touts, using half truths to get attention.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 08, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
She's a bitch, always has been a bitch and is still a bitch tomorrow. She's just a loud bitch.
Maybe she needs to get laid
That's sexist, Grinning. Everyone knows that cisgendered sex and its reported influence on mood is a misogynist myth perpetrated by the patriarchy. Check your privilege.
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 02:42:44 PMMost gamers know she's a lying, conniving attention seeker who just wants to pocket off of what she does. She has all the hallmarks of a religious figurehead, someone who stands in front of a crowd of people, yelling a persecution complex, and gets peoples money from it.
Plus, she's a console peasant, which is equally bad, imho. :P
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 08, 2015, 02:46:21 PM
Plus, she's a console peasant, which is equally bad, imho. :P
The one that made me laugh the most was the story from the drunken peasents, where its head guy Ben was at a board game store for an event, not knowing Anita would be there, and then when she showed up he decided to take a picture just to show people she was there, resulting in her accusing him of harassing her.
http://theralphretort.com/anita-flips-out-over-someone-taking-her-picture-4013015/
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 08, 2015, 02:45:21 PM
That's sexist, Grinning. Everyone knows that cisgendered sex and its reported influence on mood is a misogynist myth perpetrated by the patriarchy. Check your privilege.
Shhh the peasants aren't supposed to know, you saw how bad it was when the serfs got the ability to read
I actually don't give a damn what Anita Sarkeesian says. What she is saying does not belong to her as an idea and has been researched and still are. And no she doesn't remind me Kim Davis.
You are also describing EVERY celebrity, public figure, politician that decideds for out futures and lives.
My problem is the masive hatred shown, death and rape threats thrown to some woman who is expressing her opinions about something. I don't care what it is. Again, this subject DOES NOT BELONG TO HER. I wrote this several times in last 3 years.
And most people do not hate her because what kind of a person they believe she is, BUT just because they hate what she is saying about their video games. This is fucking ridiculous. She doesn't have to pick a controller or even play one game all her life. She has a right to rant or get loud about something she doesn't like. Like we do here all the time.
We spend our time here about how getting offended by opinions is a religious thing in nature, how primitive and disgusting it is. That woman is HATED because she COMMITED BLASPHEMY to the male gaming society.
So hate her guts, do whatever you want, BUT please see it as what it is.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 08, 2015, 02:21:15 PM
I never seen anything more silly that gmaergate. I just can't understand why some take it so seriously as if it was important. This is their issue! Not economic injustice, not starving kids or war but fucking videogames!
I love video games very much, but I agree with you.
QuoteAnd this all started with some geek getting all butthurt over his ex-girlfriend dating other people. This shit was ridiculous right from the beginning and it keeps getting more stupid and stupid has time goes on.
Seriously? LOOL. So this could even be made in to some movie?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
I actually don't give a damn what Anita Sarkeesian says. What she is saying does not belong to her as an idea and has been researched and still are. And no she doesn't remind me Kim Davis.
You are also describing EVERY celebrity, public figure, politician that decideds for out futures and lives.
My problem is the masive hatred shown, death and rape threats thrown to some woman who is expressing her opinions about something. I don't care what it is. Again, this subject DOES NOT BELONG TO HER. I wrote this several times in last 3 years.
And most people do not hate her because what kind of a person they believe she is, BUT just because they hate what she is saying about their video games. This is fucking ridiculous. She doesn't have to pick a controller or even play one game all her life. She has a right to rant or get loud about something she doesn't like. Like we do here all the time.
We spend our time here about how getting offended by opinions is a religious thing in nature, how primitive and disgusting it is. That woman is HATED because she COMMITED BLASPHEMY to the male gaming society.
So hate her guts, do whatever you want, BUT please see it as what it is.
Shoezie I understand and respect people's right to stand for what they believe in, you know that. You and I have argued and agreed on that. What I don't like is always being vilified for what I am. I'm a white guy and I get flak for that, I'm an atheist and I get death threats for that, I'm bi and I'm hated for that, I'm male and I'm hates for that, I'm American and I'm hated for that. That's what I deal with on a daily basis
Not to mention I'm a brony, I'm a hockey fan, I'm of German descent, my birthday is on hitlers birthday. And I'm not the most attractive guy in the world
I'm a gamer, it keeps me happy, it makes me sane. Ifs what I use to keep my depression and shit in check. I can drift into a story or strategy or another world for a while and be happy because I'm not dealing with all that shit.
Sarkesian attacked my hobby and my lifestyle with reckless abandon and refuses to even admit that men are sexualized too, focusing on only the "mislgynistic and sexist video game industry"
You're damn right I hate her, you're damn right I would punch her in the face. Because like countless others she attacked me for being what I am, and attacked the one thing that always makes me happy. So fuck her and her cohorts. And fuck the people who fan the flames of her anger. Because she was in the wrong with how she did things, because I'd she was attsxk sexualixation she shouldn't have segregated it like she did
But she did, and that's how it started
So please don't think I'm attackinf you or feminism, I'm attacking the fact that I'm attacked very day for having a dick and balls while being white geeky atheistic and bi. I will not allow being a gamer to be added to that list
Quote from: hrdlr110 on October 08, 2015, 09:03:43 AM
Sounds interesting, sort of. I'm not a gamer, but still surprised I'm only hearing about this now. Will they make a movie about it one day?
Law and order SVU made a hilarious episode "ripped from the headlines" about it , that basically compounded all the hyperbolic and sensationalist headlines of the hitpieces done on GG. The episode ended being so ridiculous no one took it seriously, but it sure is funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEg7qjFcGXw
Ranting about something is one thing, but lying about it, spinning it as truth, and getting countless sheeple to follow her is dangerous, as it would be with religion, something I know you agree is a problem when it comes to people on mass.
She doesn't just rant, I've seen ranting on youtube all the time, she stirs the pot and gets people to follow her on those lies she spins. That might have been a non issue, if she wasn't bleeding money from clueless sheeple, and speaking at the UN as if she has a clue about the world around her, using the lies she used to get to that position that allowed her to be there.
Just because a few psychoic gamers throw death threats at her doesn't mean that is any kind of standard, yet she's the one spinning all gamers in that same light because of those few that did, and using that as her front for attacking a genre she doesn't even give a shit about. So many active gaming feminists themselves have come forward and said she's full of shit.
http://actually-disabled.tumblr.com/post/104393128244/im-a-female-gamer-and-this-is-why-i-hate-anita
I would ask you to see her for what she is. I'm well aware of the overly aggressive nature of some gamers, both male and female, in the genre. But as a gay man, I have never once called for the genre to be broken apart and made from the ground up again to combat prejudice against gay gamers.
And plus, I actually play games, unlike Anita.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 08, 2015, 09:48:05 AM
I love video games. I love sports, especially baseball. And that is why I don't give a rat's fart about gamer gate--or steroids use baseball. Give me my Fallout 4--I don't give a shit about the inner politics of how this was produced. I know that that kind of crap goes on everywhere, everywhen. I've seen it and lived it too often. Now, let me play my game----I block all that other shit.
In baseball cheating has been going on from the beginning. It will never end. Pro players play to win--and whatever enhances that is used. I don't want to study in detail who used what and how. Just not interested. Did A. Rod use PED's? Don't give a shit. He was an all time great player and I liked to watch him play.
Gamergate is more about people claiming there's a sexism problem in the gaming community (and that we don't want woman in our boys club hur dur) without evidence, and saying how running over hookers in GTA makes you more sexist. This people are useful idiots for the politicians and the like to push censorious policy, recently anita sarkeesian and zoe quinn went to the UN to whine about cyberviolence (including things like calling her a liar and that she sucked) asking for systemic changes to deal with this "issue".
Quote from: mauricio on October 08, 2015, 03:27:41 PM
Gamergate is more about people claiming there's a sexism problem in the gaming community (and that we don't want woman in our boys club hur dur) without evidence, and saying how running over hookers in GTA makes you more sexist. This people are useful idiots for the politicians and the like to push censorious policy, recently anita sarkeesian and zoe quinn went to the UN to whine about cyberviolence (including things like calling her a liar and that she sucked) asking for systemic changes to deal with this "issue".
When the fact you can run over anyone in GTA, and all anita focuses on is the women you run over, I should feel vilified because she doesn't acknowledge my sex as being a victim, now i'm going to go cry in the corner while eating icecream. Fuck you Anita you made me fat!
but yeah, seriously, she's using spin in an attempt to gain focus and attention for something she doesn't want to even discuss with people, she just wants the world to change for her without listening to anyone.
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 03:30:37 PM
But yeah, seriously, she's using spin in an attempt to gain focus and attention for something she doesn't want to even discuss with people, she just wants the world to change for her without listening to anyone.
Yeah that fact that she refuses to respond to any valid criticism and always disables comments and ratings on her videos is pretty telling, same strategy as some creationists youtubers.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxcuYwVCEAAONMQ.jpg)
listen and believe indeed.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 08, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
Shoezie I understand and respect people's right to stand for what they believe in, you know that. You and I have argued and agreed on that. What I don't like is always being vilified for what I am. I'm a white guy and I get flak for that, I'm an atheist and I get death threats for that, I'm bi and I'm hated for that, I'm male and I'm hates for that, I'm American and I'm hated for that. That's what I deal with on a daily basis
Not to mention I'm a brony, I'm a hockey fan, I'm of German descent, my birthday is on hitlers birthday. And I'm not the most attractive guy in the world
I'm a gamer, it keeps me happy, it makes me sane. Ifs what I use to keep my depression and shit in check. I can drift into a story or strategy or another world for a while and be happy because I'm not dealing with all that shit.
Sarkesian attacked my hobby and my lifestyle with reckless abandon and refuses to even admit that men are sexualized too, focusing on only the "mislgynistic and sexist video game industry"
You're damn right I hate her, you're damn right I would punch her in the face. Because like countless others she attacked me for being what I am, and attacked the one thing that always makes me happy. So fuck her and her cohorts. And fuck the people who fan the flames of her anger. Because she was in the wrong with how she did things, because I'd she was attsxk sexualixation she shouldn't have segregated it like she did
But she did, and that's how it started
So please don't think I'm attackinf you or feminism, I'm attacking the fact that I'm attacked very day for having a dick and balls while being white geeky atheistic and bi. I will not allow being a gamer to be added to that list
I don't think you are attacking me. I don't think you are attacking feminism. But attack it all you want. It's your right and opinion. And mine are mine. Just please don't get annoyed with me when I respond to it. Get annoyed with the AF poster. That is my problem writing to you here. We have a weird relationship, lol.
What I think about that rest you wrote is something else. I worry about you. Because I know first hand that hate, anger and frustration that will harm you. Badly. Do you think I don't understand what you are saying? This is one of the place many people would get you. We are all in the same situation in different ways.
Well, this is not a good place to talk about all this. All I want to say is, you are percieving everything in a heightened way and make a big deal ot of it. And it is not as bad it seems with your identity or situation. You need to keep it light kiddo. Keep it light and real. It's not worth it, trust me.
I live in a world where every word is taken and twisted and I have to fight all the time, I'm sorry if it seems like I take things too far and I know I do. It's just weird
We do but I like us where we are, weird little family
Quote from: mauricio on October 08, 2015, 03:21:30 PM
The episode ended being so ridiculous no one took it seriously, but it sure is funny.
Much like the geeks who associate themselves with gamergate
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 03:25:22 PM
Ranting about something is one thing, but lying about it, spinning it as truth, and getting countless sheeple to follow her is dangerous, as it would be with religion, something I know you agree is a problem when it comes to people on mass.
She doesn't just rant, I've seen ranting on youtube all the time, she stirs the pot and gets people to follow her on those lies she spins. That might have been a non issue, if she wasn't bleeding money from clueless sheeple, and speaking at the UN as if she has a clue about the world around her, using the lies she used to get to that position that allowed her to be there.
Just because a few psychoic gamers throw death threats at her doesn't mean that is any kind of standard, yet she's the one spinning all gamers in that same light because of those few that did, and using that as her front for attacking a genre she doesn't even give a shit about. So many active gaming feminists themselves have come forward and said she's full of shit.
http://actually-disabled.tumblr.com/post/104393128244/im-a-female-gamer-and-this-is-why-i-hate-anita
I would ask you to see her for what she is. I'm well aware of the overly aggressive nature of some gamers, both male and female, in the genre. But as a gay man, I have never once called for the genre to be broken apart and made from the ground up again to combat prejudice against gay gamers.
And plus, I actually play games, unlike Anita.
Munch, guys, this is crazy. If this is the case and what you feel WHY are you even watching her videos? How ever you look at it, this is made into something ridiculously out of proportion. And you seem like you made her the objection of your hatred. Don't you think this is silly?
By the way, not to be the party pooper but there will be a lot of change in video games in this sense in coming decades -I defined that as Anita standards in another thread to pull chains, I'll take that back lol- it is easily seen from now. She won't be the reason, probably not as organised and sterilised as she desires. It will be slow but end up much different than what they are now. because this is what system does. Tries to sterilise the fiction of whatever it cannot fix.
Anyway, you shouldn't make this or her this much of a big deal. Because it is ridiculous.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 08, 2015, 03:57:41 PM
Much like the geeks who associate themselves with gamergate
I get it. You don't like gamers. That's cool. You don't like men, I understand. You like going down on women, I do too, I commend you on that choice.
Shut the fuck up.
You're being a bigger bitch than the chosen bitch proclaimed but he ancient sages of bitchdom on the mountain of bitch two thousand years ago
Shut up
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 03:47:15 PM
And most people do not hate her because what kind of a person they believe she is, BUT just because they hate what she is saying about their video games. This is fucking ridiculous. She doesn't have to pick a controller or even play one game all her life. She has a right to rant or get loud about something she doesn't like. Like we do here all the time.
First this has nothing to do with her right to speak her mind, he can spew as much bullshit as she wants and i will refute her. People do not like her not just because she's targeting games, but because her criticism is utter bullshit, she hardly ever cites any evidence to back up her claims even when she promised to use the thousands of dollars she got for extensive research and has proclaimed herself as an expert on the topic.
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*B6kHnPIB_xP5_oMnq48pXQ.jpeg)
Shes a charlatan as simple as that. That's why she gets hate which is completely meaningless since it is all internet shit flinging that everyone else gets too. I have been told to kill myself, threatened to kill me or harm my family all that shit. And i know it is all meaningless because it is some internet though guy that is just mad because i just proved him wrong or beat him in a game. But if you are a person with a big platform and target a massive group of people by saying a bunch of stupid shit, yeah you are gonna get a lot of responses ranging from rambling insults to pretty eloquent refutations. But trying to characterize all this responses as harassment and claim that proves your point, while disregarding the valid ones is pure charlatanry.
http://techraptor.net/content/gamergate-really-analysis-twitter-hashtag
Here you have 2 data analysis that show that only a extreme minority of the tweets on the gamergate hashtag are harassment or threats
Change happens over time and it happens use to shifting ideologies that are part of society. This is why people in the west look at the way people in the middle east behave with things like forced marriage, underaged sex and other similar things with disgust, because the western world as progressed over time, slowly, but reaching a point where it can look at whats happening there and feel disgust from it.
But people like anita aren't prepared to let things happen over time, she doesn't want to go with the flow and level things develop, she wants the world to change for her instead of giving a shit about anyone else. Men are not going to change overnight in a snap, it happens slowly, the same way women have grown in power and influence, slowly, over time.
What makes it a big deal is when you have her speaking in public places and getting people to follow her, despite knowing full well she's bullshitting them. It is the same way I feel about preachers convincing all Christians that god wants them to condemn homosexuals, the same way Islamic preachers demand women be treated like cattle. They are all liars and rabble rousers who want to control people, and for that reason I despise people like Anita.
I'm gay, I'm a gamer, I'm white and I'm a man. I hold people with contempt if they choose to attack people for what they are, as opposed to what they believe.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 08, 2015, 04:09:25 PM
I get it. You don't like gamers. That's cool. You don't like men, I understand. You like going down on women, I do too, I commend you on that choice.
Shut the fuck up.
You're being a bigger bitch than the chosen bitch proclaimed but he ancient sages of bitchdom on the mountain of bitch two thousand years ago
Shut up
What are you doing, GYMIR?
This can't be about her or gaming or Anita Sarkeesian, you know that right?
Stop acting like an asshole.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 04:13:04 PM
What are you doing, GYMIR?
This can't be about her or gaming or Anita Sarkeesian, you know that right?
Stop acting like an asshole.
this girl has been bitching at me ever since I met her and has downed everything I stand for and continued to make herself out to be superior
I'm tired of just letting that happen
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 04:12:54 PM
Change happens over time and it happens use to shifting ideologies that are part of society. This is why people in the west look at the way people in the middle east behave with things like forced marriage, underaged sex and other similar things with disgust, because the western world as progressed over time, slowly, but reaching a point where it can look at whats happening there and feel disgust from it.
But people like anita aren't prepared to let things happen over time, she doesn't want to go with the flow and level things develop, she wants the world to change for her instead of giving a shit about anyone else. Men are not going to change overnight in a snap, it happens slowly, the same way women have grown in power and influence, slowly, over time.
What makes it a big deal is when you have her speaking in public places and getting people to follow her, despite knowing full well she's bullshitting them. It is the same way I feel about preachers convincing all Christians that god wants them to condemn homosexuals, the same way Islamic preachers demand women be treated like cattle. They are all liars and rabble rousers who want to control people, and for that reason I despise people like Anita.
I agree with you about how change happens.
However, people are free to follow/listen whoever they want, Munch. We cannot stop them. If we try to do something like that then we fall into the situation of the groups you described.
But then there is also another reality that without conflict or without people making a shitstorm nothing happens.
You guys are too angry and too much full of hatred to talk about this. Calm down, it is not healthy.
By the way, I was talking about something else with change in video games. It will be related to political issues I think. At least start like that. Nothing good.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 04:13:04 PM
What are you doing, GYMIR?
This can't be about her or gaming or Anita Sarkeesian, you know that right?
Stop acting like an asshole.
Lmao so hes acting like an asshole? when cindy has been whining and attacking the person rather than the argument since the start of this thread and in other places, hes just paying her with the same coin.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 04:22:55 PM
You guys are too angry and too much full of hatred to talk about this. Calm down, it is not healthy.
You keep saying that, i guess your mind reading skills really are incredible, or maybe you are extrapolating hatred from criticism? So i guess you also hate us when you criticize our young male boys club attitude?
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 08, 2015, 04:15:36 PM
this girl has been bitching at me ever since I met her and has downed everything I stand for and continued to make herself out to be superior
I'm tired of just letting that happen
You have met her somewhere? Because we are in a public internet forum. It's not like you cannot avoid her.
And this is going to end when you all call her bitch and tell her shut the fuck up? What are you doing guys? May be you should learn to give the right reactions at the right time before getting aggravated too much to explode.
I don't know the background of this, but even if you were right about something, now you are the offensive one. And you guys usually tell me to cool down. :lol:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 04:32:22 PM
You have met her somewhere? Because we are in a public internet forum. It's not like you cannot avoid her.
And this is going to end when you all call her bitch and tell her shut the fuck up? What are you doing guys? May be you should learn to give the right reactions at the right time before getting aggravated too much to explode.
I don't know the background of this, but even if you were right about something, now you are the offensive one. And you guys usually tell me to cool down. :lol:
You know what I mean, its like she purposefully picks on us and acts put out when one of us fires back
Quote from: mauricio on October 08, 2015, 03:27:41 PM
Gamergate is more about people claiming there's a sexism problem in the gaming community (and that we don't want woman in our boys club hur dur) without evidence, and saying how running over hookers in GTA makes you more sexist. This people are useful idiots for the politicians and the like to push censorious policy, recently anita sarkeesian and zoe quinn went to the UN to whine about cyberviolence (including things like calling her a liar and that she sucked) asking for systemic changes to deal with this "issue".
I figured it was some such crap. I police myself with games. Prior to buying one, I do research to see if I would object to some stuff in it. That's why I don't play GTA. There are plenty of other games I like--and there are only so many hrs in a day to play anyway. The Skyrim mods on Steam drive me nuts sometimes. Not the mods themselves, but people's reactions to them. It is not unusual for a mod that gives women big boobs to get lots of unfavorable comments. Why? If you don't like the mod don't download it. Simple. The same with games, in general. If it offends you don't play it. (Yes, there are extreme examples of games that just should not exist--but those are rare)
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 08, 2015, 04:36:27 PM
You know what I mean, its like she purposefully picks on us and acts put out when one of us fires back
OK. I am not following all the conversations. I'm just saying this probably wouldn't work.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 04:40:15 PM
OK. I am not following all the conversations. I'm just saying this probably wouldn't work.
Even if it doesn't it felt good to say
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 03:16:02 PM
I love video games very much, but I agree with you.
Seriously? LOOL. So this could even be made in to some movie?
I am not kidding, that is how it all started.
Here is a brief summary of Gamergate via Rational Wiki:
Here is the briefest possible summary:
- Video game designer breaks up with her boyfriend.
- He posts bitter screed about her, hoping to use the Internet as his personal army.
- Internet Hate Machineâ,,¢ obliges.
- Peoples' privacy destroyed, lives ruined, careers in gaming industry ended..
- Ensuing vitriol and attempts to control the mess fuels massive flame war.
- MRAs, reactionaries, neoreactionaries, anti-progressives, anti-feminists, and other groups that hate the current direction of the Culture Wars (plus disgraced game developers) co-opt the whole mess.
- Everyone sane realizes how shitty everything that just happened was, tries to stop it.
Rational Wiki on Gamegate (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate#Brief_summary)
Silly isn't it?
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 08, 2015, 04:39:59 PM
I figured it was some such crap. I police myself with games. Prior to buying one, I do research to see if I would object to some stuff in it. That's why I don't play GTA. There are plenty of other games I like--and there are only so many hrs in a day to play anyway. The Skyrim mods on Steam drive me nuts sometimes. Not the mods themselves, but people's reactions to them. It is not unusual for a mod that gives women big boobs to get lots of unfavorable comments. Why? If you don't like the mod don't download it. Simple. The same with games, in general. If it offends you don't play it. (Yes, there are extreme examples of games that just should not exist--but those are rare)
you should see the mods I use for my male characters. By the same standard one might think I'm objectifying men :O
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110719045154/glee/images/f/f1/Hermione_O.O.gif)
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 04:52:33 PM
you should see the mods I use for my male characters. By the same standard one might think I'm objectifying men :O
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110719045154/glee/images/f/f1/Hermione_O.O.gif)
Oh my...I want to see those! :lol:
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 08, 2015, 04:43:42 PM
I am not kidding, that is how it all started.
Here is a brief summary of Gamergate via Rational Wiki:
Here is the briefest possible summary:
- Video game designer breaks up with her boyfriend.
- He posts bitter screed about her, hoping to use the Internet as his personal army.
- Internet Hate Machineâ,,¢ obliges.
- Peoples' privacy destroyed, lives ruined, careers in gaming industry ended..
- Ensuing vitriol and attempts to control the mess fuels massive flame war.
- MRAs, reactionaries, neoreactionaries, anti-progressives, anti-feminists, and other groups that hate the current direction of the Culture Wars (plus disgraced game developers) co-opt the whole mess.
- Everyone sane realizes how shitty everything that just happened was, tries to stop it.
Rational Wiki on Gamegate (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate#Brief_summary)
Silly isn't it?
Yeah that sure sounds like the full picture, how about you rather look at the timeline that has recorded almost all the important events read them and decide for yourself. Rather than have rationalwiki, the feminist biased wiki that took the wikipedia editors banned for vandalizing the wikipedia gamergate article, tell you what is the truth. Also you are confusing the quinnspiracy with gamergate, and the fact that it started on 4chan where multiple different groups did different things for their own purposes. You had /pol/ (poltically incorrect board that hates tumblr feminists) and /v/ (videogame board that hates gaming journalists) /b/ (trolls) and /r9k/ (NEETs that hate alpha males and promiscuous women) They all discussed the zoepost ( a big text where eron gonji exposed zoequinn cheating and abuse of him with screenshots and stuff) Ultimately the meat of gamergate was /v/ people that saw the implications that zoe quinn slept with a game reviewer that mentioned her game as an opportunity to expose the gaming journalists corruption. Then when the identity politics narrative started /pol/ helped to counter the bullshit. It was never a homogeneous movement. But they sure did manage to expose corruption (here you have a big list of journalistic ethics breaches http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php) and also gave 70k+ dollars to a feminist charity (to introduce woman developers to the gaming industry ) so they sure were great anti-feminists: http://www.cinemablend.com/games/TFYC-Discuss-GamerGate-Recovering-From-Hacks-4chan-Support-67239.html https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2
http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/336432/The-GamerGate-Chronicles/#vars!date=2014-08-17_04:24:00!
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 04:52:33 PM
you should see the mods I use for my male characters. By the same standard one might think I'm objectifying men :O
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110719045154/glee/images/f/f1/Hermione_O.O.gif)
Good for you. I use whatever mods I like. And I objectify whatever it is I want to objectify. It's private to me. What anybody else does is on them. And if a person doesn't like the mod, then just don't use it. Seems pretty simple to me.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 08, 2015, 04:15:36 PM
this girl has been bitching at me ever since I met her and has downed everything I stand for and continued to make herself out to be superior
I'm tired of just letting that happen
Maybe we don't like each other because I am a former high school cheerleader and in the wild we are natural enemies.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 08, 2015, 07:56:05 PM
Maybe we don't like each other because I am a former high school cheerleader and in the wild we are natural enemies.
I dated a cheerleader, we got along fine.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 08, 2015, 06:19:38 PM
Good for you. I use whatever mods I like. And I objectify whatever it is I want to objectify. It's private to me. What anybody else does is on them. And if a person doesn't like the mod, then just don't use it. Seems pretty simple to me.
thats whats great about games like skyrim, the full on customization of the world you want, if you want to make all npcs naked, or make them perform for you, its all private and however you want without being shot down for it.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on October 08, 2015, 05:55:26 PM
As do I.
I'm trying to figure out hot to share a winrar file here, but its to big for the upload
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 08:43:15 PM
I'm trying to figure out hot to share a winrar file here, but its to big for the upload
Do whatever you need to do. We must have pictures of these mods in action! For science, of course. :lol:
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 08:26:34 PM
thats whats great about games like skyrim, the full on customization of the world you want, if you want to make all npcs naked, or make them perform for you, its all private and however you want without being shot down for it.
I'm with you on that.
There you go Hijiri and DS, should be seeing the private posts with them in
QuoteI'm with you on that.
Its just how when you have people like anita, who want to control and brandish people for what they enjoy in entertainment, be it violent games and movies, sex, horror, humor, when you have someone trying to stop people from enjoying a fantasy, that has no impact on her life or anyone elses in the privacy of their own homes, then she's taking the piss.
Like the pictures I just uploaded to DS and Hijiri, I wouldn't ever expect a mainstream game to have that kind of content, but because of the open customization that came from modding communities, it allows people to live out their gaming experience however they wish, which is what the fantasy should be in the privacy of their own homes. And the best thing is it shows that people like Anita can't effect what people want to create, even if she got the UN to push for archaic methods of control in the gaming world, the gaming community would simply get around it, and make their own games.
Quote from: Munch on October 08, 2015, 09:17:37 PM
There you go Hijiri and DS, should be seeing the private posts with them in
Its just how when you have people like anita, who want to control and brandish people for what they enjoy in entertainment, be it violent games and movies, sex, horror, humor, when you have someone trying to stop people from enjoying a fantasy, that has no impact on her life or anyone elses in the privacy of their own homes, then she's taking the piss.
Like the pictures I just uploaded to DS and Hijiri, I wouldn't ever expect a mainstream game to have that kind of content, but because of the open customization that came from modding communities, it allows people to live out their gaming experience however they wish, which is what the fantasy should be in the privacy of their own homes. And the best thing is it shows that people like Anita can't effect what people want to create, even if she got the UN to push for archaic methods of control in the gaming world, the gaming community would simply get around it, and make their own games.
The problem is when the government gets on it, there are countries where lolicon anime art is illegal to posses and can be punished with jail time and the laws are pretty inconsistent about it. There is a precedent of censorship and prosecution of certain fantasies and anita can be a useful idiot for the government to push this types of law forward for their own even worse subterfuge ambitions like killing online anonymity and privacy.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-03-04/canadian-arrested-for-importing-loli-porn-manga
Every human on the planet, either out of greed or fear ... want a dictatorship where they are the dictator. So yes, online anonymity and privacy has to go, because you can't run a dictatorship with it. There are things are worse than a breakdown of civilization ... at least as savages we will have some freedom. And I already know how to live without every technology developed since 1965. I will miss it, but I want my freedom first. It was necessary from Rome to fall, and we are rapidly providing reasons why the status quo can't be allowed to survive.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 08, 2015, 04:43:42 PMRational Wiki on Gamegate (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate#Brief_summary)
Rationalwiki has long been taken over by the Atheism Plus crowd and unsurprisingly gives the SJW take on things. This slight bias has a tendency to result in drastically different wiki entries regarding people they like and people they don't like. (https://youtu.be/JaNhi800KT8?t=9m25s)
The pro-gamergate timeline (http://www.gamergatewiki.com/index.php/Timeline/Full) is just a tad different from the SJW version.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 09, 2015, 01:11:47 AM
Rationalwiki has long been taken over by the Atheism Plus crowd and unsurprisingly gives the SJW take on things. This slight bias has a tendency to result in drastically different wiki entries regarding people they like and people they don't like. (https://youtu.be/JaNhi800KT8?t=9m25s)
The pro-gamergate timeline (http://www.gamergatewiki.com/index.php/Timeline/Full) is just a tad different from the SJW version.
the gamergate timeline mainly lists events and provides the links , you can make your own mind on the issue by reading that.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 09, 2015, 01:11:47 AM
Rationalwiki has long been taken over by the Atheism Plus crowd and unsurprisingly gives the SJW take on things. This slight bias has a tendency to result in drastically different wiki entries regarding people they like and people they don't like. (https://youtu.be/JaNhi800KT8?t=9m25s)
The pro-gamergate timeline (http://www.gamergatewiki.com/index.php/Timeline/Full) is just a tad different from the SJW version.
I don't remember when I discovered RationalWiki, but it has always raised red flags with me for reasons I couldn't quite put my finger on until you mentioned Atheism Plus. Well, that and I always thought its name was a little pretentious.
Seriously rationalwiki has no standards just read the extremely subjective and outright insulting article about thunderf00t obviously the subjective parts have no citations , they clearly don't give a fuck about neutral point of view a fundamental principle of an encyclopedia.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t
QuoteOngoing crusade against feminism
For a point-by-point breakdown of his response to Anita Sarkeesian, see Criticism of Tropes vs. Women.
Rather than move on gracefully, Mason has continued to make ill-informed comments on feminism within the skeptic community, to air his grudges, and to display the same immature attitude to criticism, churning out of a series of bitter and increasingly unhinged videos attacking feminists within the atheist community, typically full of strawman stereotypes and anally literal misinterpretations of their comments.
At the end of 2012, he posted a video entitled "Why 'Feminism' is poisoning Atheism."[29] This was followed a few days later by a follow-up video, which responded to one vlogger's reply. [30] In both videos, Mason attacked feminists (namely Rebecca Watson, Amy Roth, PZ Myers, and the unnamed vlogger he was responding to) who had raised issues over conduct at skeptic conventions and had instigated or supported anti-harassment policies. The videos are heavy on strawmen; they misrepresent feminists' arguments to an extent that is either grossly naive or wilfully disingenuous, and propagate stereotypes of feminists as frigid, joyless "professional victims". To underline this point, the second video contrasts footage of Watson and others talking seriously about their concerns, with a montage of party photos showing Mason and his pals larking around in silly costumes, drinking and hugging. Victory!
In March 2013, he released a video creatively entitled "Feminism versus FACTS", focusing on Anita Sarkeesian's "Women vs Tropes in Video Games" series.[31] This was followed by a second and third "Feminism versus FACTS" video,[32] and then by a third "'Feminism' is poisoning Atheism" video.[33] Then, as if perhaps he thought his audience hadn't got the message yet, he put out a video in November 2013 entitled "Why 'feminism' poisons EVERYTHING",[34] yet another cranky tirade against the likes of Anita Sarkeesian and Rebecca Watson.
While he has released another video in the series,[35] the videos are somewhat scattershot. He tends to go off on a tangent, repeat points previously made in other videos about other people and quote mine them, taking things out of context. The primary point he keeps going back to is that of sexual dimorphism causing most phenomena we see today about what is different between the sexes. He means to say that if we try to break out of traditional roles for men and women, then all we are doing is going against our own physiological trends. A second point implied by that is supposedly that different trends in physiological suitedness have naturally resulted in men and women being treated differently and thus we shouldn't call that sexism. Aside from committing appeal to nature, Thunderf00t is generalising too much here, implying that appropriate distribution of work in terms of military comes down to the same principles as the distribution of, say, corporate management positions.
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Conspiracy Theorist
On October 16th, 2014 Mason posted a video which purported to show that Sarkeesian's latest threat was actually perpetrated by either Sarkeesian herself or one of her army of minions to discredit GamerGate. His reasons include an unsourced audio clip from a university spokesperson (who had terrible communication skills), the fact that she joked about an army of supporters and the fact that somebody from the same university has done the same sort of threat against herself. In addition, Mason goes into plenty of victim blaming and nonsense claims about slut shaming. So much for logic or "seeing through delusion", then.[36]
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Further criticism
Mason is often criticised for overstepping boundaries. Some comments below his videos suggest he should stay out of politics â€" he ventured into a lot of Sarah Palin bashing during the 2008 US election â€" and stick with criticizing creationism. Sometimes the Thunderf00t channel gets a bit... "preachy"... with respect to the beauty and wonder of the universe and how technology is fan-fucking-tastic-at-everything. Although there's nothing wrong with this exactly, it can get a bit much.
His videos in May 2010 that criticized Islam alluded to a "sleeping giant"â€"clearly a reference to Isoroku Yamamoto.[citation needed] Some have interpreted this as condoning genocide of Muslims, particularly Dawahfilms, who was responsible for making an alleged "death threat" against Mason, as claimed by the latter. Dawahfilms insisted that no death threat was ever made and that it was a statement of self-defense.[37] However, Mason saw fit to characterize his statement as an "attack on free speech".[38] Dawahfilms later apologized for letting his temper get the better of him after being pressured by the YouTube community,[39] and also asked that Mason make a clarification video condemning genocide, later challenging Mason to another debate.[40] Mason responded to it by saying Dawahfilms needs therapy and continued to use DawahFilms words out of context for the sake of his anti-Islam campaign.
Mason did a six-hour stint on BlogTV answering critics following the Dawah episode, with what was claimed to be 1000 people in attendance â€" including "shredderisalive" and "Coughlan616," both critics of Mason's. The attacks on Coughlan616 that followed this reached levels of hot-headed, tl;dw drama that even Encyclopaedia Dramatica might have had trouble keeping up with.[41]
After Mason mouthed off about the so-called "Ground Zero mosque", a number of critics called him out on his Islamophobia.[42][43][44][45]
He also seems to have fallen into transphobia. [46]
typical bullshit of "oh hes calling this feminists out then he must mean all feminists are like this!" and "oh hes talking about biological imperatives and refuting people who think it is all due to socialization, so he must think it is all about biology!"
Guys, ThunderfOOt's opinions are not facts. They are his opinions. Thinking that Thunderf00t is neutral or objective about something is the same thing as people clapping Anita Sarkeesian's slide "Fact: I am an expert on something". You cannot condemn one for that, but claim that the other is point zero. Well certainly you can, but it is not intellectually honest. Not to mention it's just supporting a team. And objectivity or being neutral on something like this. Pffft. Don't be daft.
As most of the regulars know I am an art historian and I have spent all my adult life with that academic bullshit for a decade since finally I literally ran away. Analysing, interpretation images is the big part of that ancient bullshit.
While analysing and interpreting images and pieces of visual culture is NOT consisted of looking at a series and a 'set' -important- of images and fit them in various patterns in certain contexts to define them in one sort of interpretation, the counter argument for this approach is NOT producing another set of independent conflicting images to 'refute' it.
This is nothing more than a rat race. There is a side offering something and another side is reacting to it. The important point about the reaction is that -a condition someone would have to take into an account if this was some sort of study- the material is something very important in life for the reacting side. As we know, gaming is not just a hobby or something people do just for fun...or even not just a job for people who makes video games, but a part of that person's identity; her/his world. It's an identity itself in many aspects. I have to say, this point is working against gamers. It's natural bias.
If this was a real study, just the part of collecting -not choosing- the correct images and their background in production would take years. And academically speaking, it is not a valid study as long as it is not tied to a text of its material and historical evaluation of that material in it is own field. Also as no image or text is independent from countless others that precede them, there is also need of another tie there.
Plus the part of that study which is supposed to estimate the negative OR positive influence of these images in any way on groups of people of various age, gender, race, sexual orientation, culture is just fucking crazy. It would be so interdisciplinary and a crazy field study I can't think of the motivation to do something like this, unless there is a big catch. It's an interdisciplinary group study to begin with and it is not like there is some big accumulation of knowledge and information ready on this. It's new.
[This is why I believe anything in the near future that will attempt to change video games or any real impact will come from politics, where this could be turned into something beneficial and profitable for some side.]
Having said all that is it impossible to make a study of that scale? Nope. Not at all. There are more insane stuff done with the less than half the technology we have now. Ekman and Friesen's study on universality of human gesture is a good example. I had to study and use it in a study, I can easily claim that those people are insane and should be locked up just for attempting at such a thing which humanity will always be grateful and stay in their debt. Fuck I love people who can channel their insanity into scientific research so much.
But neither Thunderf00t, nor Antia Sarkeesian can be a part of something like this if it ever will be done. They are internet celebrities. That's it and that's all. This goes for the feminist and anti feminist vloggers and bloggers too. You are giving social media too much credit. Don't. It doesn't serve anything else than get your blood up -this goes for the other side too- and load on you unnecessary negatvity, it narrows your world down severely. Most importantly, when you watch those internet rat race videos of vloggers, you carry that experience as if you have lived it in real life.
I am not saying, people shouldn't watch them. I am saying people need to learn to alienate themselves from these characters and their videos designed to create conflict and sensation. Otherwise, are you mad that you are owning up and take everything other people say about your gender, race, sexual orientation, politicial tendency and opinion and sit in front of the computer hatred in frustration. It's their experiences and outburst, NOT something about YOU. Yes you could agree and disagree, but there is a healthy scale of following a vlogger AND then becoming zealot together with one OR a zealot against one.
No wonder that most of you respond to me and other female posters in every gender thread with projecting some vloggers hatred and anger OR any kind of negativity that he/she feels about whom and why. Something doesn't belong to me or you. :lol:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 09, 2015, 05:39:21 AM
Guys, ThunderfOOt's opinions are not facts. They are his opinions. Thinking that Thunderf00t is neutral or objective about something is the same thing as people clapping Anita Sarkeesian's slide "Fact: I am an expert on something". You cannot condemn one for that, but claim that the other is point zero. Well certainly you can, but it is not intellectually honest. Not to mention it's just supporting a team. And objectivity or being neutral on something like this. Pffft. Don't be daft.
As most of the regulars know I am an art historian and I have spent all my adult life with that academic bullshit for a decade since finally I literally ran away. Analysing, interpretation images is the big part of that ancient bullshit.
While analysing and interpreting images and pieces of visual culture is NOT consisted of looking at a series and a 'set' -important- of images and fit them in various patterns in certain contexts to define them in one sort of interpretation, the counter argument for this approach is NOT producing another set of independent conflicting images to 'refute' it.
This is nothing more than a rat race. There is a side offering something and another side is reacting to it. The important point about the reaction is that -a condition someone would have to take into an account if this was some sort of study- the material is something very important in life for the reacting side. As we know, gaming is not just a hobby or something people do just for fun...or even not just a job for people who makes video games, but a part of that person's identity; her/his world. It's an identity itself in many aspects. I have to say, this point is working against gamers. It's natural bias.
If this was a real study, just the part of collecting -not choosing- the correct images and their background in production would take years. And academically speaking, it is not a valid study as long as it is not tied to a text of its material and historical evaluation of that material in it is own field. Also as no image or text is independent from countless others that precede them, there is also need of another tie there.
Plus the part of that study which is supposed to estimate the negative OR positive influence of these images in any way on groups of people of various age, gender, race, sexual orientation, culture is just fucking crazy. It would be so interdisciplinary and a crazy field study I can't think of the motivation to do something like this, unless there is a big catch. It's an interdisciplinary group study to begin with and it is not like there is some big accumulation of knowledge and information ready on this. It's new.
[This is why I believe anything in the near future that will attempt to change video games or any real impact will come from politics, where this could be turned into something beneficial and profitable for some side.]
Having said all that is it impossible to make a study of that scale? Nope. Not at all. There are more insane stuff done with the less than half the technology we have now. Ekman and Friesen's study on universality of human gesture is a good example. I had to study and use it in a study, I can easily claim that those people are insane and should be locked up just for attempting at such a thing which humanity will always be grateful and stay in their debt. Fuck I love people who can channel their insanity into scientific research so much.
But neither Thunderf00t, nor Antia Sarkeesian can be a part of something like this if it ever will be done. They are internet celebrities. That's it and that's all. This goes for the feminist and anti feminist vloggers and bloggers too. You are giving social media too much credit. Don't. It doesn't serve anything else than get your blood up -this goes for the other side too- and load on you unnecessary negatvity, it narrows your world down severely. Most importantly, when you watch those internet rat race videos of vloggers, you carry that experience as if you have lived it in real life.
I am not saying, people shouldn't watch them. I am saying people need to learn to alienate themselves from these characters and their videos designed to create conflict and sensation. Otherwise, are you mad that you are owning up and take everything other people say about your gender, race, sexual orientation, politicial tendency and opinion and sit in front of the computer hatred in frustration. It's their experiences and outburst, NOT something about YOU. Yes you could agree and disagree, but there is a healthy scale of following a vlogger AND then becoming zealot together with one OR a zealot against one.
No wonder that most of you respond to me and other female posters in every gender thread with projecting some vloggers hatred and anger OR any kind of negativity that he/she feels about whom and why. Something doesn't belong to me or you. :lol:
Yes, you are so enlightened keep on your patronizing tone while refusing to actually engage any argument, just keep spouting your useless opinions on how you think we think rather than engaging the actual arguments. You failed miserably to deal with my argument of semantics completely distorting it into me calling you nazi. You also completely failed to understand my criticism of the RAINN page mermaid cited. And it seems you also fail to understand thunderf00t is not proposing an equally but opposed theory to sarkeesian, he is just taking her ideas to task and being skeptical. He is not a biological determinist and he ,as any other scientist, won't buy the games make you sexist argument until compelling evidence is produced. From the papers I have read there's a link between gaming and momentary tension and anger (which makes sense when you are in an intense competition) but then there's no links of enduring effects on anger, violence or sexism (there's papers searching for them and failing to find them). Thunderf00t is merely countering this disinformation with simple skepticism hes not making any paper on it. Obviously there's a lot of polarization and ''in group out group'' biases flying around on the internet and everywhere else, but you claiming that we fall in that category as zealots without even refuting the specific arguments we have raised towards you is simple pedantry to the point of being laughable. Get the fuck off your high horse.
I never use/used rational wiki. Is it really that bad? Most of the editors I work/ed with don't even accept wikipedia which is a bit of a hype considering the books I deal with is academic research. It's ridiculous. But I use it for footnotes of course, as a pointer. And they are not paying membership for article databases either. Myeh.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 09, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
But neither Thunderf00t, nor Antia Sarkeesian can be a part of something like this if it ever will be done. They are internet celebrities. That's it and that's all.
Actually thunderf00t , unlike anita, has published various successful papers on his field of chemistry working with international teams on experiments on nuclear reactors and with extremely high fps cameras.
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This goes for the feminist and anti feminist vloggers and bloggers too. You are giving social media too much credit. Don't. It doesn't serve anything else than get your blood up -this goes for the other side too- and load on you unnecessary negatvity, it narrows your world down severely.
This only happens if you are intellectually lazy and don't constantly criticize your thoughts and expose yourself to dissenting opinion. Also if you understand how in group out group bias works and do not fall in the fallacy of thinking you are right simply because the other side is wrong. Always search for new perspectives and do not close yourself in an echochamber.
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Most importantly, when you watch those internet rat race videos of vloggers, you carry that experience as if you have lived it in real life.
Those internet videos are actually more representative of the current widespread believes and ideological discussions of the population than more niche and granular academic arguments. In that aspect they are actually closer to real everyday life than more authoritative sources.
Now hopefully you not do your usually shitck of inferring my intentions to deduce I must be a thunderf00t zealot , just cause i point out your inaccuracies. Just because i do that it does not mean i must hold a diametrically opposite position.
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I thought about reading on Gamergate and see what is this trivial funny scandal. I wish I didn't. This is the summary given by wikipedia. Did I say zealot before? I take that back.
This is bordering on domestic terrorism and looks like sooner or later it will end bloodshed in life loss. And when it happens, you are going to tell me that this is not an indicator of the characteristics of the American culture because the perpetrators are mentally ill; that the psychopath kills and the stupid dies. And it will turn in to some gun control rate race.
No it is NOT mental illnes that creates mass murderes. It's anger, rage, with intense frustration they cannot deal with that truns into normal law abiding people to monsters. And considering the gun issue it is ready a recipie for a disaster.
THIS GAMERGATE BULLSHIT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING WITH FUNDAMENTAL MUSLIMS THREATENING AND KILLING PEOPLE FOR MOHAMMED CARTOONS, CREATING VIOLENCE AND ABUSE PEOPLE FOR CRITICISING THEIR RELIGION.
It's disgusting. It's religiously violent AND organised. There is nothing trivial with that. And you are talking about Anita Sarkeesian lying about being a gamer and that she never picked up a controller and how these women don't enjoy gaming or don't know how to lose themselves in a fantasy world. What the fuck are you talking about. Are you aware of the list of crimes commited against these women? For what? Bsiacally speaking out their opinion, having an opinion; criticising a specific branch of the pop culture in their culture.
The more I read about American culture, the more I get how good at it is at burying its head deep in the sand.
The very sad part is that when you guys bring up this issue, NONE of you even mention the scale of harassments and threats, discuss or even question its scale and coordinated massive nature, but just ignore it with 'it is just a bad apple's attitude' and that it is nothing. There have even been implications along the line that 'if she -Sarkeesian- or they -others like Rebecca Watson- do that this is inevitable and natural'. And you are reducing this bullshit to Thunderf00t vs Sarkeesian squabble without even trying to question what the fuck is happening in the big picture.
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These women have been 'punished' because they commited blasphemy against a group dominated by men. There is no difference between threatening a woman with rape because of what she said about the hobby of a group of men who find it as blasphemy in a country like United States of America and women being sentenced to rape 'punishment' and have to flee their home in India IN PRINCIPLE.-
It's also a very good demonstration on how the American freedom of speech is just a hyped up bullshit and nothing more, but just stands with everyone talking about its name rather than any ground of practise. It's a fucking myth. And I am trying to speak of how men and women are oppressed together by fucked up norms of a fucked up system with people who don't show one tiny bit of uncomfort about the scale of harassment in something like this, but scream their heads off "bitch bitch bitch biiiiitch, miserable biiiitch". Bravo. Clap clap.You are supporting a side one step backwards from killing and raping people for their critical opinions. What you call that again? Being sensitive, right? Why? Because nothing happened yet to this people! A lot of things happened to these women. And highly likely the worst will happen at some point. I wonder how would you react, if you got less than half the treatment they got.
And you are overwhelmed with feminists getting angry and find their reactions are extreme, because its hateful, are ya? You are surprised and annoyed by groups like Atheism Plus occuring, are ya? WOOW. An interesting level of stupidity this looks like young padawans but unfortunately, it is just good old hypocrisy sauced with blindness producing hatred.
You know that feeling, when you are speaking with a very religious person about atheism, there are moments you cannot decide that if he is literally too stupid to survive or too blinded by religion and that makes you go a combination of emotions? You stop at some point, it feels like you are harrassing the person because he is flying over the clouds and getting frustrated over unicorns and magic although you are just speaking plainly of a picture he can't just see through? That's exactly what I am feeling right now.
I don't hate men. I don't hate anyone. I am not capable of hating. My hatred is a flash in the pan limited with "You fucking moron, stupid, I despise your guts for saying that go fuck yourself"...blah blah for ONE fucking moment. And I certainly don't hate any of you. On the contrary, I like this community with everything it has bad or good. I love gaming and video gmes very much. And I have no problem with adult games either.
But about particularly this subject -and most gender related ones- you are just a bunch of angry children that is scared somebody is going to take your favourite toys from your hands and you are not even aware of it. You don't want to acknowledge what is really happening while you turn around and talk about blasphemy, freedom of speech, gender equality, how extremism fucks everything up till your heads explode. Get honest. To yourselves first.
Wikipedia:
QuoteThe Gamergate controversy began in August 2014 and concerns sexism in video game culture. It is most notable for harassment against several feminists in the video game industry, including game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, and cultural critic Anita Sarkeesian. The campaign of harassment was coordinated in IRC channels and online forums such as Reddit, 4chan, and 8chan by an anonymous and amorphous group that ultimately came to be represented by the Twitter hashtag #Gamergate. The harassment included doxing, threats of rape, and death threats as well as being related to a mass shooting threat in protest of an invited speech featuring Sarkeesian.
Gamergate has been described as a manifestation of a culture war over gaming culture diversification, artistic recognition and social criticism of video games, and the gamer social identity. Some of the people using the Gamergate hashtag allege collusion among feminists, progressives, journalists and social critics, which they believe is the cause of increasing social criticism in video game reviews. Some hashtag users have said the goal for their actions is to improve the ethical standards of video game journalism. These concerns have been widely dismissed by commentators as trivial, based on conspiracy theories, unfounded in fact, or unrelated to actual issues of ethics. Users of the hashtag launched email campaigns targeting firms advertising in publications of which they disapproved, asking them to withdraw their advertisements.
QuoteFurther harassment
Gamergate supporters subjected others to similar harassment, doxing, and death threats. Those who came to the victims' defense were ridiculed as "white knights", or "social justice warriors" (SJW);[17] and this characterization was intended, according to Heron, Belford and Goker, to neutralize any opposition by questioning their motives.[17] Shortly after the Gamergate hashtag was coined, video game developer Phil Fish had his personal information hacked and publicly posted in retaliation for defending Quinn.[26][27] The attack also exposed documents relating to Fish's company, Polytron.[28] As a result, Fish sold Polytron and left the gaming industry.[2][29]
Feminist and cultural critic Anita Sarkeesian faced death threats after releasing a Tropes vs. Women in Video Games video.
The campaign expanded to include renewed harassment of Anita Sarkeesian, who had been a target of earlier online harassment in part due to her award-winning YouTube video series Tropes vs. Women in Video Games, which analyzes sexist stereotypes in video games. Sarkeesian's attackers took her critical commentary as unfair and unwarranted, and considered her an interloper.[30][31][32] After a new episode of Tropes vs. Women was released on August 24, 2014 Sarkeesian received rape and death threats, and private information including her home address was leaked; she was compelled to flee her home.[33][34] At the XOXO Festival in Portland, Oregon, she said, in regard to the accusations that high-profile women were making up the threats against them, that "one of the most radical things you can do is to actually believe women when they talk about their experiences." "The perpetrators," Sarkeesian went on to say, "do not see themselves as perpetrators at all.... They see themselves as noble warriors."[35]
Sarkeesian canceled an October 2014 speaking appearance at Utah State University (USU) after the school received three anonymous threats, the second of which claimed affiliation with Gamergate.[36] The initial threat alluded to the École Polytechnique massacre, a 1989 mass shooting motivated by antifeminism.[37] USU's President and Provost released a joint statement saying that USU, in consultation with state and federal law enforcement agencies, had assessed that there was no credible threat to students, staff or the speaker.[38] However, requests for additional security measures were declined because of Utah's open carry laws, leading to the cancellation.[8][39][40][41] The threats drew the attention of mainstream media to the Gamergate situation.[42] Wingfield of The New York Times referred to the threat as "the most noxious example of a weeks long campaign to discredit or intimidate outspoken critics of the male-dominated gaming industry and its culture."[8] The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) actively investigated the threat to attack Sarkeesian.[43]
Video game developer Brianna Wu suffered Gamergate-related harassment from late 2014 into 2015.
In mid-October Brianna Wu, independent game developer and co-founder of video game studio Giant Spacekat, saw her home address and other identifying information posted on 8chan as retaliation for mocking Gamergate. Wu then became the target of rape and death threats on Twitter and elsewhere. After contacting police, Wu fled her home with her husband, saying she would not allow the threats to intimidate her into silence.[8][44][45][46][47][48] Wu later announced an US$11,000 reward for any information leading to a conviction for those involved in her harassment, and set up a legal fund to help other game developers who have been harassed online.[49]
Harassment related to Gamergate continued for several months after the onset of the controversy. Two critics of Gamergate have been targets of attempted "swatting"â€"hoaxed reports to emergency services intended to provoke a SWAT team response at the target's home. The Guardian reported that both swatting attempts were coordinated through the "baphomet" subforum of 8chan.[50][51] Since the initial rush of threats that caused her to flee her home, Wu documented receiving roughly 45 death threats by April 2015; Silicon Valley investor Marc Andreesen has offered up to a $10,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of those who have issued these threats.[52]
Wu's studio, Giant Spacekat, withdrew from the Expo Hall of PAX East 2015. Wu cited security concerns, lack of confidence in the management and their failure to return calls.[53][54][55] A man calling himself "Jace Connors" threatened Wu in a YouTube video that was later found to be a hoax comedy performance by members of the group Million Dollar Extreme. One of the members later reported receiving threats and harassment himself after which he stated, "I didn't take this situation seriously, but I see what it means now to be in the other person's shoes."[56]
Coverage of the Gamergate controversy has heightened public awareness of Wu's work and increased sales for Giant Spacekat's first game, Revolution 60, though Wu has said that the time and money to combat the harassment has outweighed those financial benefits.[52] Gaming-related conventions in 2015, such as a Canadian Games Studies Association meeting and the Electronic Entertainment Expo 2015, have seen ongoing harassment from Gamergate hashtag users.[57][58]
Actress and gamer Felicia Day wrote a blog post about her concerns over Gamergate and her fear of retaliation if she spoke against it. Almost immediately her home address and phone number were posted online, leading to harassing letters and phone calls.[59] Actor Wil Wheaton and former NFL player Chris Kluwe also posted criticisms of Gamergate, the latter widely noted for Kluwe's use of creative insults.[15][60][61][62][63][64] Stephen Colbert questioned why men like Kluwe had not been threatened by Gamergate, stating that "it's almost entirely women being threatened in Gamergate".[65][66]
Various people, some of whom requested to remain anonymous, have also been harassed for supporting Gamergate.[67] One Gamergate supporter said he was instructed to leave his home after he reported threats to police.[68] Another supporter said that she had experienced repeated harassment, including hacking attempts and threats to break her windows.[19][68] YouTube personality Steven "boogie2988" Williams, remarked that a comment on one of his videos included his address and a threat to his wife's life.[67][69] Mike Diver wrote in Vice that threats against Gamergate supporters had been neglected in press coverage.[67] The BBC reported that "misogynist abuseâ€"and vitriolic messages in generalâ€"is not limited to either 'side' of the argument".[70]
Bomb threats have also been made towards events attended by Gamergate supporters. A May 2015 meetup in Washington D.C. arranged by Christina Hoff Sommers and Milo Yiannopoulos was a target of a bomb threat made over Twitter, according to local police responding to information supplied by the FBI.[71] During "Airplay", an event run by the Society of Professional Journalists in August 2015, multiple bomb threats were made. This led to the evacuation of the building and the neighborhood around it.[72][73]
Coordination of harassment
There has been considerable discussion of self-policing and the responsibility supporters of Gamergate share when the hashtag is used for harassment. A number of websites have blocked users, removed posts, and created policies to prevent their users from threatening Quinn and others with doxing, assault, rape and murder, and planning and coordinating such threats.[2][5] 4chan's founder, Christopher Poole, banned all discussion of Gamergate on the site as more attacks occurred, leading to Gamergate supporters using 8chan as their central hub.[74] Shortly after banning Gamergate from 4chan, Poole announced that he would be withdrawing from the site.[75]
Ars Technica reported that a series of 4chan discussion logs suggests that Twitter sockpuppet accounts were used to popularize the Gamergate hashtag.[76] Heron, Belford, and Goker, analyzing the logs, found that early Gamergate IRC discussions focused on coordinating the harassment of Quinn by using astroturf campaigns to push attacks against her into mainstream view. They also describe how initial organizers deliberately attempted to cultivate a palpable narrative for public consumption while internally focusing on personal grudges against Quinn and aggressive sexual imagery.[17]
Gamergate supporters have responded to accusations of harassment in a variety of ways. Many have denied that the harassment came from Gamergate, or falsely accused victims of fabricating the evidence.[17][34] Gamergate supporters have used the term "Literally Who" to refer to victims of harassment such as Quinn, claiming they are not relevant to Gamergate's goals and purposes. Commentators have decried the use of such terminology as dehumanizing, and noted that discussions on Gamergate forums often center around those referred to as "Literally Who."[11][77] Some Gamergate supporters have denounced the harassment, arguing that the perpetrators are in the minority and do not represent them, and have reported threatening or hateful comments.[68][67][78]
By September 24, 2014, over one million Twitter messages incorporating the Gamergate hashtag had been sent.[79] A Newsweek and Brandwatch analysis found more than two million Twitter messages between September and October 2014.[80] Software developer Andy Baio also produced an analysis of #Gamergate tweets showing a discussion that was polarized between pro- and anti-Gamergate factions. One quarter of the tweets sampled were produced by users new to Twitter, most of whom were pro-Gamergate.[81] While the number of Gamergate supporters is unclear, in October 2014 Deadspin estimated 10,000 supporters based on the number of users discussing Gamergate on Reddit.[82]
In an interview with NPR's Marketplace, voice actress Jennifer Hale called on the gaming community to improve the self-policing of its small and vicious fringe, and said race and gender barriers persist in the industry.[83] Developer Peter Molyneux considered that the Internet's instant accessibility of social media allows for people to express of-the-moment opinions without thinking about their consequences, leading to a "whole Pandora's Box" of both good and bad issues that society must consider in terms of freedom of speech.[84] Todd VanDerWerff wrote that the Gamergate supporters' message was lost in the vitriolic harassment, frequently directed at women.[22]
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 10, 2015, 04:00:15 AM
I thought about reading on Gamergate and see what is this trivial funny scandal. I wish I didn't. This is the summary given by wikipedia.
>wikipedia
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA if only you knew... check the talk page of that article.
also https://xkcd.com/978/
QuoteI take that back. This is bordering on domestic terrorism and looks like sooner or later it will end bloodshed in life loss.
jesus christ...
how about this go to kotakuinaction and tell me if the movement you see there matches what the wiki article said.Seriously do some first hand investigation go talk to the actual members of GG hear and read some of the hundreds of hours of material recorded by them.
Frankly if you're just gonna take the wikipedia article at face value without knowing anything about gamergate about the gaming community or about the chan community or the youtube community involved. You know the actual people that participated in this ordeal since the start and have been members of those groups far longer than that. You simple have no idea what you are talking about. That wikipedia article is extremely biased for a number of reasons that i could link you a post about it if i find it, but it was mainly because the news outlets that gamergate attacked are the ones that are considered reliable sources even when they are implicated in the scandal themselves, the gaming media simply took a united stance to slander gamergate and the mainstream media lazily simply copied articles and pushed the same narrative. Due to wikipedia mechanisms for reliable sources a group of random anonymous gamers posting on image boards and forums cannot do shit against the media and the biased editors to change that article. That is what is so outrageous about gamergate, the narrative they constructed based on them citing each other like an incestuous cabal of lazy, corrupt and ideological biased journalists. The threats and the doxxing did happen, from both sides (mind you most of them were anonymous so we don't really know who actually made them), but they were not representative at all of what gamergate was about and were completely blown out of proportion to slander all of gamergate and stop the discourse.
Basicly, wikipedia is a convoluted source of "information" that can be edited anytime and its moderators not even bothering to fact check the information. Don't use it as a reliable source, but instead check multiple sources of information.
for starters check this out. This is a database created by GG about journalistic ethical breaches. It was the collective effort of hundreds of members to compile all this information. This shows the ethical concerns are real.
http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php
Quote from: Munch on October 10, 2015, 05:50:47 AM
Basicly, wikipedia is a convoluted source of "information" that can be edited anytime and its moderators not even bothering to fact check the information. Don't use it as a reliable source, but instead check multiple sources of information.
You realise this is something taken over by the police, right? Do you really believe that if there was some serious manipulation, what happened and what these women and men lived wasn't true, this wouldn't go out all this time? This is not some half ass wiki article with a few feminist links below.
All the main media sources below, all those men and women are conspiring against the game community, is that it? They are all lying about people -women AND men- fleeing their homes because male gamers posted their personal information so somebody would harm them; threats of mass murder, bombing, rape, death. Not just those women, but everyone who dared to talk against it got harmed in some way.
There is nothing complicated or convoluted about being have to flee where you live because of saying your opinion out loud and getting death threats. It happens the same way in the Middle East. People get threatened becaue of their opinions and their information is given out by supporters and they get harmed, killed...etc.
This is something highly coordinated and organised.
PS Wiki is being posted here every day. If that is what you think, stop posting it. And of course also stop posting the main media sources below like The Guardian, Washington Post, New York Times, BBc...etc. Because you cannot have it both ways.
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You know what it is just pointless. It doesn't matter. Even in the near future when people die because of something like this you will all go about mental illness and a couple of bad apples.
There are articles down there written about gamers who are very uncomfortable about this. Naturally. Most of the articles are written by men. I'm sure feminists got very angry and wrote a lot which perfectly justified and natural, but that list is not some trivial set of feminist propaganda pages.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 10, 2015, 08:48:29 AM
You know what it is just pointless. It doesn't matter. Even in the near future when people die because of something like this you will all go about mental illness and a couple of bad apples.
There are articles down there written about gamers who are very uncomfortable about this. Naturally. Most of the articles are written by men. I'm sure feminists got very angry and wrote a lot which perfectly justified and natural, but that list is not some trivial set of feminist propaganda pages.
So are you just gonna buy the narrative and refuse to look at the other side? Here have the chosen representatives of gamergate (by collecting votes from all the gamergate main hubs) speaking with a panel of members of the society of professional journalists, talking about the ethical breaches. The anti gamergate side refused to participate, some saying they did not want to legitimize harassers, let's see how much harassment do this people have to spout. This panel that was ultimately interrupted by multiple bomb threats even though measures were taken like sweeping the place in the morning. Which mobilized and wasted tons of resources because someone did not want GG to air their grievances. (the sound issue is fixed at 2:06 shit actually starts at 4:10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW2D-OPscw4
You people are living in a society that legitimise arresting 14 year old kids for making clocks and bringing it to school -which is supported by almost all the American society that it's a reasonable measure- there is a shooting somewhere every week, just in the last 10 months there have been 298 mass shootings in this country and nobody cares about any of this beyond 'oh another pyschopath, yeah this shit happens man, don't touch my guns'. Any death toll is almost looked as some natural collateral of the American culture by its own people, BUT a bunch of men and women SHOULD HAVE PLAYED the stupid braveheart for a bullshit rate race about video games, going against every odds AFTER all that fatal mass threats, people giving their personal information out with death and rape threats, threatening everyone who even made a joke or a unwanted comment against them, SHOULD HAVE RISKED their own lives and their families.
You know, because it is just simple grievances that is. That massive amount of people attacking and threatening people individually, in a coordinated manner in a mass scale. They should have kissed and made up, grouped hugged after all that because that is what people do when they are threatened with their lives and shown as target to a hateful, angry, hostile massive group online.
There should be a line between absolute moronity and trying to defend your side in expense of anything that might happen to people, because you love your toys. That's fanatism, that's being a zealot.
well i see you did not want to watch the video so lets try this a condensed version!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62euQFWuQGc
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 08, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
No one bats an eye.
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In all seriousness. Sorkeyziun is probably one of the most inconsistent liars I have ever learned about. Constantly contradicting herself... always accusing something of being the enemy. I truly believe that at this point she actually believes what she is spewing. She has brainwashed herself to the point that she can't turn just say "welp... maybe I was wrong" and needs to satisfy her biases.
QuoteBUT a bunch of men and women SHOULD HAVE PLAYED the stupid braveheart for a bullshit rate race about video games, going against every odds AFTER all that fatal mass threats, people giving their personal information out with death and rape threats, threatening everyone who even made a joke or a unwanted comment against them, SHOULD HAVE RISKED their own lives and their families.
I have no idea what are you talking about frankly , just inform yourself. You are talking like if gamergate was some ideological conflict on the level of extreme islam. No act of physical violence has occurred to anyone in gamergate. It all has been words from both sides that have harmed careers and reputations based on unproven claims. But the one that have done that from the side of gamergate (which is not even certain since all this threats and doxxing is ANONYMOUS GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD WE DO NOT KNOW WHO DID THIS THINGS THERE'S TONS OF TROLLS THAT HATE ANITA) have been condemned thoroughly by gamergate meanwhile the anti GG side has protected some of their harassers (like randi harper) in an hypocritical fashion. Are you even familiar with the concept of hatemail? Do you know the difference between people like ayaan hirsi ali or salman rushdie and anita sarkeesian? the former received threats that the police took as credible and they had to be escorted for years even decades of their life, there were actual attempts at their lives. No one has tried to hurt anita sarkeesian, NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON HAS EVEN TRIED TO VERBALLY HARASS HER IN REAL LIFE. Yet you do the bullshit argument of hey guys people are getting shot why are you complaining about games. Well get fucking real yourself anita is light years away from being a victim like Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Salman Rushdie who do not spend 90% of their time damseling themselves, but actually produce intellectual discourse. Anita's hyperbolic and paranoid rhetoric is just bullshit. You do not know shit about this topic. You have not even tried to hear what the actual members of gamergate have to say. You just listen and believe what their opponents have to say about them. Didn't you learn anything at the university go fucking do your homework and do first hand research from both sides if you wanna preach like you actually know shit.
Shoe ... you understand in such an impressive way, but you don't make the final leap. Americans aren't like fanatics, they are fanatics. No different from ISIS. That is why it is so funny to me at least, that Americans get their ... XXX up ... over ISIS atrocities. They aren't against evil, they are against competition. Same deal with the violent drug gangs in Mexico. They want violence to be an exclusive blond-blue eyed thing, just like Germans.
Many Americans are German, and Anglo-Saxons and Scandinavians are just another kind of German. The rest of the world needs to realize that we are germ-an. We infect with the dollar, like a predatory spider injects flesh dissolving fluids into its victims, so we can suck the shell dry. And our embassies are like wasps implanting wasp larva into living victims (see Cairo embassy).
Video games, violent or otherwise, are part of American cultural viral injection ... only the French try to protect themselves, everyone else, including China, simply want to get into America mode. The world would be smarter to wall the US off and not let us out ... don't use our money, don't buy our products or services.
As much of a hate-monger that Surkoozshun is, she can't do anything. She can build her army of irrational, inconsistent, complainers, but games will continue to be made. If she really wanted to do something for feminine equality, she would spend her time and energy encouraging more positive female roles, like Lara Croft in Tomb Raider or something similar... or maybe even something different.
She wants more games centered around her ideals? She should get people to make them. Attempting to silence developers in what they want to make in terms of games will always be a failed attempt at equality.
I am not talking about video games being violent or Anita Sarkeesian's opinions.
I'm also aware US is not Switzerland. Also please remember that USA is a very young country. And no, I refuse to see the people of any country as predatory spiders or wasps and honestly I don't think I can. I am a bit too involved with cultural studies, anthropology, sociology or social psychology for that. I also have a working brain. That kind of stops me from seeing things in black and white.
It's not really difficult to see why people act the way the do. Humans are not that complicated really. Neither are they pyschopaths by race or nation.
There is nothing complicated with this issue.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on October 11, 2015, 11:31:43 AM
As much of a hate-monger that Surkoozshun is, she can't do anything. She can build her army of irrational, inconsistent, complainers, but games will continue to be made. If she really wanted to do something for feminine equality, she would spend her time and energy encouraging more positive female roles, like Lara Croft in Tomb Raider or something similar... or maybe even something different.
She wants more games centered around her ideals? She should get people to make them. Attempting to silence developers in what they want to make in terms of games will always be a failed attempt at equality.
Of course games will continue to be made.
It won't be people like Sarkeesian that will have an impact on games, but politicans. And gaming community is just playing in to their hands with this kind of bullshit.
Unfortunately, there are more parents than gamers -or non gamers- in the US or in the world and compared to the gamer group -which includes under age gamers- they ALL vote and ready to buy anything that is marketed for safety. The time will come that this is going to be made into an issue about violence in general, as the stupid NRA tries to make it at every opportunity.
And politicians are going to use this severely. Esp. in the US. You have an unbelievable gun violence and while you guys are focusing on Sarkeesian because you hate her, but a very big group in your country is thinking that 'new games of the last decade' are the reason. I wouldn't be surprised if NRA would try to come up with new resreach or manipulate the independent ones. They do it to all the gun research.
That's what governments do. They pretend to fix the stuff they can't -or even won't try to- on fantasy grounds. It's all about the perception management. There is nothing better they do. What's more likely when you think the profits? A real strict gun control, researching the reasons of a social explosion US has been having OR slapping the game industry? The latter of course. Because trying to solve the violence problem in the US requires to accept a lot of things that the state, government or the people cannot afford culturally or most importantly economically to do. That's a huge can of worms, noone would agree to open. It's NOT beneficial, nor profitable for now. It's not going to be for a long time, because it requires some changes in American identity and that means a paradigm shift in American society.
"It's all about the perception management." .. you do understand politics ... and magic
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 11, 2015, 12:07:20 PM
Of course games will continue to be made.
It won't be people like Sarkeesian that will have an impact on games, but politicans. And gaming community is just playing in to their hands with this kind of bullshit.
Unfortunately, there are more parents than gamers -or non gamers- in the US or in the world and compared to the gamer group -which includes under age gamers- they ALL vote and ready to buy anything that is marketed for safety. The time will come that this is going to be made into an issue about violence in general, as the stupid NRA tries to make it at every opportunity.
And politicians are going to use this severely. Esp. in the US. You have an unbelievable gun violence and while you guys are focusing on Sarkeesian because you hate her, but a very big group in your country is thinking that 'new games of the last decade' are the reason. I wouldn't be surprised if NRA would try to come up with new resreach or manipulate the independent ones. They do it to all the gun research.
That's what governments do. They pretend to fix the stuff they can't -or even won't try to- on fantasy grounds. It's all about the perception management. There is nothing better they do. What's more likely when you think the profits? A real strict gun control, researching the reasons of a social explosion US has been having OR slapping the game industry? The latter of course. Because trying to solve the violence problem in the US requires to accept a lot of things that the state, government or the people cannot afford culturally or most importantly economically to do. That's a huge can of worms, noone would agree to open. It's NOT beneficial, nor profitable for now. It's not going to be for a long time, because it requires some changes in American identity and that means a paradigm shift in American society.
Sarkeesian is meaningless on her own shes just a useful idiot, as you say the politicians also the media that use her and all her sycophants to push censorship and control laws is the problem. Disproving her narrative is just a way to wake up people to the lies they have been fed through political correctness to support censorship and control in the name of "safety" and "progress". This narrative has been pushed in a very insidious way by liberal media like MSNBC, jezebel, gawker, the mary sue, the young turks by masking it in positive ideals like equality, safety and feminism. Unlike the conservatives narrative of games and other media causing mass shootings that liberals rejected very fast, this new narrative (https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/525793436025118721) fractured the liberals in the SJW and the anti-SJW (cultural libertarians). The SJW rhetoric of injecting gender and race on all issues and creating a scale of privilege and oppression with which to judge people opinions, using completely idiotic logic and superfluous arguments causes nothing more than polarization between men and woman, between races, between sexualities. It kills the political power of the people to stand united against authoritarian measures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQRjKDfUFA
I agree shoe, the only people that can have a halting effect on games is politicians. But I personally doubt that politicians would go as far as to do anything like make games so gender neutral that there are no more sexy men or women anymore at even any degree. I don't think they would take away the "princess rescue" objective from games. I don't think will do any of that. It's possible, but highly unlikely, at least in my view of it. I think this whole thing is a non-issue, in all honesty.
I got heated when I first heard of Soreconcussion, but after actually thinking about the situation... I realized this:
A-neat-uhh and people like her in this "war" are loads of shit. They complain and complain and demonize things like women wearing dresses and makeup while wearing it themselves. Nothing they say holds a gram of weight and I know other people realize this, even at a very subtle level.
There is no war. It's just loads of drama... and the sooner people realize this, the sooner we move on from this "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" nonsense.
This isn't to say that women don't have all the rights that men do... they don't. But in the world of video games... this is bullshit. And for women to pick this fight in this way, by trying to take away rights of other developers and silence their creative voice, instead of encouraging feminine creative voices to get their game developing in gear and on the shelves.... I feel is only hurting their cause.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on October 11, 2015, 07:20:27 PM
I agree shoe, the only people that can have a halting effect on games is politicians. But I personally doubt that politicians would go as far as to do anything like make games so gender neutral that there are no more sexy men or women anymore at even any degree. I don't think they would take away the "princess rescue" objective from games. I don't think will do any of that. It's possible, but highly unlikely, at least in my view of it. I think this whole thing is a non-issue, in all honesty.
I got heated when I first heard of Soreconcussion, but after actually thinking about the situation... I realized this:
A-neat-uhh and people like her in this "war" are loads of shit. They complain and complain and demonize things like women wearing dresses and makeup while wearing it themselves. Nothing they say holds a gram of weight and I know other people realize this, even at a very subtle level.
There is no war. It's just loads of drama... and the sooner people realize this, the sooner we move on from this "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" nonsense.
This isn't to say that women don't have all the rights that men do... they don't. But in the world of video games... this is bullshit. And for women to pick this fight in this way, by trying to take away rights of other developers and silence their creative voice, instead of encouraging feminine creative voices to get their game developing in gear and on the shelves.... I feel is only hurting their cause.
I think there is a general misunderstanding about what might be coming and that is due to a hatred of a specific vlogger; Anit aSarkeesian. You are seeing this issue through her while it is much different and bigger than gender neutralising video games. May be I should have made it clear in my post, so sorry about that. I wasn't talking about gender issues some see and some don't.
Bear with me.
The only way video games would get an altering impact is that it could be tied to a huge domestic issue in the US. And you do have an issue of that sort. Gun violence. This is the independent point of the situation.
Now the other point is, when I, you, we think about video games and their visual patterns we think countless of them in their genres, sub genres or categories and know the most difefrences. I sit down and watch game plays for posted by gamers of the games I have never played, for hours. I have an idea what is going on there. It's familiar to me. However, when it comes to the nongaming population, they see people actively interacting with 'colourful', 'realistic' stimulations of violence when it comes to the specific games. Their point is that those games are designed to internalise the violent experience.
And while they are the bigger group, their profile is very different. This is the exact bullshit of parents claiming that a movie or a show with 'adult' conversation and experience presented makes kids 'bad'. Have you ever talked with people about gaming who hasn't played any other game than bejeweled (new name?) or farm frenzy? I have.
Age is not that important, but they are mostly parents. And their frame of mind on anything is completely diferent than ours which makes them vulnerable to any politics that would be marketed as some 'solution' that they could follow. Bullshit or not. This is what I am talking about. Everyday, as media gets filled with some shooting esp. considering the news scope is now international, the amount of people coming up with the reaction of 'the tv shows, movies and VIDEO GAMES!' is not small, they are bigger in numbers.
People blame zombies and shows, FPS games and the fantasy worlds people love to live in. And at some point very near this will be made into a solid background to a solid issue. A fantasy source for a real problem. And people will BUY that and support it. Because this is what happens all the time. NRA, Repulicans, anyone who is earning from guns to begin with.
And attempts of sterilising -as I call it- will start there.
:arrow: Nothing can be gender neutral. But games getting a higher quality in that department can only be achieved when males are not the dominating gender in the gaming world and only after that it could go that way by itself. Basically, if you are selling something to a one group in major scale, YOU would design it to that gender. In this case heterosexual male of various ages. They are the one making, buying and playing these games in a dominant scale. So this is how I look at that issue for the record. But people have a right to say anything about it in panels or in the vlogs and pages they make. Bullshit like Gamergate just makes the whole gaming world look like a bunch od violent zealots to the rest of the world. Multiple bombing and mass murder threats man. In the US. There is nothing better than to shout 'we are just a bunch of useless scary morons sitting in front of computer all day, don't dare to touch our games or we'll destroy'. Gamers already had negative stigmatisation. That you are unsocial or even anti-social (ffs) if you are passionate about your game, playing it straight for hours and hours. I have heard similar things myself countless times.
Now, if this sounds ridiculous to you about games getting altered stupidly that we cannot even get to shoot anything properly -at least for under 18- then ask your father and mother what they thought first time they heard about the smoking ban in public areas or transportation and so on. Everybody laughed and said: "Pwuuuhaa IMPOSSIBLE! These people are idiots." Now we have smoke ban in some cities in the individual homes, open air areas. Same happened in my country. Everyone laughed and said "in Europe, yeah. Here fuck off, not gonna happen."
You could say it is very different, but as long as the perception goes it is not. There is nothing that cannot be banned with suitable politics and media manipulation in the US. And people who are getting the cream of the gun industry, who is going to benefit from this politically are resourceful and rich enough to do that. They can create wars, invade countries, support terrorist groups, causes mass destruction annihilation, do you really think the gaming industry is a problem?
QuoteGamergate just makes the whole gaming world look like a bunch od violent zealots to the rest of the world.
Not really the lies of the media may make it look like that, but all the people that actually know what it is: that actually were there when it spawned and saw it get slandered and censored since it's inception. Know you and the media are just full of shit. A casual glance to any of gamergate hubs will show you it is a movement based on free speech, intellectual honesty and journalistic ethics. Calling out the bullshit from the media and the "social justice warriors" by presenting dissenting opinions.
what are you so afraid of that you can't look at it with your own eyes?https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/
There is no such thing is as free speach for one group, while theatening the other with death, rape, mass murder and bombing attacks just because the former didn't like what the latter said.
Nail that into your head or fuck off, go live in Saudi Arabia.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 13, 2015, 03:07:05 AM
There is no such thing is as free speach for one group, while theatening the other with death, rape, mass murder and bombing attacks just because the former didn't like what the latter said.
Nail that into your head or fuck off, go live in Saudi Arabia.
Funny so i guess all muslims are terrorists? Thats literally the level of your argument and it is actually worse because the people who made the threats are anonymous and widely condemned by gamergate. There's literally no segment of gamergate that support those, they got all shunned (try anything like that at the GG subreddit and you get instabanned same in the GG board at 8chan). The people you should be condemning are /baphomet/ and /lolcow/ (and other troll hacker groups like ayyteam and lulzec) those are the ones that endorse those techniques and they also hate gamergate for according to them being pussies and call them gamergays.
That's not my argument. What I wrote up there is very clear. Obviously, not to social media intellectual spoilt brats like you who has no idea of the real world and human reality.
You are one sided, because you want to be, not because you are ignorant and in my book that's about worse than anythig you can come up with. You are not open to any dialogue, you have made up your mind about everything you post here and you just want to squabble and pour your exasperation about specific issues and to you if somebody doesn't think along that lines, they are stupid.
I'm putting you on ignore and I'll click and respond to your posts when I feel like it. Frankly, I don't care and don't feel that I should put my energy and time into some long post on...let's say Chomsky or other people you haven't even heard because there isn't a video about them in you tube to explain you the big gap between American celebrities showing up with comedians commenting on world issues and European intellectuals or philosophers; the mainstream perception of those issues in the US -'you're here' - and the huge difference between that; the fucking reality rest of the world llives as a result, so you could cherry pick your way through and tie them up to vlogger debates with snarky lines.
OK? Good.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 13, 2015, 05:28:53 AM
That's not my argument. What I wrote up there is very clear. Obviously, not to social media intellectual spoilt brats like you who has no idea of the real world and human reality.
You are one sided, because you want to be, not because you are ignorant and in my book that's about worse than anythig you can come up with. You are not open to any dialogue, you have made up your mind about everything you post here and you just want to squabble and pour your exasperation about specific issues and to you if somebody doesn't think along that lines, they are stupid.
I'm putting you on ignore and I'll click and respond to your posts when I feel like it. Frankly, I don't care and don't feel that I should put my energy and time into some long post on...let's say Chomsky or other people you haven't even heard because there isn't a video about them in you tube to explain you the big gap between American celebrities showing up with comedians commenting on world issues and European intellectuals or philosophers; the mainstream perception of those issues in the US -'you're here' - and the huge difference between that; the fucking reality rest of the world llives as a result, so you could cherry pick your way through and tie them up to vlogger debates with snarky lines.
OK? Good.
I'm one sided and ignorant right? When you have only taken 20 minutes to read a super biased article about gamergate and that makes you think you can tell me what gamergate is about? You make me laugh, I have been part of gamergate since it's start and been following it for over a year, and you think you can just say "hur dur it's a coordinated harassment campaign" when you do not even know shit about /baphomet/ the guys who their sole purpose is to dox, swat and harass people and have targeted anita, zoey and brianna wu. You do not know shit about this issue, get over it. NO matter how much you namedrop random intellectuals or jerk yourself over the inferiority of social media and american mainstream culture which has fuck all to do with this topic you absolute moron.
Enough...Fuck off. You got 5 times more attention than you deserved.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 13, 2015, 03:37:35 PM
Enough...Fuck off. You got 5 times more attention than you deserved.
The journalists completely slandered gamergate with shitty reporting. They rather be lazy and copy their peers or cash in the sensationalist narrative of victimhood.
http://observer.com/2015/10/blame-gamergates-bad-rep-on-smears-and-shoddy-journalism/
The Last Starfighter ... I mean ... last journalist was ... H L Mencken.
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. - H L Mencken