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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/09/23/ecuadors-got-talent-judges-scold-16-year-old-singer-for-being-an-atheist/
Ecuador’s Got Talent Judges Scold 16-Year-Old Singer for Being an Atheist
On Sunday night, during an episode of Ecuador’s Got Talent (similar to the U.S. version), 16-year-old Carolina Peña hoped her singing abilities would propel her to the next round of competition.
Instead of getting critiqued on her performance, though, the young atheist received multiple lectures on how she needed to believe in God.
Judge Maria Fernanda Rios: Do you believe in God?
Carolina Peña: No.
Judge Wendy Vera: Well, you should, honey, so he grants you the miracle [of winning the contest]!
Judge Rios: Without God, we don’t get anywhere. You think being a self-taught singer will make you reach the top, but it won’t. You know why? Because there are things that can’t be seen. That’s where God’s love enters. You can feel God. God can help you. God helps you be better.
…
Judge Paola FarÃas: I only want to know why you don’t believe in God. It’s my own curiosity. I’m not judging you.
Peña: It’s because God has not given me a reason to believe.
Judge FarÃas: So what do you believe? Where did we come from?
Peña: I believe we die and we go back to where we were before we were born.
Judge FarÃas: And where were we before we were born?
Peña: Before we were born, we were nothing.
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Judge Vera: I think that you’re still 16 years old. I believe that you have had a pretty good life so far. But there will come a time when you will suffer and the only thing that will help you get through it is the amazing love of God. It’s something you acquire when you are in a very difficult situation.
The final judge, Fernando Villarroel, told Carolina that he wouldn’t lecture her about faith since, with respect to his colleagues, “religion is one thing and artistic talent is another.†(You can see the full segment here.)
Despite the faith-based backlash, Carolina obtained the three votes needed to move on to the next round.
The Agnosticos-Ateos-Antireligiosos del Ecuador (Atheist Association of Ecuador) isn’t happy with the way the show handled that exchange. The group’s President, Gustavo La Mota, is demanding that Ecuavisa (the station producing the show) release the unedited version of the episode (which they’re required to do if asked) before deciding how to proceed. It could be used in court if the atheists want to claim religious discrimination.
Legally speaking, I’m not sure if that would get anywhere. But if Carolina doesn’t make it through after the next round, I guess it could be argued it had something to do with her non-belief and not her abilities.
Yeah I have seen that on fb.
Telling a 16 year old she'll suffer later in her life and then find god's love live on tv is religious abuse imho. Don't you dare calling me sensitive.
Religion invades every single aspect of life, whether it's appropriate or not, apparently. What's belief in God, or lack of same, got to do with whether or not someone can sing well? I hope a lot of people call the show to complain about this.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2015, 04:40:59 PM
Religion invades every single aspect of life, whether it's appropriate or not, apparently. What's belief in God, or lack of same, got to do with whether or not someone can sing well? I hope a lot of people call the show to complain about this.
Seeing that God created everything and is aware of all we do; he gave her the blessing of her voice. They were just trying to help the young girl. Not knowing there is a God can evolve into a very bad thing.
Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on October 09, 2015, 10:45:44 PM
Seeing that God created everything and is aware of all we do
What's a god?
Secretly a Warsie.
Quote from: popsthebuilder on October 09, 2015, 10:45:44 PM
Seeing that God created everything and is aware of all we do; he gave her the blessing of her voice. They were just trying to help the young girl. Not knowing there is a God can evolve into a very bad thing.
Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
Really?
Really? Dear Invisible Pink Unicorn Whom Created All That Is, I hope I'm being punked right now.
Quote from: invisibleandpink on October 09, 2015, 11:38:03 PM
Really? Really?
Dear Invisible Pink Unicorn Whom Created All That Is, I hope I'm being punked right now.
Only by yourself at the cost of your life.
Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
Yup. I'm totally being punked. This is a joke and you're the one joking. Thanks for the clarification. That was a good laugh, pal.
Haha.
Quote from: Solitary on October 07, 2015, 11:18:53 AM
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/09/23/ecuadors-got-talent-judges-scold-16-year-old-singer-for-being-an-atheist/
Ecuador’s Got Talent Judges Scold 16-Year-Old Singer for Being an Atheist
On Sunday night, during an episode of Ecuador’s Got Talent (similar to the U.S. version), 16-year-old Carolina Peña hoped her singing abilities would propel her to the next round of competition.
Instead of getting critiqued on her performance, though, the young atheist received multiple lectures on how she needed to believe in God.
Judge Maria Fernanda Rios: Do you believe in God?
Carolina Peña: No.
Judge Wendy Vera: Well, you should, honey, so he grants you the miracle [of winning the contest]!
Judge Rios: Without God, we don’t get anywhere. You think being a self-taught singer will make you reach the top, but it won’t. You know why? Because there are things that can’t be seen. That’s where God’s love enters. You can feel God. God can help you. God helps you be better.
…
Judge Paola FarÃas: I only want to know why you don’t believe in God. It’s my own curiosity. I’m not judging you.
Peña: It’s because God has not given me a reason to believe.
Judge FarÃas: So what do you believe? Where did we come from?
Peña: I believe we die and we go back to where we were before we were born.
Judge FarÃas: And where were we before we were born?
Peña: Before we were born, we were nothing.
…
Judge Vera: I think that you’re still 16 years old. I believe that you have had a pretty good life so far. But there will come a time when you will suffer and the only thing that will help you get through it is the amazing love of God. It’s something you acquire when you are in a very difficult situation.
The final judge, Fernando Villarroel, told Carolina that he wouldn’t lecture her about faith since, with respect to his colleagues, “religion is one thing and artistic talent is another.†(You can see the full segment here.)
Despite the faith-based backlash, Carolina obtained the three votes needed to move on to the next round.
The Agnosticos-Ateos-Antireligiosos del Ecuador (Atheist Association of Ecuador) isn’t happy with the way the show handled that exchange. The group’s President, Gustavo La Mota, is demanding that Ecuavisa (the station producing the show) release the unedited version of the episode (which they’re required to do if asked) before deciding how to proceed. It could be used in court if the atheists want to claim religious discrimination.
Legally speaking, I’m not sure if that would get anywhere. But if Carolina doesn’t make it through after the next round, I guess it could be argued it had something to do with her non-belief and not her abilities.
I am a believer, but I have a hypothesis of sorts that "God's grace" works regardless of your belief. It's that old cliche that "everything happens for a reason", which means she is talented for a reason, made it on TV for a reason, was ridiculed for a reason, defended her belief (with reason) for a reason, and was voted through for... you guessed it, a reason. As a non-religious believer, it seems this conversation needs to be had the world over, and it personally thrills me to see it happening in the public eye.
As a theist, your theology gets my sympathy in this case ;-) But people here are "theologically-challenged" at least if they are PC as well ;-))
Quote from: WanderingWonderer on October 10, 2015, 11:37:40 AM
I am a believer, but I have a hypothesis of sorts that "God's grace" works regardless of your belief. It's that old cliche that "everything happens for a reason", which means she is talented for a reason, made it on TV for a reason, was ridiculed for a reason, defended her belief (with reason) for a reason, and was voted through for... you guessed it, a reason. As a non-religious believer, it seems this conversation needs to be had the world over, and it personally thrills me to see it happening in the public eye.
It shouldn't be the lack of religion as much as the purification of religious contradictory doctrine.
Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
Quote from: WanderingWonderer on October 10, 2015, 11:37:40 AM
I am a believer, but I have a hypothesis of sorts that "God's grace" works regardless of your belief. It's that old cliche that "everything happens for a reason", which means she is talented for a reason, made it on TV for a reason, was ridiculed for a reason, defended her belief (with reason) for a reason, and was voted through for... you guessed it, a reason. As a non-religious believer, it seems this conversation needs to be had the world over, and it personally thrills me to see it happening in the public eye.
You want to know what I think the reason is? The reason is that it shows everyone why religion makes you a more odious person.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on October 10, 2015, 07:06:32 PM
You want to know what I think the reason is? The reason is that it shows everyone why religion makes you a more odious person.
Everything needs to be challenged, and religion is no exception, but so many people focus on what sucks to validate their perspective.
Quote from: WanderingWonderer on October 10, 2015, 07:50:49 PM
Everything needs to be challenged, and religion is no exception, but so many people focus on what sucks to validate their perspective.
Maybe that's because when you have a high percentage of people believing the same crap with the same lack of evidence and same fairy tale Bullshit they swing around, using that as their excuse to manipulate the sheeple, and persecute anyone they choose on the grounds of "their beliefs", then it becomes hard to offer any level of respect their point of view.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2015, 04:40:59 PM
Religion invades every single aspect of life, whether it's appropriate or not, apparently. What's belief in God, or lack of same, got to do with whether or not someone can sing well? I hope a lot of people call the show to complain about this.
I could have sworn this was the 21st century and yet religion keeps on rearing it's ugly head in places it has no business being. Are people regressing or something? They're all terrified of dying. They'll believe anything as long as it involves everlasting life. Hence, the frenzied hopes that the Rapture is around the corner..
Popsthebuilder - "purification of religious contradictory doctrine" ... an all powerful G-d is free to ignore logic or arithmetic.
1liesalot - entropy is constantly pulling us backward. That is why smart conservatives face backward, and claim they are making progress ;-)